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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:28:42 PM EDT
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Buy once/cry once. Get a T1 and call it a day.
Better battery life than an EOtech. Simple reticle. Lighter. Proven. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:46:26 PM EDT
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not sure how much your scope weighs but if you like the scope and are good with it from up close to distance, maybe you could lighten the rifle? skinny barrel, less rail, less stuff?
my rifle with a trijicon TR21 would not be the first rifle i grab for home defense but the scope is light enough it doesnt bother me weight wise since its on a skinny 16" barrel and geissele rail. my "HD" rifle has a RX30 with fixed irons. i'm not a big fan of batteries. weight shouldnt be a problem around the house, in fact i have been known to have my AR10 16" barrel with aimpoint sitting around the livin room before and that sucker aint light! only you can pick the RDS, they all get the job done. just figure out which size and functions you like best |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:48:32 PM EDT
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Buy once/cry once. Get a T1 and call it a day. Better battery life than an EOtech. Simple reticle. Lighter. Proven. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:19:19 PM EDT
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I'd go T2. Nominal price increase for notable upgrades over a T1.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:26:28 PM EDT
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To al these people recommending micros, did you even read his post about not liking the single dot?
To OP I would take the EOtech over the vortex. I might go with the xps3/exps3 if you can find a good deal on it over the 2. It seems you like the full sized optics. I would think a pro would suit you ok IF you did choose to go the single dot route. It is around the same price point as the others you listed. In the end, you are the one using it. If you prefer the circle dot then go with the EOtech. ACTUALLY the sig Romeo 4 series can switch between a single dot and a circle dot. Maybe check one of those out? |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:27:42 PM EDT
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not sure how much your scope weighs but if you like the scope and are good with it from up close to distance, maybe you could lighten the rifle? skinny barrel, less rail, less stuff? my rifle with a trijicon TR21 would not be the first rifle i grab for home defense but the scope is light enough it doesnt bother me weight wise since its on a skinny 16" barrel and geissele rail. my "HD" rifle has a RX30 with fixed irons. i'm not a big fan of batteries. weight shouldnt be a problem around the house, in fact i have been known to have my AR10 16" barrel with aimpoint sitting around the livin room before and that sucker aint light! only you can pick the RDS, they all get the job done. just figure out which size and functions you like best |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:39:50 PM EDT
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To al these people recommending micros, did you even read his post about not liking the single dot? To OP I would take the EOtech over the vortex. I might go with the xps3/exps3 if you can find a good deal on it over the 2. It seems you like the full sized optics. I would think a pro would suit you ok IF you did choose to go the single dot route. It is around the same price point as the others you listed. In the end, you are the one using it. If you prefer the circle dot then go with the EOtech. ACTUALLY the sig Romeo 4 series can switch between a single dot and a circle dot. Maybe check one of those out? |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:44:39 PM EDT
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He said he was looking at single dot types prior. And the trade-offs for an Eotech are too great to not work on getting over single dot aversions. Also, he seems to have an affinity for larger style optics. If one were to suggest something the M4 would fit the best excluding budget. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:06:33 AM EDT
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He did not. He mentioned going back to red dots then immediately asked about holographic. The OP lumped the two together. Also, he seems to have an affinity for larger style optics. If one were to suggest something the M4 would fit the best excluding budget. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He said he was looking at single dot types prior. And the trade-offs for an Eotech are too great to not work on getting over single dot aversions. Also, he seems to have an affinity for larger style optics. If one were to suggest something the M4 would fit the best excluding budget. And the Eotech is a straight compromise. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:23:38 AM EDT
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Im looking at the MRO the aimpoint pro/carbine, eotechs, and vortex basically everything in the 500 ish range. T2/1/h1s are all over my budget. I do like the eotech recticle but Im not bound to it.
My rifle is a Savage MSR 15 recon 7lbs naked the PA 1-6 plus mount adds almost 2 lbs the only other thing on the rifle is a surefire g2x light I was always happy with eotech before I sold mine off and went with the 1-6 and other magnified optics scopes for a while now I have a dedicated scoped AR. I also like vortex optics have used a lot of their stuff. The full sized optics are generally cheaper than micros all the ones Im looking at are less than 500. Range use and HD will be the main use the zombie fad is over so cant use that excuse sooo antifa riots? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:56:15 AM EDT
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Got it. So the statement about looking at the MRO and Aimpoint PRO doesn't exist in the OP. And the Eotech is a straight compromise. The MRO was ONLY micro style listed. It had one common thing, price. It was pretty clear to deduce that the OP is trying to stay under 500. OP aimpoint micro's are over priced. If you prefer an EOtech, go eotech. If battery life is a concern then a holosun or sig should combine decent battery life and a circle dot for you. You may be able to train into a single dot, but why do so if you already know your preference? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Unless you are TRYING to branch out, stick with what you like and can engage effectively with. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:38:25 AM EDT
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Many use Eotech sights issue free, if that's what you prefer, that would be my suggestion.
If single dots are not your flavor, cross AP off your list. Ever tried ACOG with the horseshoe reticle? May be your thing? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:41:28 AM EDT
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The MRO was ONLY micro style listed. It had one common thing, price. It was pretty clear to deduce that the OP is trying to stay under 500. 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:48:48 AM EDT
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Except the 503c from Holosun. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:22:00 AM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice guys
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:30:06 AM EDT
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Is it just the weight issue? There are 1-4s that are lighter than Eo's...
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:52:49 PM EDT
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If you like the Holosun, why not get another? I have multiple 503GU's and love them. Like you, I'm not a fan of "dot only" either. I find circle dots WAY faster and easier than dot only (as well as giving you a smaller "dot" for the precise shots).
Also, have you considered PA's "ACSS" reticles? I have no experience with them, but it has the circle (more like horseshoe)/dot configuration. Worth a look! You can even get that ACSS in a trijicon Acog now (44 ACSS model). |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:58:54 PM EDT
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If you like the Holosun, why not get another? I have multiple 503GU's and love them. Like you, I'm not a fan of "dot only" either. I find circle dots WAY faster and easier than dot only (as well as giving you a smaller "dot" for the precise shots). Also, have you considered PA's "ACSS" reticles? I have no experience with them, but it has the circle (more like horseshoe)/dot configuration. Worth a look! You can even get that ACSS in a trijicon Acog now (44 ACSS model). I may hold out for the vortex |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 2:04:36 PM EDT
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I DO stand corrected. My only counter is that the 503c has the circle dot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Except the 503c from Holosun. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 2:29:11 PM EDT
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And how right above your retort he states he's looking at the MRO and PRO. Now we've established single dots are in play, I advised a T2. You caught up? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 2:58:56 PM EDT
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It's like romper room in here today...
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Posted: 9/7/2017 3:06:01 PM EDT
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It's like romper room in here today... |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 5:24:58 PM EDT
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I'd go T2. Nominal price increase for notable upgrades over a T1. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 3:47:53 AM EDT
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I'd go T2. Nominal price increase for notable upgrades over a T1. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 10:14:59 AM EDT
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Parallax fix and flip caps the only difference? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd go T2. Nominal price increase for notable upgrades over a T1. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:07:41 AM EDT
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No issues with my current holosun which is why I'm still considering one. I have the acss reticle in the 1-6 don't think I'd ever really need it. I may hold out for the vortex Are you aware that the vortex uh1 weighs 12oz? That's not much less weight than the 15.5oz of your current PA 1-6. Not to mention the dissatisfaction many in the uh1 thread are reporting. Just saying. I don't own either. . |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 1:21:05 PM EDT
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. Are you aware that the vortex uh1 weighs 12oz? That's not much less weight than the 15.5oz of your current PA 1-6. Not to mention the dissatisfaction many in the uh1 thread are reporting. Just saying. I don't own either. . People bitch about every optic released except apparently aimpoint. Even when they add flip caps and fix what some may call an issue. They can raise the price and still make people smile. It's rather interesting honestly. I bet that new aimpoint that takes a different battery for some South American narco unit that can't apparently stock battery's will be more expensive. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 1:21:23 PM EDT
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Eotech and some LW buis.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 1:24:13 PM EDT
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. Are you aware that the vortex uh1 weighs 12oz? That's not much less weight than the 15.5oz of your current PA 1-6. Not to mention the dissatisfaction many in the uh1 thread are reporting. Just saying. I don't own either. . |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 1:56:04 PM EDT
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You have to add the mount. He has already figured out how much his set up weighs. 12 ounces would be less. Albeit there are lighter set ups. I think the EXPS series eotechs are close to 8 ounces, eh? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:03:45 PM EDT
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Buy once/cry once. Get a T1 and call it a day. Better battery life than an EOtech. Simple reticle. Lighter. Proven. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:12:22 PM EDT
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To al these people recommending micros, did you even read his post about not liking the single dot? To OP I would take the EOtech over the vortex. I might go with the xps3/exps3 if you can find a good deal on it over the 2. It seems you like the full sized optics. I would think a pro would suit you ok IF you did choose to go the single dot route. It is around the same price point as the others you listed. In the end, you are the one using it. If you prefer the circle dot then go with the EOtech. ACTUALLY the sig Romeo 4 series can switch between a single dot and a circle dot. Maybe check one of those out? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:19:39 PM EDT
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Aimpoint Micro's are too expensive. The Holosun has the circle dot. Are you caught up yet? I know that somebody doesn't want a t2 throws your panties in a loop, but aimpoints aren't end all be all. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:36:15 PM EDT
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Lol at a Holosun as somehow being the contemporary of a T2. They may be expensive, but "too expensive" depends on your income and required level of durability and reliability. If you make 50k or more a year and are betting your life on the optic it is not "too expensive" IMO. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:53:15 PM EDT
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The OP wishes to stay sub $500 and prefers the circle dot. I would be certain for 99% of the people on here the level of durability in an aimpoint isn't required. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol at a Holosun as somehow being the contemporary of a T2. They may be expensive, but "too expensive" depends on your income and required level of durability and reliability. If you make 50k or more a year and are betting your life on the optic it is not "too expensive" IMO. if someones rifle is a range toy and not to be used in defense of ones life, than any'ol RDS should work of course YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:10:00 PM EDT
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i think what DevL is getting at is......alot of us (more thatn 99%) see these rifles as a tool for a life and death situation. that being the case, one would expect their life is worth more that a cheap chinese made electro-optic that could fail at anytime. if someones rifle is a range toy and not to be used in defense of ones life, than any'ol RDS should work of course YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:32:13 PM EDT
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take a look at the vortex spitfire. i have had one on a duty rifle for a year now. it's tough as nails. circle dot etched reticle so batteries aren't even required
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:34:03 PM EDT
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take a look at the vortex spitfire. i have had one on a duty rifle for a year now. it's tough as nails. circle dot etched reticle so batteries aren't even required |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 5:09:03 PM EDT
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Lol at a Holosun as somehow being the contemporary of a T2. They may be expensive, but "too expensive" depends on your income and required level of durability and reliability. If you make 50k or more a year and are betting your life on the optic it is not "too expensive" IMO. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:50:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm not sure why one thinks if you make 50K you're going to have all this discretionary income for gun stuff. Maybe if you live alone you might. But if you have a family with kids and a house and a couple of cars, pfffffffft. That barely pays the bills. If that. I suppose it might depend on where you live. But really. Or I guess if your kids or you never get sick and you can eat raman many meals without getting rickets. And your son and daughter don't need braces or eyeglasses. Etc etc on and on and on.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:02:50 PM EDT
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Goodbye tech..hello GD.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:44:03 AM EDT
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(back on track)...
I think you'll find there aren't that many circle dot reticle RDS's out there. There is the (now hated) Eotech, The Holosun's (which bring out the haters who despise a decent RDS at budget cost), PA ADSS reticle versions (which are also made by.... you guessed it... Holosun. Surprise! Heck, even the Sig is made by Holosun). Now there's Trijicon ACSS versions (which no one would knock, but few would spend the $ for them). There may be others, but I'm not aware of them. So you basically have two choices for circle dot (Eotech and HS variants), and a few more for ACSS (which is probably as close to a circle dot as you'll get). Good luck with your search and keep us posted on what you chose and why! People's choices and why they chose them are always helpful for others who may be in the same search. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:33:01 PM EDT
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With the recent proof that the T1 has some concerning parallax issues, I would skip and either go straight to the T2 or...
Find a new model MRO and see if the magnification is corrected and less blue tint. There are rumors going around of improvement on I think 91,000 serial numbers and above? Or get a new EOTech and rock it till it fails. I've yet to see any issues with the new logo EOTechs. If someone has had issues, please step forward. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 7:12:14 PM EDT
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With the recent proof that the T1 has some concerning parallax issues, I would skip and either go straight to the T2 or... Find a new model MRO and see if the magnification is corrected and less blue tint. There are rumors going around of improvement on I think 91,000 serial numbers and above? Or get a new EOTech and rock it till it fails. I've yet to see any issues with the new logo EOTechs. If someone has had issues, please step forward. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:39:48 PM EDT
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I'd go T2. Nominal price increase for notable upgrades over a T1. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 8:41:08 AM EDT
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Im waiting on Mrgunsngears review on the UH1 before I decide on that one.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 8:58:14 AM EDT
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I've been very pleased with my MRO.
Quite a bit less than the Aimpoint micros and so far, no complaints. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 9:59:16 AM EDT
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For 300m and under T1 or T2 is what you seek.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 5:32:47 PM EDT
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Goodbye tech..hello GD. Only thing about that is one of the PA red dots didn't do so well with the the parallax test. But I wasn't sure which one it was exactly cause they called it MD-05. But having said that, it did a little better than a T-1 it seemed. So...... there's that. Then there is always the Leupold mini rds thingy. I think those are a good choice. But then you're getting back into Aimpoint price territory. I'm interested in the Burris FF3. And IMHO, I'm not sure I'm all that concerned how great it is (meaning I'm not sure I feel like I NEED aimpoint, even if it was on my HD rifle). Any RDS can go kaput when you don't want it to because batteries. Sure, an aimpoint is less likely. But it still happens. Any RDS should probably be run with irons either all up or at least flippable quickly. And as some said, I'm not going to run it that hard. Most of us civvies don't. If you feel like you're going to beat the snot out of it, then you may need to spend more to get more durability. But there again, the PA seems to do well in the beat it up and still work category. I'm not sure if the holosun is as good, but you would think it should be if it's made in the same place. Now the etched reticle deal, that's a good idea. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:53:01 PM EDT
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Sorry about the rant. I can't remember if I said this, but Stukas87 was one BTDT guy that said he wouldn't hesitate to buy a PA advanced Micro. I guess he can correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember filing that in the ole brain bucket. . For a long period I used PA MRDS only. Always worked, zero issues. I got to thinking about "what ifs" and weighing scenarios, bought an M2. LOVED IT! Bought an M3, and then a PRO. All I use now. Cant hurt them, always perform. Zero regrets. I'll admit I have a strange fascination with the newer Eotechs...but not sure that I will venture out that far? |
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