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Posted: 8/12/2003 5:40:09 AM EDT
I was thinking of buying a Romanian folder and just sit on it till the Assualt bill hopely dies next year. Will it be leagal for me to put it on my SAR 1 rifle when and if this Bills dies and expires??? Thanks guys, WarDawg
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 6:09:46 AM EDT
It should be.
I got mine from TAPCO 2 days ago $35.
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 6:31:41 AM EDT
I hope so too,I've been sitting on 3 of them for about a year.Keep your fingers crossed!
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 8:13:04 AM EDT
Thanks guys.My Tapco cataloge didn't show them to have any.But there online site has them > just ordered one and 4 ea Hungarian 20 rnd mags with the pouch.Kvar wanted $69 for the folder.Yall saved me some money, Cheers WarDawg
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 8:45:22 AM EDT
Im guessing that all the guns made durring the ban will have to stay in post ban configuration after all you know how "they" like to screw us !
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 10:55:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2003 10:58:35 AM EDT by LHD]
Ok heres the skinny. On sept 14 2004 the ban sunsets. Its over. No questions asked. All the stuff it banned (flash hiders, bayonettes, folding/collapsable stocks, pistol grips, high cap mags) will then be legal to manufacture and use to your hearts content.

Heres the catch.

They may make another one, which could encompass more than the 94 bill did. Even worse, it could turn into a law and be set in stone.

Now if they enact another one thats a carbon copy of the first, all that stuff up top is then illegal to manufacture for public use again.

We'll just have to wait and see.


edit: The ban has nothing to do with the pistol grip import ban, the 922r american parts count list or the 86 no new machine gun laws.

I've heard at least twice someone say "Man as soon as that ban shit sunsets I'm makin my AR full auto" Hate to break the news to him but it'll be just as illegal then as it is now.
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 2:05:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2003 2:33:07 PM EDT by sfcret]
the 89 ban affected all AKs....ie, no side/underfolding stock, no pistol grips, bayo lugs....so they put a thumbhole stock on them.....fast forward to the 94 law, that had a loop hole, if you put so many US parts in it, you can put a pistol grip on it...but still couldn't have a folding stock and the other features.

so how would the death of the 94 ban bill, make it OK to put a folding stock on a AK? if it wasn't OK prior to 94.....I can see it affecting ARs, FALs etc... because those, and a bunch of other weapons, were affected by that law, and not prior to it, but since the 89 ban affected AKs, wouldn't that still be enforced?

someone exsplain that
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 3:25:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sfcret:
the 89 ban affected all AKs....ie, no side/underfolding stock, no pistol grips, bayo lugs....so they put a thumbhole stock on them.....fast forward to the 94 law, that had a loop hole, if you put so many US parts in it, you can put a pistol grip on it...but still couldn't have a folding stock and the other features.

so how would the death of the 94 ban bill, make it OK to put a folding stock on a AK? if it wasn't OK prior to 94.....I can see it affecting ARs, FALs etc... because those, and a bunch of other weapons, were affected by that law, and not prior to it, but since the 89 ban affected AKs, wouldn't that still be enforced?

someone exsplain that



The 89 ban was a ban on imports with pistol grips and other evil features. Had nothing to do with US made stuff and also provided a loophole that rifles with 10 or less foreign made parts(specifies what qualifies as a part) was exempt from its provisions. Unfortunately, no one stated making US parts for these things before 1994.
In 94 the AW ban was passed and it outlawed more than one evil feature on any rifle foreign or domestic. Both laws are currently in effect.

Therefore in 9/04 after the AW ban dies('94 ban) you will be able to add eveil features to US made rifles and to foreign made rifles provided that the requisite number of US manufactured parts are used.

Better yet is that there are plenty of US companies now making AKs, FALs, ARs,etc. When the ban dies in 04 they will be plenty damn busy and we are going to have access to some really cool shit.
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 6:36:01 PM EDT
They already have the bill, it is gaining some favor and really needs to be killed, call your reps and tell them they need to oppose this! So take the time to write your congressmen.


check out these guys

http://www.awbansunset.com/

and you can go here to write you senator

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

The whole bill can be seen here

http://1919a4.com/cgi-bin/noncgi/Forum6/HTML/000838.html

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HR 2038 IH

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2038
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 8, 2003
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York (for herself, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE, Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs. TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Calico M-110;

`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

`(v) Uzi.

`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Armscor 30 BG;

`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

`(iii) Striker 12; or

`(iv) Streetsweeper.

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a barrel shroud; or

`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip;

`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.

`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

(b) RELATED DEFINITIONS- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) BARREL SHROUD- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

`(37) CONVERSION KIT- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

`(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.

`(39) FIXED MAGAZINE- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.

`(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm.

`(41) FORWARD GRIP- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.

`(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

`(43) THREADED BARREL- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'.

SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SUNSET.

Section 110105 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 is amended--
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 9:12:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteveB:
They already have the bill, it is gaining some favor..........



Yeah sure! and the Dems want to lose 50 seats in the house too not to mention that Hastert would rather eat a bullet before he allowed such a bill get to the floor.



Link Posted: 8/18/2003 1:54:00 AM EDT
I dunno, another sniper or two, a guy going postal two weeks before the ban vote, lots of media coverage, whamo--- we got the nasty bill. Way too early to tell.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 10:17:21 AM EDT
thanks drjarhead
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