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Posted: 1/4/2005 2:25:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2005 10:03:06 PM EDT
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Damn, who has a saiga 12 they wanna sell?
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Posted: 1/4/2005 10:04:04 PM EDT
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Damn, I might have to run buy one now.
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Posted: 1/5/2005 5:14:33 AM EDT
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Apparently Remington has bought EAA's import permits for the Baikal & Saiga lines but won't import the Saigas. You're looking at 8+ months for the Russians to find another importer/distributor and do the paperwork before we see any new shipments. Glad I've got my 3 converted Saiga-12s!
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Posted: 1/5/2005 10:23:37 PM EDT
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Wait a bit...
You are saying that EAA signed over to Remington the rights for the Izhmash shotguns and the Saiga's, but that Remington won't be importing any Saiga's? Hummm.... sounds fishy.... Gonna dig a bit deeper... Hopefully I can get some kind of answer.... Standby... well, till after the 10th of Jan... Russian Christmas and New Years... from the old calendar. Y- |
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Posted: 1/7/2005 6:02:31 AM EDT
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Ok let me run this by ya'll.
One of the biggest names and mfgs. of firearms in the world with lots of cash approaches your company about a contract to give them exclusive rights to import your firearms to the USA. They have distribution contracts already with the 10 biggest retailers of firearms in the USA. One retailer that would carry your firearms has 3035 stores* in the USA alone. Your current importer has 0 distribution contracts with firearm retailers. Then they want to buy many times the number of firearms in the first shipment than your current USA importer has bought from you in the last 5 years. This is what I think really happened. *Wal-mart |
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Posted: 1/7/2005 6:10:32 AM EDT
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 Thats big.... |
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Posted: 1/7/2005 2:34:08 PM EDT
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This is FUBAR with no vaseline. I hope this is an internet hoax.
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Posted: 1/7/2005 4:19:48 PM EDT
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We'll see Remington Saiga's in Wal-Mart about the same time that a pig flies in hell, which, obviously, has frozen over... |
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Posted: 1/7/2005 5:36:33 PM EDT
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.lol... +1  Not sure how this is all going to play out but I ordered a 12 this AM for my own stash just in case this crap is true. I had been wanting one anyway...lol...
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Posted: 1/8/2005 12:17:28 AM EDT
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This is from the Spartan website that 7 models of O/U shotguns ,7 models of SS shotguns,and 3 models of single shot shotguns denoted by a * are,
*Spartan models available only at: Academy, Big 5, Bi Mart, Cabela’s, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Dunham’s, Gander Mountain, GI Joe’s, Kmart, Sports Authority / Gart’s / TSA, & Walmart. Doing a search I found this, Big 5 has 309 stores Bi-mart has 60 Academy has 80 Cabela's has 15 Dick's Sporting Goods has 169 Dunham's has 111 Sports Authority has 385 GI Joe's has 23 So the above add up to 1152 stores plus Wal-marts 3035 stores is 4190 stores. If every store only had two Spartan shotgun which you know they have many more. This would be more shotguns than EAA has imported since they have been in business. I would have to say that the deal for Izhmash was not big but.......  BIG
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:46:18 PM EDT
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well, I'll have to follow this thread too!
Wal-Mart and the other large retailers have shied away from selling military style rifles, such as ARs, M1As, and the like, so this would be a policy change for them. The Mini-14 is about as military as they get, and some stores won't even carry that. But hey, it would be a very good thing for saigas to show up at the local wally-world! |
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Posted: 1/8/2005 9:36:33 PM EDT
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talked to eaa they told me the same thing you guys heard. REMINGTON WILL NEVER SELL THE SAGIA RIFLES MY BE THE 30-06 4RD MAG JOB MAYBE I WOULD NOT HOLD MY BREATH TO LONG i have a 12 and a 308 19 and 16 '' job love them
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Posted: 1/9/2005 5:33:26 AM EDT
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Wal-mart sells the cheap synthetic stock Remington 7400 semi auto 30-06.
So it wouldn't make sense for Remington to import a cheaper priced Russian semi auto 30-06 to compete with the 7400 would it? But would a Saiga 7.62x39mm with 5rd mag imported by Spartan with the Saiga name replaced by "Whitetail" on the receiver for $239 sell? Would boxes of Remington 7.62x39mm ammo marked "7.62x39mm Whitetail" sell? |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 12:15:50 PM EDT
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I COULD see that 223 rem and 7.62x 39 white tail hunting rifles 5 rd flush mags and a black and camo. what is sad if wallmart sells them that is all those guys at work will talk about. same thang with the bakial ou shotguns. and yes my oklahoma wallmart does sell the mini 14
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Posted: 1/9/2005 2:42:58 PM EDT
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In part because Oklahoma is more civilized than parts back east. Jon |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 2:49:09 PM EDT
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Nee d to do some research.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:44:04 PM EDT
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I've had magazines on backorder for several weeks, order pending. I just e-mailed them and metioned the rumor of Saiga parts being discontinued. They responded and said it is true. Oh well, now its off to find another source.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 2:38:52 PM EDT
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I've got a Saiga 12 on the way, but now the mags have dried up. Even the 5 rounders are nearly impossible to find.
Anyone know if the overseas sources for the 8 rounders at the $80 price will sell the 5 rounders at something more reasonable? |
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Posted: 1/14/2005 3:49:17 AM EDT
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Not sure but might check here for the 5rd mags www.keepshooting.com/saiga12mag.htm |
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Posted: 1/14/2005 4:05:21 AM EDT
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This is currently the only source for Saiga-12 mags that I know of: www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_magazines.htm Tomac PS- They are taking backorders... |
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Posted: 1/14/2005 12:33:39 PM EDT
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Thanks. I sent them an e-mail asking if they would consider stocking the 5-rounders. I still choke on the $70 price of the 8-rounders. If they can sell a 5-rounder for $30 +F&H they could probably sell a bunch to people in the US until supply is reestablished. Here's hoping... |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 10:31:08 PM EDT
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So.... I have put off getting a saiga 12. I was thinking of going to a gun show near me and trying to find one NIB. If it takes me about 3 months or so to save up, what would the going rate be if no more are coming in? Crap I hope I find some back water redneck that has no idea whats going on. Anymore than $350 for one and it won't be worth it, sence I'll still need over $400 to have it re-made "right".
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Posted: 1/20/2005 2:00:24 AM EDT
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I picked one up last week for $285, $229 from CDNN and the rest MI sales tax and the fee to my FFL. Really fun shooter, put my PK-AV red dot on in and put 25 2 3/4 Magnum slugs. Recoil is surprisingly light, no way I'd fire 25 Mag slugs in a sitting with an 870. A cool shotgun. Now if I can only find some mags... |
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Posted: 1/29/2005 10:13:41 AM EDT
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New importer:
Russian American Armory Corporation pres. Homer vanFleet 3038 Breckenridge Ln. Suite 204 Louisville, KY 40220 502 499 0852 Info is from Izhmash. |
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Posted: 1/29/2005 2:20:34 PM EDT
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Louiville huh?
ROAD TRIP! This is good news. The Saigas are too hot of a seller for them to be "homeless" |
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Posted: 3/4/2005 4:59:02 PM EDT
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So, I understand that we're not in crunch mode after all for Saiga's? Was getting lined up to get a .308 and starting to wonder if I had waited too long. wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 3/4/2005 5:02:13 PM EDT
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I dunno! I saw a Baikal shotgun with a Remington logo at Gander Mountain this evening.
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Posted: 4/6/2005 2:29:01 PM EDT
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Anyone hear anything about when these are gonna hit the market, price, etc?
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Posted: 4/10/2005 2:47:07 AM EDT
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All of the O/U and S/S shotguns, etc. are made by Baikal, not Izmash. Barring unusual import/export regulations that would require Remington to make some sort of deal, it seems odd that they would purchase both lines if they don't plan on importing one of them. Does anyone know for sure that Remingtion did actually purchase the rights for the Saigas as well? |
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Posted: 6/18/2005 5:15:35 AM EDT
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So where do we stand on buying new imports? or still no dice?
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Posted: 6/20/2005 6:41:08 AM EDT
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I called them up today and spoke to someone for a short while. The lady on the other end said they are expecting their first shipment around "late August" and from there will be working with distrubuters and dealers and what not to disseminate the products. I asked about mags and she said they will also be importing "accessories". At the moment, they are taking names and numbers of interested parties to see where people are and what they want. Also, the number above is for "vanFleet Enterprises" she said, which is affliated with RAAC. The actual number is 812 752 2894 |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:07:40 PM EDT
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Hey,
I am just now getting into AKs and I was wondering if there is any new information on the SAIGA importation ? It is mid August now, just wondering if anyone has heard anything yet  I'd like to get a nice new SAIGA converted one of these days... after my Polish kit. It seems like AKs are some kind of disease.... to the likes that I've never seen before  Is there an "AK" patch out there somewhere ? I'd like to nip this addicting hobby in the bud before it gets too expensive  Anyway, back to the topic.... If you fellas have any news let me know. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:59:18 AM EDT
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Don't take my word for this but I own a Saiga 7.62x39 and I was told Remington bought Izhmash and no more Saigas are going to be produced, as well as the new BATFE importation ban in July.
Perhaps I won't be shooting my Saiga anymore. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:46:58 AM EDT
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Saigas are exempt from the importation ban because they never fit the criteria of the 89 ban, which is what the new restrictions are based on.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 2:20:29 PM EDT
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Not a true statement. Remingtom merely has the rights to selll a specific line of firearms. I spoke to the nice Lady at RAA and she said that the first shipment of guns should be clearing customs by late October. They will be importing many more brand lines besides the Saiga. Our favorite Saigas will definitely be coming back soon, beyond any reasonable doubt. |
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Posted: 9/18/2005 7:30:56 AM EDT
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FYI , We ,Atlantic Firearms,llc will be distributors for the Saiga /RRA line of firearms, we expect the first limited shipments to arrive in late Oct. Yes the prices will be higher than before but not out of control. The great news is the new importer has a fair amount of these firearms scheduled for importation and is only concentrating on the importation of this product line. Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc
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Posted: 9/18/2005 7:37:59 AM EDT
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This is strange. I went by this address and could not find it. If were a correct address it would be wedged between a Kroger grocery store and a card shop. I live just up the street from this address. I guess they get the mail stopped at the post office and go pick it up every day. We do that at my work as well. The 812 area code is southern Indiana. I wonder where they really are?!? Bob ETA: I am guessing road trips would be a waste of time as there is no showroom as of yet. |
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Posted: 9/18/2005 9:55:56 AM EDT
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the address i saw on their website said Indiana.
edit: 677 South Cardinal Lane Scottsburg, IN 47170 |
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Posted: 9/18/2005 12:03:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2005 12:16:52 PM EDT
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The price was one of the attractive things about the Saigas. Are they costing more to import now, or are the importers/distributors just anticipating that the market will bear a higher price from the start? |
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Posted: 9/18/2005 5:15:40 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 10/28/2005 8:46:15 AM EDT
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Well it's late october!
Any updates? I'd really like a Saiga 12 or 20 and a stack of mags. 
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Posted: 11/4/2005 11:12:54 AM EDT
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Russian American Armory Company website is active.
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Posted: 12/30/2005 2:47:04 PM EDT
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According to Saiga-12.com the boat has arrived. RAAC says firearms will ship to distributors NLT 16JAN06. Hoorj.
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Posted: 1/9/2006 5:45:05 PM EDT
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I called an RAA's distributor today, and he told me they were expecting a shipment any day. He also said the price of the .223 Saiga with the 16 inch barrel would run $289.
Mike
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Posted: 1/10/2006 8:05:11 PM EDT
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They have cleared customs and are on their way to the importer. We will have them the week of the 23rd. And, we will be offering converted Saigas done by Tromix.
So much for Veprs being the best Russian AK in town! |
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