He’s invested. There’s no backing down now.

You guys are so bent out of shape you're making shit up.

FWIW olds442tyguy, I got nothing against ya. I believe I understand from where you're coming from, but this has snowballed and we need to shift the anger back to where it rightly belongs.

Leupold's new scopes are bad by today's standards and Leupold should feel bad.

Dilly dilly!

EUROOPTIC ready to ROCK!

Leupold Weight: 13.1 oz
Leupold Length: 9.5 inches
Daylight bright: yes

Seems if they had true 1x = WORLD DOMINATION!

I’ve actually come full circle back to the 1-8 NX8, but the weight and footprint on the Leupold has my attention. I am not a 7 yards and in room clearer - I like to aim small miss small at distance - otherwise just grab a T2 micro and be done with it. That’s why I think a SFP NF 1-6 or 8 would be great.

Imagine a Vortex Razor 1-6 with the NF NX8 weight and footprint, that’s what’s up. Leupold could do it. Why don’t they?

I honestly don't think they've been able to figure it out for the cost.

My VXF is actually a 24mm objective with some screw in cylinder that brings it down to 20mm. These appear to have it too, and I'd almost bet money it's a way to eliminate edge distortion without increasing cost. That says to me they're struggling to keep the cost down.

I'd probably buy this over a P4xi at $800 if it was 1X with no work arounds. Someone at Leupold is setting goals in stone though so here we are.

Meh, Leupold can do better then that. Until then...

Delta Stryker at $700 or PST Gen 2.

P4xi's can still be had around $500 used.

Also, the 1-6 SFP Credo seems to be daylight bright with the dot BDC according to the thread here? $700'ish as well.

They sure look like rebranded VX-R scopes. Same mag ranges, reticles, etc. hopefully they did more than upgrade the price tag.

Well whatever we think doesn't matter I guess, they are all out of stock

Holy cow that is some expensive glass.

This is an incredibly underrated scope (although Ilya/DLO is high on it). I picked one up a few months ago. Great glass and super bright dot. For the price they’re hard to beat.

Agreed.  This would be amazing.

@theHULK9281

Excuse my ignorance, who or what is IIya/DLO?

Let’s turn this thread into a petition! Let’s go!

Ilya Koshkin AKA Dark Lord of Optics.  He’s a member here and other places and he’s pretty well respected in the gun community for his scope reviews.

Awesome, thanks. I’ll check him out.

I added a link to his review on the Delta Stryker.

Looks like midway has the 1.5-4 mk3 listed at $499. Seems a little more reasonable for what it is, but I’d still rather have the Steiner.

That's pricing for the non illuminated model. I can live with 1.5X myself, but I don't even see the point of offering it without illumination.

Generally speaking, Leupold does "lightweight and durable" better than anyone.   I don't shoot off of a timer or in competition that penalizes multiple optics like variable/offset red dot combos.  And, I use optics on hunting rifles more than for tactical or long range shooting.  But, I may be more typical of most buyers of magnified optics for rifles.

Thus, light weight, good glass for the price, practical low light and moving target reticle, and daylight bright illumination are my primary considerations.  Leupold checks all the boxes.

Thus, I'm really attracted to their VX6-HD 2-12x42 with standard Firedot Duplex.  No, its not the subject of this thread, but even a scope with 2x on the bottom end can be lightening fast on moving game.  And, with an offset red dot, you have the benefit of both worlds.  Chances are that the combination of mini reflex and Leupold LPVO or mid-powered variable, including mounts, will weigh less than comparable 1-6x or 1-8x LPVOs and mounts.  I've shot running deer at darned near point-blank range at 2x (2-7x hunting scopes) for decades and found them not lacking.

Even so, Leupold can do better with reticle choices for tactical and long range use of more general purpose scopes.  What I don't understand about Leupold is that it has great illuminated and non-illuminated reticle choices (scores of them) available for most scopes through their custom shop.  Why they don't release some of these options in their standard catalog offerings to vendors is beyond me.  They would benefit from participating in forums like this, or at least passively follow us.

Oh. I missed that. That’s awful.

I hope so, the VX-R Scout Firedot has become something of the grail scope for shooters that want longer (at least 6 inch) eye relief.

It would be nice to see that pop up again for the top end of that niche, they are impossible to find now.

Great review. You feel like you’re behind the glass. He needs show the reticle in mid-day sun to demonstrate daylight bright.

Agreed, he always does a great job. I was looking at grabbing a Mk6, but since they're no longer being made, I think I'll be trying to snatch one of these. Only cons I see are the oversight of the mil stadia/ moa turret combo and they're currently only on pre order right now

They have. Me!

They had a 1-6 with german #4 and really wanted it till I saw it was discontinued.

I believe Leupold needs to cleanly separate their optics into hunting, tactical and precision lines. It seems like they are hunters try to squeeze into the other categories but never offering much selection or the complete set of features for the other market.

And the absolutely need to move their Freedom and VX lines past 3X variables while staying under $1,000.

As someone else said, a lightweight 2-8x or -10x is fantastic for hunting. As is a 1.5-6x for closer in hunting. But for tactical you want that true 1X to at least 4X on the Freedom end and 1-6X on the VX side. Under $1,000. Illuminated with a few reticles that emulate popular red dots on 1X and mildot on the high setting.  Maybe even just make a hi/low short throw scope with just two power settings?

The 1X and 2x variables don’t need parallax correction but on the tactical and precision higher mag scopes that should be standard. And how about a dedicated .22LR 2-10x and 4-24x with parallax adj?

You got the hunters covered. Set up dedicated designers for tactical and precision. Look at what Vortex is doing and Delta and Swampfox and the Europeans. Learn from them and optimize a US made design. Please.

for the longest time Leopold continues to make 30mm tube LPVO with 1" optics in them. hard pass. most other 30mm tube LPVO have 24mm objectives in them while Leopold continues to sell 20mm.

Agreed, it makes you wonder who is making the decisions at Leupold? It’s like you said, some fudd is trying to design their tactical scopes. I left them behind years ago and haven’t looked back. My serious rifles have G2 Razors or ACOGs on them, the play rifles have PSTs. They are in my opinion the Harley Davidson of scopes, kinda stuck in the past but they have the might and money to do better but for some odd reason they don’t.

Pretty sure anyone good at Leupold left and went to Sig

Most (but not all) actually are 24mm. Leupold puts in a screw in cylinder in the objective that brings them down to 20mm. This is likely a cheap way to eliminate edge distortion, plus it makes threading cheaper and easier.

For the sake of honesty, I've shot a 20mm Leupold side by side with various other 24mm LPVO's and have never been able to tell the difference in the 4mm, nor that the insert was there. It's kind of laughable how well it works for such an archaic solution.

Agree, but I can assure you it’s nuclear bright. When the sun finally comes back out in western PA I’ll take mine out and post a picture.

This is true, but Sig's optic line is a basket case in their 2021 catalog. Tango6 non-LPVO line? 5-30 with a DEV-L... all you get to do is choose MOA or MRAD, lol.

I am hoping that this means we're finally going to see the Tango4 and Tango6 get bumped to 5x and 8x ratios soon, but I suppose it could also mean Sig has decided LPVOs and the sub-$1k price points are really the only things worth messing with...

Will be very interesting to see how these perform. At dealer cost, the price reasonable enough that I might consider trying it out.

The 3-9 looks interesting to me. Sub 16oz illuminated and their HD glass is reportedly pretty good.