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Posted: 1/28/2006 9:51:16 PM EDT
How about using a liner? I've read the past couple articles in shotgun news about relining barrels, it doesnt seem too difficult, can it be done to an AK barrel with a 308 liner, if there is even such a beast??? McM
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 10:43:54 PM EDT
If it can be done, Coffield could probably do it.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:51:03 AM EDT
I havent seen the SGN articles, but the only barrel liners I know of are for 22 rimfire. The last time I looked, Brownells didnt list any centerfire caliber liners.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:24:55 AM EDT
You do realize that the liner and labor would far excede the cost of a new barrel. And since the ATFE is still letting barrels into the country for "replacment parts" I cant see where it would be cheaper than just getting a new chrome lined rommy barrel.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:53:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Guncrazy223:
You do realize that the liner and labor would far excede the cost of a new barrel. And since the ATFE is still letting barrels into the country for "replacment parts" I cant see where it would be cheaper than just getting a new chrome lined rommy barrel.



Do we know this for sure?
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:57:16 AM EDT
There was an open letter from the BATFE posted that stated that. They basically said that you wern't to manufacture non-sporting rifles out of kits with barrels but that barrels were to be replacement parts for current rifles or for building sporting rifles.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 10:20:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Guncrazy223:
There was an open letter from the BATFE posted that stated that. They basically said that you wern't to manufacture non-sporting rifles out of kits with barrels but that barrels were to be replacement parts for current rifles or for building sporting rifles.



If that's true, you sir have just put a smile on my face. hippie.gif
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:46:09 AM EDT
Last I heard, the opposite is true.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 5:00:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 5:03:30 PM EDT by Guncrazy223]
Here is the test of the letter

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/112205openletter.pdf

U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives
Assistant Director
Washington, DC
November 22, 2005

OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS
AND REGISTERED IMPORTERS OF U.S. MUNITIONS IMPORT LIST ARTICLES

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) strives to keep industry
members informed of relevant statutory and regulatory developments that may affect their dayto-
day business operations. The purpose of this open letter is to update licensed and registered
importers of firearms, ammunition and other regulated commodities on the lawful importation of
certain firearm barrels into the United States for commercial purposes.
In an open letter dated July 13, 2005, licensed and registered importers were advised that the
provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 925(d)(3) established the standards for the importation of firearms and
ammunition into the United States. In particular, section 925(d)(3) provides that the Attorney
General shall authorize a firearm to be imported if it meets several conditions: (1) it is not
defined as a firearm under the National Firearms Act (NFA); (2) it is generally recognized to be
particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes; and (3) it is not a surplus
military firearm. However, the subsection further provides that “in any case where the Attorney
General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be
unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if
assembled.”
Importers were further advised that ATF has determined that the language of section 925(d)(3)
permits no exceptions that would allow the frames, receivers, or barrels for otherwise
nonimportable firearms to be imported into the United States. As a result, ATF would no longer
approve ATF Form 6 import permit applications for importation of any frames, receivers, or
barrels for firearms that would be prohibited from importation if assembled. No exceptions to
the statutory language, for example for the repair or replacement of existing firearms, will be
allowed.
ATF recognizes that certain firearm barrels may be used to assemble either an importable or a
nonimportable firearm. With this fact in mind, ATF believes that such “dual use” barrels would
be eligible for importation into the United States under section 925(d)(3) for commercial
purposes, provided prospective importers of such barrels make representations indicating that
neither the importer nor subsequent purchasers of the barrels will use the barrels to assemble
nonimportable firearms. Importers of such barrels must provide sufficient information, e.g.,
specific model designation(s) of the firearm(s) that the barrels will be used to assemble, in the
“Specific Purpose of Importation” section of the ATF Form 6 that would enable ATF personnel
to establish that the barrels sought for importation are being imported for the assembly into
importable firearms. If the dual use barrels are being imported for resale to third parties, the
importer must state in the “Specific Purpose of Importation” section of the ATF Form 6 that
purchasers have been or will be advised that the barrels may only be used for assembly into
certain importable models and must list the specific models for which the barrels will be sold.

Inclusion of a model not known to be sporting may require the submission of a sample for
evaluation to determine if importation of the barrels will be approved.

The Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch staff is available to answer your questions about
the issues addressed in this letter. You may reach them by telephone at 202-927-8320 or by fax
at 202-927-2697.

Sincerely yours,
Audrey Stucko
Deputy Assistant Director
(Enforcement Programs and Services)

So admitedly it might be harder to import them but the ten round guns that are importabe use the same barrels. So we'll see what happens. I can easily see getting them with a letter that says not to use them, but who's goint to listen to that.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:30:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 7:55:09 PM EDT by ozzy_the_nuke]
This letter was discussed at length when it first came out. The general consensus, as I understand it anyhow, is that it wont help us. I sure wouldnt count on any new Yugo AK barrels coming in under that letter.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 10:34:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:04:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 9:04:45 AM EDT by motorcityman]
[middle eastern accent] This is a hijack, i have grenade and will blow up forum thread [middle eastern accent/]


Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:35:41 AM EDT
Rather than relining the barrel. Why not by a cheap Adams and bennet, turn the blank to fit the trunion, headspace it. Drill the drive pin hole, istall pin.....drill gas port......so on and so forth. keep in mind, this is only intend for the truly insane.


Much like my 6.5x39mm AK project.


OMP

(And my wife though the $2500 lathe was the expensive part)

Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:56:27 AM EDT
I posted this thread before actually researching barrel liner costs, i didnt think they were that expensive, i was wrong. I did find some centerfire 30 cal. liners but they were all pistol barrel length. McM
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:43:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedukeryan:

Originally Posted By ozzy_the_nuke:
This letter was discussed at length when I first came out. The general consensus, as I understand it anyhow, is that it wont help us. I sure wouldnt count on any new Yugo AK barrels coming in under that letter.


I think there is hope. Although the letter was discussed the majority of the posts came from just a few members. One thing I have noticed is that no importers or manufacturers have posted or atleast none that I know of. I remember when the first ban letter came out several of the large importers posted saying no more barrels will be coming in. Then the second letter came out and more posts followed. Now the third letter came out and so far not a word. I would think that the large importers & manufacturers would know something by now. Especially with how much they have invested. If no more barrels will ever come in I think you would see a few posts from ORF or maybe a few other importers stating that these will never be imported again. This is just my opinion but I think a lot of importers are still depending on scarcity to sell some of these kits. Especially becuase they went to a lot of work getting them here and need to unload them to free up some cash. If the word gets out that more kits can and will be imported then the scarcity factor goes away and what went from the last batch of Ak kits to be imported is now just a recent shipment with more to come. Thats just my opinion though.



I've been kinda thinking the same thing as you. It really is in the best interest of those who are importing and selling kits for us to believe that no more kits will be coming in. I do wonder about those new Romanian underfolder kits coming in. Were the import permits for these approved before or after Dec 31st?
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 6:00:05 PM EDT
barrel liners are only as ggod as the person installing them, and one of the best in the industry is Redmon's liners... you now the guy who always advertises in shotgun news? he relined my fathers mauser broomhandle and it was nearly flawless in terms of whether it was visible, after 500 round it still shows no signs of wear, and, if anything, its actually smoother that when he got the upper back(meaning easier to clean)... fwiw
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 8:01:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OMP1973:
Much like my 6.5x39mm AK project.



Hey, I've been thinking about doing that also. Sent you an IM.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 8:14:25 PM EDT
IMO That letter wont bring in Yugo M70 barrels because there is no second (dual) use for M70 pattern barrels. They are different than any other barrel and dont fit any "sporting" rifle.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 8:47:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 8:48:24 PM EDT by thedukeryan]
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:56:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedukeryan:

Originally Posted By ozzy_the_nuke:
IMO That letter wont bring in Yugo M70 barrels because there is no second (dual) use for M70 pattern barrels. They are different than any other barrel and dont fit any "sporting" rifle.


I hate doing this to other peoples posts (sorry MotorCityMan) But heres what Im thinking could be done with pretty much any Ak kit. Using a Yugo kit as an example.
Take a standard M70 kit add a DCI receiver and then weld a plate over the mag well. Then make up some name for it such as the SSM70 (Single Shot M70). Then send it to the ATF for approval. Now you have a sporting rifle that uses Yugo parts. All you would have to put on the form is that the kits are being used for SSM70 rifles. The way I see it this would fall under the dual use catagory. What do you guys think.





That's so damn crazy, it just might work.



In referece to the hijacked portion of the thread- I think that situation about the bbl ban & resulting letter was best defined by the members who posted "Let me know when the BATFE is signing Form 6's again"
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