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Quoted: Saigas are wonderful AK variants. Take your dremel and convert it to pistol grip. I'm always amazed that some people want to suggest that a true Russian made AK variant is somehow substandard.
Is the Saiga receiver milled? Nope. There's a reason the Russians went away from milled receivers to stamped ones: less weight with no loss in function. Unless you plan on intentionally running over your AK with a tank, I don't see how the milled vs. stamped receiver is even an issue.
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Hold up, I wasnt suggesting that Saiga's are crap, but if your trying to say that their of the same quality as a VEPR or ARSENAL then you are smoking some good stuff While I havent shot a Saiga I have nonetheless stripped a new one down and looked at it, it is definitely nice, but I was noewhere impressed as I was when looking at and firing botha VEPR and an Arsenal. I got a VEPR on the way and hopefully someday will have an Arsenal. If a person is looking for a straight up plinker, then basically any AK will serve this purpose. Milled is a damn good way to go for your SHTF, WCS, EOTW rifle, its more durable and that does matter and is part of the issue.
Also, the Russians went with stamped because its easier and cheaper to make then a milled receiver. Yes, stamped receivers are still great, I know I own 2 AKs built on stamped receivers. However, milled and RPK type receivers are just all around better.
Lastly, I was talking about out of the box, not modified. So a Saiga is in fact a sporter AK, what you do with it after that is different. I can buy a low cap WASR-10, swap out the receiver for an Armory 1.6mm, get newer/better barrel and parts, with better furniture and now have something other then a WASR-10 Low Cap.
Didnt mean to offend any Saiga owners , just wanted to say that they arent the top tier of AK's.
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Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
For goodness sakes, I know very, very well that a Saiga is a sporterized AK. I own one. If Ligament was only concerned with AK's of the same configuration, he wouldn't have asked about Saigas.
It just seems like lately the AK-47 side of Arfcom is suffering almost as much snobbery as the AR side.
I tire of discussions where someone says, "how do you like xyz AK." Reply, "it's ok, but
my AK has an RPK receiver." Another replies, "oh yeah, well
mine has a milled receiver, so yours must not be in the same league as mine."
Snobs have tried to exclude the Saiga by injecting the "out of the box" phrase. Let us consider a few things: A VEPR is going to set you back somewhere around $550 to $600. The Arsenal is going to set you back $650+.
I bought my Saiga for $225. Throw in the G2 trigger group, nice ergonomic grip, buttstock, and even the Robinson Armament mag followers and I'm still only out a total of about $350! So let's say that fit and function aren't enough, it needs to have the finish redone. Let's have the barrel threaded too. I am still easily under $450 for a quality AK that is going to function just as well as the other two rifles. The Saiga is looking awefully relevant in this discussion after all.