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Posted: 12/19/2003 5:55:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2003 5:57:27 AM EDT by obershutze916]


Looky what he found, a Rashid. I bet he doesn't even know what it is.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 5:59:57 AM EDT
My dad picked up one of those quite awhile back...I may have to beat him out of it next time I go home for a visit.....

KF
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 6:05:33 AM EDT
I have one as well. It is a VERY nice shooting rifle once you figure out the action. It is the same as the Hakim. I would be dead in combat before I got the rifle reloaded.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 9:30:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2003 9:43:34 AM EDT by krinkfreak]
Rashid Carbine was an "improved" Hakim in 7.63x39 and was used by Egypt during the period of retooling for the AK Rifle Series (1959-1960). It can be said the rifle was, for Egypt, the precursor to the AK series.



Link Posted: 12/19/2003 9:30:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2003 9:32:09 AM EDT by Corporal_Chaos]
Got a clearer picture of this rifle (type of rifle) that you can post or a link to a clearer picture?

**EDIT**
Eh, nevermind, Krink got it! Thanks man! Got any background on this rifle?
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 9:39:13 AM EDT
Egypt became nominally independent of British rule in 1922. It had a king and an Army. The Army was armed with Remington Rolling Block Rifles in .43 Egyptian, Martini-Henry 577/.450 Peabody type rifles and carbines and conversions of these Martinis to .303 British, but the principal rifle was the .303 No.3 Mk1 and Mk1* Enfield. Britain remain in control with Imperial Troops dominating the country.
In 1936 a Treaty was signed requiring all British Empire troops and other officials to retire into the Suez Canal Zone. At the outbreak of WW2 British forces assumed virtual control of the entire country, which while technically neutral, was at the service of the British Empire.

There was great dissatisfaction within the Egyptian Army at this puppet status imposed on their country. A revolutionary movement began to fester. In the postwar period King Farouk, a gun collector and weapons expert sat upon the throne. He armed his body guards with Colt .45ACP pistols which were specially marked, and sold off as surplus in the late 50's and are very desirable.

In 1948 the State of Israel was founded with the Soviet Union and the USA playing a prominent role in the UN and the real world supporting this move. This was to have profound effect on later events. The Arab states, seeing this move as an attack on the concept of the "Arab Nation", began a war with Israel to reclaim the land allocated in Palestine to the State of Israel.

The Soviet Union authorized the sale by Czechoslovakia of most of the armament that made its victory in the 1948 War possible. This included small arms such as the Kar. 98K Mauser and MG34 GPMG as well as aircraft such as the BF109 Messerschmidt fighters still in production in Czechoslovakia.

Egypt fought the war with .303 Enfield and 98k surplus Mausers bought on the world market, along with 8mm Carcani used for training purposes.

In 1949 after the cease fire FN in Belgian began supplying 7.92x57 Mauser carbines to Egypt and in 1951 SAFN 7.92x57mm Model 49 rifles with the Farouk crest. Farouk was overthrown in a 1951 coup by the Army after Egypt renounced the 1936 Treaty and conflicts began between rioters and British troops in the Canal Zone.

A junta led by Col. Naguib ruled the country and began purchasing arms from Yugoslavia including M24/47 and M48 Mausers in 7.92mm. A deal was negotiated with Sweden to buy a factory to produce the 7.92mm version of the M42B rifles at Helwan as the "Hakim". Egypt was still chronically short of small arms.

On Nov.14, 1954 Naguib was deposed by the more militant Col. Abdul Nasser. He had CIA contacts and sought American arms assistance which was not forth coming as it would conflict with US support for Britain and Israel. The Soviet Union, having previously reversed policy under Stalin, now agreed to supply arms to Egypt from Czechoslovakia.

The VZ52 was the first rifle type supplied. It was the same rifle and pattern with Castro in Cuba as the Soviet Union did not want to be directly identified as the supplier of arms to a country about to confront a western power.

Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal and Britain, France and Israel invaded in the fall of 1956 as the Hungarian Revolution was underway and the Russians were involved there.
Israel captured many small arms and some came into the USA via Golden State Arms Corp. in 1958, including some VZ52 and SAFN.

All known Czech production of the VZ52 and VZ52/57 was coded "SHE" for the factory of original production. The Egyptians made a modification of the Hakim rifle as the Rashid and there have been rumors that they may have made original VZ52 or conversions to the VZ52/57 at Helwan "Maadi" complex using Czech supplied parts and tools.

Nasser had ambitions to form a united "Arab Nation" and formed a union with Syria in 1958 as a start in that direction. This was the UAR or United Arab Republic. VZ52's and other arms were sent to Syria. The union did not endure.

Russia had a grand plan to overthrow Anglo/American hegemony in the Middle East.
It was basically Stalin's conception and his successors carried it forward. That was the reason the Russians constructed the Aswan High Dam.

In the early 1990's Egypt trained Palestinian arabs on the new PA and VZ52's which were well used.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 10:25:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 10:28:55 AM EDT
Bwahahahaahahahahaaahahahahahahahahaahaha!!!!­!
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 10:30:18 AM EDT
I did not know that Egypt used the SHE. I have a minty Grenada bring back SHE and really like it as well despite being a little heavy for its' caliber.

IIRC, there were only about 4,000 Rashids made.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 10:34:55 AM EDT
That clinches it....I'm going south to snag my dad's Rashid.

I'll post pics when I get back.

KF
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 11:01:12 AM EDT
So, its pretty much an Egyptian sks with detach mag?
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 11:30:03 AM EDT
More like a mini Hakim or Ljungman with an SKS style bayonet and front sight.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 3:10:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By obershutze916:
More like a mini Hakim or Ljungman with an SKS style bayonet and front sight.



The love_child of a Hakim & SKS.....fills the same niche as the SKS. Direct impingement gas system like the AR15.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 3:27:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 3:39:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeepcreep:
Rashid??? isn't that the reason they show all those Army VD films?


BWhahahahahha....sometimes I crack me up....



No....that's "rotchakakov"

Link Posted: 12/19/2003 3:43:01 PM EDT
I thought Rashid was Mustaffa's brother??
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 4:58:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krinkfreak:
All known Czech production of the VZ52 and VZ52/57 was coded "SHE" for the factory of original production. The Egyptians made a modification of the Hakim rifle as the Rashid and there have been rumors that they may have made original VZ52 or conversions to the VZ52/57 at Helwan "Maadi" complex using Czech supplied parts and tools.



Actually "AYM" is another Vz-52 arsenal code. I have owned 5 of them (and 7 Rasheeds since we're on the topic!), the Czech rifles all had arabic markings on the stocks and were indeed well worn. All of them were in the original 7.62X45 caliber.
-C
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 5:16:29 PM EDT
These Rashid's turning up in Iraq ARE NOT EGYPTIAN ! they are Iraqi made and were a complete mystery before the war because no one new they existed. I got to look at 2 of them when I was in Baghdad, Both were marked " Made in Baghdad " and were dated in the 70's with all numbers and lettering in English and they had the Iraqi triangle Mark. The 2 I looked at were trashed and sans bayo's and mags.
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 7:44:51 PM EDT
Yes, I have heard of these Baghdad made Rasheeds as well, along with of course the Iraqi made SVD rifles. There are only about 8000 original late sixties made Egyptian Rasheeds anyways...Would love to see some close up[ pics of the Iraqi produced version!
-C
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 8:46:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2003 2:26:15 AM EDT
Thanks for the info on the markings guys. Have added this to my little black book and will keep my eye out. You never know what you will find.
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