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Posted: 4/9/2006 7:40:21 AM EDT
like the rest of ya, I'm desperate for a reliable source of cheap 7.62x39. I've been wondering, what did AK/SKS owners do before Wolf,Barnual and Bear ammo showed up? Was 7.62x39 hard to get back then?
Expensive, all milsurp and corrosive?
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:15:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BigBore45:
like the rest of ya, I'm desperate for a reliable source of cheap 7.62x39. I've been wondering, what did AK/SKS owners do before Wolf,Barnual and Bear ammo showed up? Was 7.62x39 hard to get back then?
Expensive, all milsurp and corrosive?



Norinco

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:52:00 AM EDT
Norinco

LAPUA (Best commercial stuff ever made IMHO)

Federal



Hootbro
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:19:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BigBore45:
like the rest of ya, I'm desperate for a reliable source of cheap 7.62x39. I've been wondering, what did AK/SKS owners do before Wolf,Barnual and Bear ammo showed up? Was 7.62x39 hard to get back then?
Expensive, all milsurp and corrosive?



Before Norinco, I understand 7.62x39mm was very hard to come by.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 3:28:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By BigBore45:
like the rest of ya, I'm desperate for a reliable source of cheap 7.62x39. I've been wondering, what did AK/SKS owners do before Wolf,Barnual and Bear ammo showed up? Was 7.62x39 hard to get back then?
Expensive, all milsurp and corrosive?



Before Norinco, I understand 7.62x39mm was very hard to come by.



You'd walk uphill, both ways, for a box of domestic production.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 3:47:05 PM EDT
Lots of Norinco, and also Sellier & Bellot.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:20:45 PM EDT
thanks for the history lesson! Thanks to Clinton Norinco is no longer importable.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:45:08 PM EDT
The only Norinco we ever used was 5.56? and some of the bullets were loose enough in the cases to fall out or twist out by hand. Was 7.62 any better?
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:10:08 PM EDT
All of the Norinco 7.62x39 I ever handled was solid.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:48:43 PM EDT
I have a wooden case of 7.62x39 JHP in 120 round battle packs that was given to me in the mid 90s. It is in the green steel case, but does not have the laquer around the primer or bullet. The headstamp says 711 and 94. It was produced at the Russian State Ammunition Factory in Podolsk, Russia. That is what I shot before Wolf. I still have 480 rounds of it. The hollow point is filled up almost all the way to the top, unlike the WOLF. It shoots well.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:13:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 5:02:25 PM EDT by Banzai]

Originally Posted By BigBore45:
thanks for the history lesson! Thanks to Clinton Norinco is no longer importable.



We used LOTS of Norinco. Dirt cheap and you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen cases of the stuff.

Remember, it was Clinton that extended "Most favored nation" trade status to China!

Actually, I believe it was Tommy of Olympic Arms that bears at least part of the blame for causing the source of cheap import AK ammo to dry up. Seems like he made 3 copies of a pistol that would fire the readily available 7.62x39 Norinco that was armor piercing steel core.

Something about the BATF was VERY unhappy, and he had to prove he had positive control of the samples......but he could only come up with two. So, something had to give, and since he'd made a few, the BATF reasoned that someone else would, too, and soon. Thus, they sent a request to outlaw the importation of any more of the Norinco 7.62x39 and any other 7.62x39 that was steel core or demonstrated "armor piercing" properties.

Even today, Norinco steel core is highly prized for it's armor piercing qualities, as well as being clean, fairly accurate, and of military power.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 5:16:35 PM EDT
This is what I bought for my Maadi back in '82. Can't remember the brand, but I know this stuff wasn't cheap.








I do know it was very accurate.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 11:59:58 PM EDT
back in 89 -90 I remember getting 1440 rounds of Chinese steel core copper washed 7.62X39 sealed in spam cans for $70.00. It was good ammo. A like new Norinco SKS was $79.00.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 5:11:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XM-15:
This is what I bought for my Maadi back in '82. Can't remember the brand, but I know this stuff wasn't cheap.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/xm15a2/Apr10613.jpg


img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/xm15a2/nk1982.jpg



I do know it was very accurate.



Got bored waiting for the coffee to brew, hit up google.

Everything I can find online says the backwards "N" is an "I", and "IK" is the stamp for the Igman ammo plant. Check out:
wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/ammo/headstamp/NK_1957.jpg.html for a reference.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 7:48:46 AM EDT


Thus, they sent a request to outlaw the importation of any more of the Norinco 7.62x39 and any other 7.62x39 that was steel core or demonstrated "armor piercing" properties.






"i just purchased 240 rounds of silver bear hp yesterday and shot through 1/4 steel with it isnt that armor pericing qualites".

not arguing with you just pointing out how stupid the ban is
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 8:16:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EKLYPSE:


Thus, they sent a request to outlaw the importation of any more of the Norinco 7.62x39 and any other 7.62x39 that was steel core or demonstrated "armor piercing" properties.






"i just purchased 240 rounds of silver bear hp yesterday and shot through 1/4 steel with it isnt that armor pericing qualites".

not arguing with you just pointing out how stupid the ban is




Originally Posted By Banzai:



Actually, I believe it was Tommy of Olympic Arms that bears at least part of the blame for causing the source of cheap import AK ammo to dry up. Seems like he made 3 copies of a pistol that would fire the readily available 7.62x39 Norinco that was armor piercing steel core.


Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:49:37 AM EDT
A .308 or 30-06 pistol could punch through body armor. Time to ban .308 and 30-06?
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:54:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rabbit9:

Originally Posted By EKLYPSE:


Thus, they sent a request to outlaw the importation of any more of the Norinco 7.62x39 and any other 7.62x39 that was steel core or demonstrated "armor piercing" properties.






"i just purchased 240 rounds of silver bear hp yesterday and shot through 1/4 steel with it isnt that armor pericing qualites".

not arguing with you just pointing out how stupid the ban is




Originally Posted By Banzai:



Actually, I believe it was Tommy of Olympic Arms that bears at least part of the blame for causing the source of cheap import AK ammo to dry up. Seems like he made 3 copies of a pistol that would fire the readily available 7.62x39 Norinco that was armor piercing steel core.





i see that you hilighted pistol and i see what you are getting at but what i am saying is that hp 7.62x39 shot from either pistol or rifle will produce the same results therefore banning ammo from one country and not the other doesnt seem very bright does it?

not that i am for banning anything as far as im concerned if the goverment can have it so can we.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:55:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:
A .308 or 30-06 pistol could punch through body armor. Time to ban .308 and 30-06?



thats the problem they didnt ban the ammo just the ammo from one country in particular. f'n retards shoulda never banned anything in the first place
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 4:29:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:

Originally Posted By XM-15:
This is what I bought for my Maadi back in '82. Can't remember the brand, but I know this stuff wasn't cheap.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/xm15a2/Apr10613.jpg


img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/xm15a2/nk1982.jpg



I do know it was very accurate.



Got bored waiting for the coffee to brew, hit up google.

Everything I can find online says the backwards "N" is an "I", and "IK" is the stamp for the Igman ammo plant. Check out:
wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/ammo/headstamp/NK_1957.jpg.html for a reference.



Thanks for the info.
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