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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:51:14 PM EDT
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Need an M5s model.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:06:16 PM EDT
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As I understand this the M5 is being made at the request of groups who work OCONUS who want a small T1-type but might have a hard time finding batteries overseas. The little lithium button battery is easy to find here but probably ain't super common in Africa or the Middle East.
An "S" model certainly would have seemed the most logical choice. Unless there's some kind of compatibility issues with a low compartment and legacy T1 mounts. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 6:55:18 PM EDT
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Need an M5s model. 
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Posted: 9/8/2017 7:07:53 PM EDT
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Needs a 25mm window and
 on their choice of battery compartment position
Do they not see what's happening with the MRO that has slight magnification, fisheye, couldn't be uglier, but has a slightly larger ocular lens for cheekweld tolerance which creates its demand? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 8:29:19 AM EDT
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Needs a 25mm window and on their choice of battery compartment position
Do they not see what's happening with the MRO that has slight magnification, fisheye, couldn't be uglier, but has a slightly larger ocular lens for cheekweld tolerance which creates its demand? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:18:56 AM EDT
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The M5 takes AAA batteries?
I still say the M2, M3 Carbine, or PRO is the best choice all around. What was wrong that they had to switch from the cr 1/3n to the AA in the first place? The Cr 1/3ns are tiny, not expensive when you buy them online; last a very long time and don't corrode like alkaline AAs do. I love the Aimpoints I have. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:22:36 AM EDT
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I feel like some of our market demand analysis from a few minutes of reading makes their full time employees focused on this stuff seem negligent
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:34:27 AM EDT
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Nothing is wrong with the CR 1/3N but is it an international standard?
That's the idea with the M5. To provide an optic that uses a battery that's common in far corners of the globe. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:05:52 PM EDT
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Nothing is wrong with the CR 1/3N but is it an international standard? That's the idea with the M5. To provide an optic that uses a battery that's common in far corners of the globe. I am still on the original battery in a couple of my Aimpoints from at least 8 years ago. I bought a bunch of extra cheap online a while ago but will probably expire before I need to use them. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:12:14 PM EDT
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Whether it's common or not, the Cr 1/3n can be purchased anywhere, as far as I know and lasts an extremely long time in Aimpoints; so.you only need one for several years and that's if you leave the Aimpoints on all of the time. I am still on the original battery in a couple of my Aimpoints from at least 8 years ago. I bought a bunch of extra cheap online a while ago but will probably expire before I need to use them. This was created at the REQUEST of the State Department. Your opinion on their needs isn't really pertinent. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/07/aimpoint-m5-in-the-wild/ http://soldiersystems.net/2016/08/06/a-new-aimpoint-aa-powered-micro-variant/ ETA: About the time this was first announced there was also suddenly AA and AAA weapon lights and IR laser systems announced that points to there being groups of people who need the ability to use cheap standard batteries where lithium batteries can't be found or shipped to. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:59:30 PM EDT
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Ok. Understood.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 4:19:05 PM EDT
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The M5 takes AAA batteries? I still say the M2, M3 Carbine, or PRO is the best choice all around. What was wrong that they had to switch from the cr 1/3n to the AA in the first place? The Cr 1/3ns are tiny, not expensive when you buy them online; last a very long time and don't corrode like alkaline AAs do. I love the Aimpoints I have. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 4:28:15 PM EDT
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Who the hell buys a $600+ Aimpoint and puts a 50 cent AA in it? I put alkalines in one of my Eotechs and it leaked but no real damage. After that happened, I put in lithiums. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 5:23:47 PM EDT
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Who the hell buys a $600+ Aimpoint and puts a 50 cent AA in it? Lithium AAs are like only $6 for a 2 or 4 pack. Also here in AK I can't find the damn 2L76 batteries anywhere. I could order them online but no-one seems to want to send lithium batteries to my PO Box. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 6:46:37 PM EDT
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Military uses cheap ass alkaline AAs in the M4/M4s series APs. It's the only thing we have in our armory. |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 7:47:48 PM EDT
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So they junked up a nice optic to be mil-spec? The cloners will pay out for 'em after some 'in the wild' pics get posted.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:19:02 AM EDT
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$1000.00 MSRP. Check their FB page. I have a post asking questions about it under sean hoody.
Nope. So much nope.  
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:08:21 PM EDT
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$1000.00 MSRP. Check their FB page. I have a post asking questions about it under sean hoody. Nope. So much nope. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:18:14 PM EDT
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They said the MSRP with a standard mount is $922. I believe the MSRP on the T2 with a standard mount is $872 so it looks like a $50 difference. You can get the T2 with a LaRue mount for $759 so this one could possibly be as much as $809. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:19:39 PM EDT
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So they junked up a nice optic to be mil-spec? The cloners will pay out for 'em after some 'in the wild' pics get posted. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:28:08 PM EDT
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Thats still 800 bucks for a 1x red dot. Aimpoints are great optics but that is insane. That's why I haven't bought nor will ever buy anything else than a M2 ,M3, or PRO. ( or perhaps a Carbine optic with a better mount) |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:31:58 PM EDT
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I agree. That's what I haven't bought nor will ever buy anything else than a M2 ,M3, or PRO. ( Or perhaps a Carbine optic with a better mount) I remember when the SRS was first announced and everyone shit their pants because of the price. (NOT trying to start an optic war here. Simply price statement) |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:11:36 PM EDT
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I agree. That's why I haven't bought nor will ever buy anything else than a M2 ,M3, or PRO. ( or perhaps a Carbine optic with a better mount) Just have to know where to look and be patient. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:07:05 PM EDT
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I totally get the "why" of this optic.
But I'll agree with those who see little point to it for the civilian shooter. I've also noticed that AP seems to slowly raise their prices about $75 with each feature release and slowly raised them to stupid cash levels. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:13:57 PM EDT
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I agree with the post above on the why. Even for civilian use. But at some point one has to begin to wonder... a lot of this technology is ancient. This should have been a 600 optic.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:33:38 PM EDT
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There is no reason other then $ that AP's cost so much..... You KNOW they must make a ton of $ on each one.
But I'll keep my M4s. I like that when I run out of bullets, I can release the quick mount & then bash the M4s into a BG's head knock them out, remount it then go get more ammo. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 8:12:50 PM EDT
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There is no reason other then $ that AP's cost so much..... You KNOW they must make a ton of $ on each one. That being said, the PRO is, the by far best bang for your buck; with the modern Aimpoint offerings. I'd even buy a Carbine optic and used mount over the more expensive Aimpoints The carbine is the old ML2 and Pro is the almost M3. It's like an M 2.5 lol. The micros and other offerings don't justify the much higher price tag. ( Imo) The government and military has the green;so cost isn't an issue to them. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:23:48 PM EDT
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I'll wait patiently for the inevitable M5s variant.
 Until then my T2 and M4s still reign supreme in the RDS world.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:23:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Concerning Aimpoint cost... Aren't they made in Sweden?
Have you guys ever looked at the exchange rate between the USD and Swedish Kroner? |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:24:52 PM EDT
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I'll wait patiently for the inevitable M5s variant. Until then my T2 and M4s still reign supreme in the RDS world.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:25:13 PM EDT
[#31]
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I'll wait patiently for the inevitable M5s variant. Until then my T2 and M4s still reign supreme in the RDS world. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:36:28 PM EDT
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Concerning Aimpoint cost... Aren't they made in Sweden? Have you guys ever looked at the exchange rate between the USD and Swedish Kroner? |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:39:14 PM EDT
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I know that labor rates are high in Sweden. A beer at a bar was over $10 when I was there back in 2002. 
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:49:56 PM EDT
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They stated that the s variant will not be made. It interfered with mounts |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:52:11 PM EDT
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No pics?
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Posted: 9/13/2017 11:13:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:47:57 AM EDT
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Looks like internally it's the same as a t2 with the added length being used for a sacrificial window. You can see the slanted and red coated lens back inside and then a flat clear lense out front.
Kinda cool you can clean the lense without worrying about scratching the shit out of the coating. Wonder if the ocular has a similar set up? |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:10:37 PM EDT
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You can scour the EE and find very lightly used T2's with larue mounts for $600-$625
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:14:16 PM EDT
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Need an M5s model. Need a T3 25mm micro |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:20:40 PM EDT
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Last successive post but interesting - the M5 product page shows a 1.0 magnification with a +/- 3%. What I'm reading is this is basically saying 1.03 magnification. The first you'll see on an AP product page. This is probably in line with their other RDS's as most know they aren't true 1x
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:10:03 PM EDT
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Last successive post but interesting - the M5 product page shows a 1.0 magnification with a +/- 3%. What I'm reading is this is basically saying 1.03 magnification. The first you'll see on an AP product page. This is probably in line with their other RDS's as most know they aren't true 1x |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:26:26 PM EDT
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I totally get the "why" of this optic. But I'll agree with those who see little point to it for the civilian shooter. I've also noticed that AP seems to slowly raise their prices about $75 with each feature release and slowly raised them to stupid cash levels. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 6:09:07 PM EDT
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To me, it's worth it if it has animated emojis. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 8:25:39 PM EDT
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Looking forward to you reviewing this, but I wager won't be much of a difference between the T1/T2 in terms of performance/benefits and downsides.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 9:19:19 PM EDT
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Yep, a 25mm Micro with a AAA battery compartment built into the mount, preferably lower third would be perfect for the T3. But even keeping the 2032 batteries are not an issue CONUS.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 9:49:29 PM EDT
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The M5 takes AAA batteries? I still say the M2, M3 Carbine, or PRO is the best choice all around. What was wrong that they had to switch from the cr 1/3n to the AA in the first place? The Cr 1/3ns are tiny, not expensive when you buy them online; last a very long time and don't corrode like alkaline AAs do. I love the Aimpoints I have. I have convinced myself the M3 is the best all around Aimpoint. I foolishly sold mine to buy Micros, but then I realized my mistake and have been hoarding M3 Aimpoints whenever I can find them. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 9:53:41 PM EDT
[#47]
The problem with the M4 is it is too bulky and has no provision for a rubber overcover.
The T2 will reign supreme over the M5 due to the M5 having a high AAA battery compartment that obstructs view. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 10:09:37 PM EDT
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what size is the lens on the M5? I feel like its a major fail if its a similar size to the T2 rather then the M4. I mean who needs another T2 variant. Well whatever, I am not a T2 fan the window is just to small for picking up the dot quickly but I am pretty picky and want the best of both world when I purchase things.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 11:48:38 PM EDT
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The problem with the M4 is it is too bulky and has no provision for a rubber overcover. The T2 will reign supreme over the M5 due to the M5 having a high AAA battery compartment that obstructs view. |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 2:58:01 AM EDT
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Did you guys not read the thread? This was designed to be a micro that takes a common battery for users in various environments that have a hard time getting 2032 batteries. IMO it was not designed to compete with the MRO or another Aimpoint product. It was a specific product developed to cater to a very specific user issue.
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