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Posted: 12/15/2003 10:49:31 AM EDT
i have been tinkering w/my saiga hunting rifle, and am sorry to report very poor accuracy with it. sandbagged and all the iron sights work just fine out to about 50-75 yards, but it stinks on 100 yard shots.

am i just trying to compare apples and oranges? I know the ak rifles aren't going to be as accurate as bolt actions, or my m1a, or even the ar, but i do expect them to be able to reliably hit a 100 yard rifle target somewhere on the paper...

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i know i'm using that crappy russian ammo, but the rifle is made in russia, i kinda figured the best ammo for the thing would be from russia just like the rifle... makes sense?

hen
thanks for all your input, although i'm pretty sure the first thing y'all are going to tell me is to get rid of the saiga and get a little different kind of AK.

Link Posted: 12/15/2003 10:56:11 AM EDT
FWIW, most AKs that shoot 4 MOA at 100 yards are considered good shooters, and I've only seen 2 brands than can break the 2 MOA diameter at that range.

Average accuracy for a standard AK 7.62x39 is 4-6" at 100 yards.

Mike

Link Posted: 12/15/2003 11:13:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 3:20:04 PM EDT
Like Campy said "far more accurate AK's on the internet than on the range. I have 6 of them.I get 4"-6" 100 yard groups out of all of them except my Inrange 74.about2"- 3" and I believe if I could swap out for a peep sight it would close up more. I have never seen an MOA AK at the range.Only heard about them on the internet.I appreciate them for what they are.Instead of shooting at a beer can, put a gallon paint can in its place and youll be happy.. :) WarDawg
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 3:48:59 PM EDT
I get 1 MOA at 25 yards....
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 4:08:25 AM EDT
Sounds like your eyes do not like focusing on 3 things at long distances, esp with crude AK irons. Best bets are $90 for a PSO4x24, $140 for a Kobra, or $230 for a PO3.5x21. If you like blasting up to about 100yds, Kobra, Kobra, Kobra. The 1.8moa dot does not stop my SAR1 from getting 4-5" groups from rest at 100.

Saigas are good, match ammo will not work miracles due to the roomy chambers that make AKs so reliable, 4-6" is avg for 7.62x39. Find a round that gets 4" and stock up.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 5:18:07 AM EDT
OK, I'm in.

What's a Kobra?

I have a side mount russian thingy which I got taken for at a gun show for $150 or so, real poor optics for a peasant's hunting rifle, is what it amounts to. Everything looks yellow through the scope. All the writing on the adjusting knobs is in russian so I can't decipher a thing. Left, right, up, down, etc. is all a guess on my part. I need to tinker with it some more, I guess.

Now I know why they have 30 round mags for this thing. It's going to take 30 or more to hit anything.

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Link Posted: 12/16/2003 5:31:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2003 5:32:12 AM EDT by mr_wilson]

Originally Posted By tommygs:
What's a Kobra?

Now I know why they have 30 round mags for this thing. It's going to take 30 or more to hit anything.



See the Kobra here: www.impactguns.com/store/russian_kobra2_html

And their not as bad as all that tommygs, FWIW while not to be confused with tack-drivers, I have shot my Hungarian SA85M out to 400 yards and can place most rounds in under a foot diameter at that range, using just the irons, throwing old pre-Wolf Russian 123grn. HP ammo.

Mike
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:06:57 AM EDT
Your scope has the yellow tinge that is common on all com-bloc optics except the PO3.5x21 in my experience. But they are Tonka Tuff and otherwise work quite well. Most all adjust by turning the top knob clockwise for point of impact down, and side knob clock for poi left. The lower lever also has adjustment so it goes from tight to loose in one throw.

Start with the glass that is paid for and see how it shoots. It is likely a 4x24 since those are by far the most common.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 4:08:06 PM EDT
My two Saiga conversions are the most accurate Ak's in my collection. Both average around 3" groups with Wolf ammo. One sports a 16" barrel and Kobra, the other a 14" barrel with a Ultimak mounted Aimpoint. Optics do wonders for the AK.
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