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Posted: 12/29/2005 7:22:01 PM EDT

I've got a response from the Senator about the letter I wrote her asking about and arguing for my gun rights. I'll post it tomorrow once I get it scanned. It's kinda funny.

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Posted: 12/29/2005 7:43:35 PM EDT

[#1]

Tag - This ought to be good, LOL ...

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:00:05 PM EDT

[#2]

I would like to read it.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:36:33 PM EDT

[#3]

Probably going to be the same vague letter that all of the anti's send out saying that they're doing it for the children and to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of criminals...

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:37:12 PM EDT

[#4]

oh soo tagged

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:40:26 PM EDT

[#5]

Tag!

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:43:41 PM EDT

[#6]

Tag

I could use a good laugh!

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:47:00 PM EDT

[#7]

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:47:52 PM EDT

[#8]

This should be good.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:59:37 PM EDT

[#9]

Tag-o-matic

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:13:16 PM EDT

[#10]

My monitor and keyboard is covered in plastic wrap to prevent damage from spewing my coffee all over it...

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:14:44 PM EDT

[#11]

subscribed (poor man's tag)

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:15:03 PM EDT

[#12]

This is gonna be good......

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:32:43 PM EDT

[#13]

tag

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:43:19 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
subscribed (poor man's tag)

I think you e-mail box may be full by morning!

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:44:51 PM EDT

[#15]

taggage

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:51:13 PM EDT

[#16]

tag

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:52:40 PM EDT

[#17]

Tag. this should be good.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:32:18 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
subscribed (poor man's tag)

Dittooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:02:33 PM EDT

[#19]

Never used this one till now (TAG)

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:12:30 PM EDT

[#20]

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:25:54 PM EDT

[#21]

Why not? Tag.

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:26:44 PM EDT

[#22]

tag

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:57:09 PM EDT

[#23]

tag

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:58:02 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
tag

Posted: 12/30/2005 12:05:17 AM EDT

[#25]

I wonder if it's aything like the one I received from her over a year ago. The one I received from her kept saying I this and I that and not once did she say she it because the people who she represents wanted it.

Posted: 12/30/2005 2:53:00 AM EDT

[#26]

Reads like that letter was written by one of her lawyer flunkies...I doubt there really are any thoughts going on in that ugly head of hers...that letter certainly does nothing to outline her own opinion or why she votes the way she does. The gun debate has been going on since they banned machine guns...I'm sure in that ammount of time if you dig enough you will find anti-gun decisions.....dig a little more, and you will eventually find that most of those decisions were brought on by overzealous anti-gun activists, and politicians who gave them money and clout to pay for lawyers to argue these points in a court of law...If these people would quit meddeling with the constitution and laws of this country, there would be virtually no gun control laws on the books...which in my opinion is what was originally intended. This bitch pisses me off!

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:07:40 AM EDT

[#27]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like some of those decisions she sited go directly against banning military style weapons. I mean if they are for militia use shouldn't they be military style? Least wise thats how I read it. Or am I way off here?

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:43:13 AM EDT

[#28]

Dear Senator Feinstein,

Blow me.

Sincerely,

Avid Second Amendment Support

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:53:03 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Dear Senator Feinstein,

Blow me.

Sincerely,

Avid Second Amendment Support

Ditto.

Posted: 12/30/2005 4:17:32 AM EDT

[#30]

This is the Frankenstein that turned her gun in as Major....her and one other. the same one that had a ouple of other handguns fopr self-protection because she was afraid of being shot. The same person, who later turned up as having a registered handgun. The same person, that after the press found out about her handgun, became a deputy of some sort so that she would not have to make it public she was still packing a handgun......seems typical for a politician to me. She ifnored that whole"people" thing after the comma and what teh Supreme Courst usually has to say about that. The court will not address a 2nd case these days because of how they'd have to rule on it - ir should rule on it.

She seems to have implied what others have. If Miller had just had a military issue weapon, he would have won - implying it's ok if we have M-16's.....

Posted: 12/30/2005 4:28:00 AM EDT

[#31]

Don't worry Mrs. Feinswein.......I'm getting everything I will ever need from Sept 13 2004 to January 20 2009.....so your view is kinda pointless...bitch

Posted: 12/30/2005 4:41:53 AM EDT

[#32]

It's just a stupid "form" letter ...

Posted: 12/30/2005 4:47:10 AM EDT

[#33]

I hate that bitch more than words can express.

Fucking Nazi

Posted: 12/30/2005 4:59:25 AM EDT

[#34]

I don't understand how the anti's can keep refering to the national guard when they discuss the intent of the 2nd amendment. The national guard didn't even exist until many years after the constitution and the bill of rights was written.
When the constitution was written, "the people" regularly assembled for "militia" practice. The founding fathers were opposed to a standing army and intended for "the people" to have the capability to protect themselves and their families. Hence, the need for personal firearms.
I don't think any of this is a secret. Some people have just chosen to ignore the facts of history.

Posted: 12/30/2005 5:05:00 AM EDT

[#35]

Dear Senator Feinstein,

Blow him. Don't touch mine!

Sincerely,

Avid Second Amendment Support

Posted: 12/30/2005 5:21:33 AM EDT

[#36]

For those who don't know the history on Miller, here it is. Miller was charged with having a sawed off shotgun while he was running moonshine. The government lost and appealed. Miller (and his attorney) never showed up at the appeal so the court had to decide based solely on the government's argument that a sawed off shotgun was not suitable for use by the militia, i.e. not used by the military, and therefore it was not protected by the 2nd Amendment. Without any opposition, the court granted the appeal. Never mind the fact that the .gov lied as sawed off shotguns had been used in the trenches very effectively during WWI and had also been used by the Marines in Haiti.

Miller is a case which has been cited by the left as a case that allows them to limit guns based on the "Militia" restriction. Then they turn 180 degrees and say that people shouldn't have military style weapons and sporting arms are ok, nevermind the fact that Miller specifically reinforces the protection to military use type firearms only.

She also neglects to discuss the meaning of "well regulated militia" in the language of the time. "Regulated" in 1781 had the meaning of well equipped and organized, not our conception of rules and regulations controlling the militia. The idea was that the militia, i.e. the people, would have arms that were suitable for military use.

Finally, she also ignores the recent decision by the Justice Department that after an exhaustive study and research of the writer's intent, the 2nd Amendment clearly was intended to protect the rights of individual citizens to own firearms and the militia was the unorganized militia, not the National Guard.

Posted: 12/30/2005 5:38:35 AM EDT

[#37]

Rather than insult her I think we could collectively debunk some of her assertions in this letter. Like in the Miller case: The Strange Case of United States v. Miller In short, the USSC ruled that the defense failed to prove that a sawed off shotgun was useful firearm to the militia. Something that was easily concluded for the justices since Miller himself was murdered and no argument was offered in his defense since he nor his counsel showed up for Court.

No individual right? The term "the people" is found in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 9th, and 10th Amendments with the 10th referring to "the people" separately from "the states" in the same sentence to avoid confusing the two. How can we assume that "the right of the people" can mean anything else than an individual right?

Posted: 12/30/2005 5:49:17 AM EDT

[#38]

........but, but, but you arent in the National Guard.............Bitch!

Posted: 12/30/2005 7:10:45 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Dear Senator Feinstein,

Blow me.

Sincerely,

Avid Second Amendment Support

DON"T LET HER TOUCH IT!!! It could fall off!

Posted: 12/30/2005 7:16:16 AM EDT

[#40]

Feinstein is one of the greatest con artists in Washington DC...and that's saying something!

Posted: 12/30/2005 7:27:47 AM EDT

[#41]

that's very interesting about Miller, i didn't know that. those are good points about having military style arms.

i've found the best way to shut up the antis on this is say "why is the bill of rights a list of 9 rights reserved for the People and one (the second one) that says we can have a national guard?" and further that the US Code says all males between ~17 and 55 are members of the unorganized militia anyway.

Posted: 12/30/2005 7:52:05 AM EDT

[#42]

Dear Senator Feinstien,

You are a dirty socialist cunt.

Forefathers of the United States.

Posted: 12/30/2005 7:58:01 AM EDT

[#43]

www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz38.html

Hey Dianne! STFU you whore...

Posted: 12/30/2005 8:01:44 AM EDT

[#44]

By her reaoning I shoudl be able to own anything that has an "M" designation in the military. I want my f**king bazooa, bitch!

Posted: 12/30/2005 8:55:44 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
By her reaoning I shoudl be able to own anything that has an "M" designation in the military. I want my f**king bazooa, bitch!

I'll be taking my m1 and m109 now........

I still can't figure out why the antis quote the miller case so much. The case is more in favor of us then the antis?

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:37:43 PM EDT

[#46]

We need a well versed member to write a letter ,on behalf of the board, calling her on her BS and signed something to the exent of,"Sincerely, (writer's name) and the members of ak47.net" True, it won't change her opinion at all but it will let her know that some of us know what we are talking about and can use logic (other than circular), if she were to actually read it that is.

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:49:27 PM EDT

[#47]

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the DOJ define "a well regulated militia" as any single individual? I may be grossly wrong but i could have sworn i read that somewhere.

Posted: 12/30/2005 3:54:31 PM EDT

[#48]

The National Guard is MUCH newer than the militia mentioned in the 2nd.

If I feel so motivated, I may generate a line-by-line rebuttal of EVERYTHING that form letter said.

It wouldn't be difficult but would take them some time.

Feinstein clearly subscribes to the school of thought "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance,
baffle them with bullshit.".

CJ