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Posted: 1/4/2005 10:59:11 AM EDT
Like others here I was curious about the lack of Saiga rifles. Well I emailed Eaa and here's what I got.


WE ARE NOT IMPORTING IZHMASH ANY LONGER NOT SURE WHO WILL DO IT


Short and simple.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 2:25:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 10:03:06 PM EDT
Damn, who has a saiga 12 they wanna sell?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 10:04:04 PM EDT
Damn, I might have to run buy one now.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 5:14:33 AM EDT
Apparently Remington has bought EAA's import permits for the Baikal & Saiga lines but won't import the Saigas. You're looking at 8+ months for the Russians to find another importer/distributor and do the paperwork before we see any new shipments. Glad I've got my 3 converted Saiga-12s!
Tomac
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 10:23:37 PM EDT
Wait a bit...
You are saying that EAA signed over to Remington the rights for the Izhmash shotguns and the Saiga's, but that Remington won't be importing any Saiga's?

Hummm.... sounds fishy....
Gonna dig a bit deeper...
Hopefully I can get some kind of answer....

Standby... well, till after the 10th of Jan... Russian Christmas and New Years... from the old calendar.

Y-
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 6:02:31 AM EDT
Ok let me run this by ya'll.

One of the biggest names and mfgs. of firearms in the world with lots of cash approaches your company about a contract to give them exclusive rights to import your firearms to the USA. They have distribution contracts already with the 10 biggest retailers of firearms in the USA. One retailer that would carry your firearms has 3035 stores* in the USA alone. Your current importer has 0 distribution contracts with firearm retailers. Then they want to buy many times the number of firearms in the first shipment than your current USA importer has bought from you in the last 5 years.

This is what I think really happened.

*Wal-mart
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 6:10:32 AM EDT

Thats big....

Link Posted: 1/7/2005 2:34:08 PM EDT
This is FUBAR with no vaseline. I hope this is an internet hoax.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 4:19:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2005 4:20:32 PM EDT by mattld]

Originally Posted By JA545:
Ok let me run this by ya'll.

One of the biggest names and mfgs. of firearms in the world with lots of cash approaches your company about a contract to give them exclusive rights to import your firearms to the USA. They have distribution contracts already with the 10 biggest retailers of firearms in the USA. One retailer that would carry your firearms has 3035 stores* in the USA alone. Your current importer has 0 distribution contracts with firearm retailers. Then they want to buy many times the number of firearms in the first shipment than your current USA importer has bought from you in the last 5 years.

This is what I think really happened.

*Wal-mart


We'll see Remington Saiga's in Wal-Mart about the same time that a pig flies in hell, which, obviously, has frozen over...
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 5:36:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 12:17:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 12:20:17 AM EDT by JA545]
This is from the Spartan website that 7 models of O/U shotguns ,7 models of SS shotguns,and 3 models of single shot shotguns denoted by a * are,

*Spartan models available only at: Academy, Big 5, Bi Mart, Cabela’s, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Dunham’s, Gander
Mountain, GI Joe’s, Kmart, Sports Authority / Gart’s / TSA, & Walmart.

Doing a search I found this,
Big 5 has 309 stores
Bi-mart has 60
Academy has 80
Cabela's has 15
Dick's Sporting Goods has 169
Dunham's has 111
Sports Authority has 385
GI Joe's has 23

So the above add up to 1152 stores plus Wal-marts 3035 stores is 4190 stores. If every store only had two Spartan shotgun which you know they have many more. This would be more shotguns than EAA has imported since they have been in business.
I would have to say that the deal for Izhmash was not big but.......
BIG
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 4:46:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 9:36:33 PM EDT
talked to eaa they told me the same thing you guys heard. REMINGTON WILL NEVER SELL THE SAGIA RIFLES MY BE THE 30-06 4RD MAG JOB MAYBE I WOULD NOT HOLD MY BREATH TO LONG i have a 12 and a 308 19 and 16 '' job love them
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:33:26 AM EDT
Wal-mart sells the cheap synthetic stock Remington 7400 semi auto 30-06.
So it wouldn't make sense for Remington to import a cheaper priced Russian semi auto 30-06 to compete with the 7400 would it?

But would a Saiga 7.62x39mm with 5rd mag imported by Spartan with the Saiga name replaced by "Whitetail" on the receiver for $239 sell?
Would boxes of Remington 7.62x39mm ammo marked "7.62x39mm Whitetail" sell?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:15:50 PM EDT
I COULD see that 223 rem and 7.62x 39 white tail hunting rifles 5 rd flush mags and a black and camo. what is sad if wallmart sells them that is all those guys at work will talk about. same thang with the bakial ou shotguns. and yes my oklahoma wallmart does sell the mini 14
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 2:42:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By okguy91:
I COULD see that 223 rem and 7.62x 39 white tail hunting rifles 5 rd flush mags and a black and camo. what is sad if wallmart sells them that is all those guys at work will talk about. same thang with the bakial ou shotguns. and yes my oklahoma wallmart does sell the mini 14



In part because Oklahoma is more civilized than parts back east.

Jon
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 2:49:09 PM EDT
Nee d to do some research.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:44:04 PM EDT
I've had magazines on backorder for several weeks, order pending. I just e-mailed them and metioned the rumor of Saiga parts being discontinued. They responded and said it is true. Oh well, now its off to find another source.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 2:38:52 PM EDT
I've got a Saiga 12 on the way, but now the mags have dried up. Even the 5 rounders are nearly impossible to find.

Anyone know if the overseas sources for the 8 rounders at the $80 price will sell the 5 rounders at something more reasonable?
Link Posted: 1/14/2005 3:49:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2005 3:51:32 AM EDT by jnewt]
Link Posted: 1/14/2005 4:05:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeepster:
I've got a Saiga 12 on the way, but now the mags have dried up. Even the 5 rounders are nearly impossible to find.

Anyone know if the overseas sources for the 8 rounders at the $80 price will sell the 5 rounders at something more reasonable?



This is currently the only source for Saiga-12 mags that I know of:
www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_magazines.htm
Tomac
PS- They are taking backorders...
Link Posted: 1/14/2005 12:33:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomac:

Originally Posted By Jeepster:
I've got a Saiga 12 on the way, but now the mags have dried up. Even the 5 rounders are nearly impossible to find.

Anyone know if the overseas sources for the 8 rounders at the $80 price will sell the 5 rounders at something more reasonable?



This is currently the only source for Saiga-12 mags that I know of:
www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_magazines.htm
Tomac
PS- They are taking backorders...



Thanks. I sent them an e-mail asking if they would consider stocking the 5-rounders. I still choke on the $70 price of the 8-rounders. If they can sell a 5-rounder for $30 +F&H they could probably sell a bunch to people in the US until supply is reestablished.

Here's hoping...
Link Posted: 1/19/2005 10:31:08 PM EDT
So.... I have put off getting a saiga 12. I was thinking of going to a gun show near me and trying to find one NIB. If it takes me about 3 months or so to save up, what would the going rate be if no more are coming in? Crap I hope I find some back water redneck that has no idea whats going on. Anymore than $350 for one and it won't be worth it, sence I'll still need over $400 to have it re-made "right".
Link Posted: 1/20/2005 2:00:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ExtraZero8:
So.... I have put off getting a saiga 12. I was thinking of going to a gun show near me and trying to find one NIB. If it takes me about 3 months or so to save up, what would the going rate be if no more are coming in? Crap I hope I find some back water redneck that has no idea whats going on. Anymore than $350 for one and it won't be worth it, sence I'll still need over $400 to have it re-made "right".



I picked one up last week for $285, $229 from CDNN and the rest MI sales tax and the fee to my FFL. Really fun shooter, put my PK-AV red dot on in and put 25 2 3/4 Magnum slugs. Recoil is surprisingly light, no way I'd fire 25 Mag slugs in a sitting with an 870. A cool shotgun.

Now if I can only find some mags...
Link Posted: 1/29/2005 10:13:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2005 10:15:00 AM EDT by fook]
New importer:

Russian American Armory Corporation
pres. Homer vanFleet
3038 Breckenridge Ln.
Suite 204
Louisville, KY 40220
502 499 0852

Info is from Izhmash.
Link Posted: 1/29/2005 2:20:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/4/2005 4:59:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MRW:
Louiville huh?

ROAD TRIP!

This is good news. The Saigas are too hot of a seller for them to be "homeless"



So, I understand that we're not in crunch mode after all for Saiga's? Was getting lined up to get a .308 and starting to wonder if I had waited too long.

wganz

Link Posted: 3/4/2005 5:02:13 PM EDT
I dunno! I saw a Baikal shotgun with a Remington logo at Gander Mountain this evening.
Link Posted: 4/6/2005 2:29:01 PM EDT
Anyone hear anything about when these are gonna hit the market, price, etc?
Link Posted: 4/10/2005 2:47:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2005 2:55:08 AM EDT by havoc1]

Originally Posted By JA545:
This is from the Spartan website that 7 models of O/U shotguns ,7 models of SS shotguns,and 3 models of single shot shotguns denoted by a * are,

*Spartan models available only at: Academy, Big 5, Bi Mart, Cabela’s, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Dunham’s, Gander
Mountain, GI Joe’s, Kmart, Sports Authority / Gart’s / TSA, & Walmart.

Doing a search I found this,
Big 5 has 309 stores
Bi-mart has 60
Academy has 80
Cabela's has 15
Dick's Sporting Goods has 169
Dunham's has 111
Sports Authority has 385
GI Joe's has 23

So the above add up to 1152 stores plus Wal-marts 3035 stores is 4190 stores. If every store only had two Spartan shotgun which you know they have many more. This would be more shotguns than EAA has imported since they have been in business.
I would have to say that the deal for Izhmash was not big but.......
BIG



All of the O/U and S/S shotguns, etc. are made by Baikal, not Izmash. Barring unusual import/export regulations that would require Remington to make some sort of deal, it seems odd that they would purchase both lines if they don't plan on importing one of them. Does anyone know for sure that Remingtion did actually purchase the rights for the Saigas as well?
Link Posted: 6/18/2005 5:15:35 AM EDT
So where do we stand on buying new imports? or still no dice?
Link Posted: 6/20/2005 6:41:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fook:
New importer:

Russian American Armory Corporation
pres. Homer vanFleet
3038 Breckenridge Ln.
Suite 204
Louisville, KY 40220
502 499 0852

Info is from Izhmash.



I called them up today and spoke to someone for a short while. The lady on the other end said they are expecting their first shipment around "late August" and from there will be working with distrubuters and dealers and what not to disseminate the products. I asked about mags and she said they will also be importing "accessories". At the moment, they are taking names and numbers of interested parties to see where people are and what they want.
Also, the number above is for "vanFleet Enterprises" she said, which is affliated with RAAC. The actual number is 812 752 2894
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 10:07:40 PM EDT
Hey,

I am just now getting into AKs and I was wondering if there is any new information on the SAIGA importation ?

It is mid August now, just wondering if anyone has heard anything yet

I'd like to get a nice new SAIGA converted one of these days... after my Polish kit.

It seems like AKs are some kind of disease.... to the likes that I've never seen before

Is there an "AK" patch out there somewhere ? I'd like to nip this addicting hobby in the bud before it gets too expensive

Anyway, back to the topic.... If you fellas have any news let me know.

Thanks
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 2:59:18 AM EDT
Don't take my word for this but I own a Saiga 7.62x39 and I was told Remington bought Izhmash and no more Saigas are going to be produced, as well as the new BATFE importation ban in July.

Perhaps I won't be shooting my Saiga anymore.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 7:46:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 2:20:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -RotorDemon-:
Don't take my word for this but I own a Saiga 7.62x39 and I was told Remington bought Izhmash and no more Saigas are going to be produced, as well as the new BATFE importation ban in July.

Perhaps I won't be shooting my Saiga anymore.



Not a true statement. Remingtom merely has the rights to selll a specific line of firearms. I spoke to the nice Lady at RAA and she said that the first shipment of guns should be clearing customs by late October. They will be importing many more brand lines besides the Saiga. Our favorite Saigas will definitely be coming back soon, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:30:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:37:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 5:21:22 PM EDT by Ky_Bob]

Originally Posted By Hrothgar:

Originally Posted By fook:
New importer:

Russian American Armory Corporation
pres. Homer vanFleet
3038 Breckenridge Ln.
Suite 204
Louisville, KY 40220
502 499 0852

Info is from Izhmash.



I called them up today and spoke to someone for a short while. The lady on the other end said they are expecting their first shipment around "late August" and from there will be working with distributors and dealers and what not to disseminate the products. I asked about mags and she said they will also be importing "accessories". At the moment, they are taking names and numbers of interested parties to see where people are and what they want.
Also, the number above is for "vanFleet Enterprises" she said, which is affiliated with RAAC. The actual number is 812 752 2894



This is strange. I went by this address and could not find it. If were a correct address it would be wedged between a Kroger grocery store and a card shop. I live just up the street from this address. I guess they get the mail stopped at the post office and go pick it up every day. We do that at my work as well.

The 812 area code is southern Indiana. I wonder where they really are?!?

Bob

ETA: I am guessing road trips would be a waste of time as there is no showroom as of yet.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:55:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 9:59:03 AM EDT by advntrjnky]
the address i saw on their website said Indiana.

edit: 677 South Cardinal Lane
Scottsburg, IN 47170
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:03:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:16:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
Yes the prices will be higher than before but not out of control.



The price was one of the attractive things about the Saigas. Are they costing more to import now, or are the importers/distributors just anticipating that the market will bear a higher price from the start?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:15:40 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 10/28/2005 8:46:15 AM EDT
Well it's late october!

Any updates?

I'd really like a Saiga 12 or 20 and a stack of mags.
Link Posted: 11/4/2005 11:12:54 AM EDT
Russian American Armory Company website is active.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:47:04 PM EDT
According to Saiga-12.com the boat has arrived. RAAC says firearms will ship to distributors NLT 16JAN06. Hoorj.
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 5:45:05 PM EDT
I called an RAA's distributor today, and he told me they were expecting a shipment any day. He also said the price of the .223 Saiga with the 16 inch barrel would run $289.

Mike
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:05:11 PM EDT
They have cleared customs and are on their way to the importer. We will have them the week of the 23rd. And, we will be offering converted Saigas done by Tromix.

So much for Veprs being the best Russian AK in town!
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