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Posted: 3/2/2006 7:38:26 PM EDT
Thoughts? I am looking for a scope to go on my 24" AR-10 build. Without considering cost which scope would people use? (Other brands are also acceptable). The other question is what magnification would people consider?

-C4-
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 11:48:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2006 11:50:57 PM EDT by CSGunWorkscom]
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 3:25:00 AM EDT
I think Nightforce has the edge on the glass quality-


Link Posted: 3/3/2006 3:59:52 AM EDT
never owned a leupold but will pick the nightforce
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 4:56:09 AM EDT
My price range is $500 to $1500ish... I would prefer to spend around $1000.

-C4-
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 5:16:31 AM EDT
Also look at the IOR 2x12-32 or 3X18-42. I have the 2X12-32 and I am going to do a review of it and post it here as soon as the medium rings come in.
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 7:20:01 AM EDT

I have 4.5-14 X 50 M1 , 3.5-10X40 M! w/ Illuminated recticle, NSX 5.5-22 X 56 and the NSX 3.5-15 X 50

Recticles

If having a illuminated recticle is important the NSX recticle choices ( lots of choices ) is way better than the Leupold illuminated . Only complaint ( minor ) I have is its a pain to change the recticle illumination brightness on the NSX . Dead easy to do on the Leupold

Some people find the NSX recticles buys but I think they are awesome for holdover references ( like the NP-R2

Turrets
The nightforce turrets have more positive clicks than the M1s and best of all you can get the ZERO STOP option in the NSX . Extremely handy if you you dial in elevation . Doesn't matter if you never touch your turrets

Optical Clarity - I would have to give the slight edge to the NF ( yes same power setting and dia obj was compared ) .


If money was not an issue I would pic the NSX over the MK4 . You might not like the fact that the NSX is made in Japan ( Leupold lenses are from Japan BTW )

Not to confuse the issue but neither of these scopes are actually my favorite choice for a 308 . I have a Schmidt & Bender PMII (3-12 X 50 ) on my 308 . The PMII line is absoloutly outstanding . As good as the NSXs are the PMII is awesome

Things you will like with PMII


1. It will make its full elevation in one turn ( or you can go with their super cool "double turn option". This setup is waaaay better than the leupold M3 single turn turret . Have no idea how they make the clicks so small yet positive feeling ( clicks are about 2.5 times finer than the M3 single turn - 1cm click on S&B vs about 1" on M3 turret )

2. Build quality is outstanding. You have to see the turrets off to appreciate the machine work and precison ( like a watch )

3. Optical quality is outstanding . This scope pissed me off because I could see the targets clearer than my spotting scope ! Could't have that so it "Made" me buy a new spotting scope !

4. Parallax ( 3rd turret ) adjustment better than the Leupold

Things you will not like with PMII

1. Cost - they are ridiculously overpriced now ( pricing has increased significantly over the past couple years ) About $2500 for PMII vs $1000 to $1500 for the NSX and Leupold

2. Front focal plane recticle. Good if you range with mil dot . Not the greatest for shooting paper a long ranges

BTW the USMC and Canadian forces new issue sniper rifles both chose to go with PMIIs . Not to say the other contenders are bad choices ( quite the opposite the USO is outstanding products ) but just useless trivia


MAGNIFICATION

That question all depends on what you are doing with it. For real world stuff like hunting the 10 to 12 power is ideal ( 15 with NSX )

If you like long range target shooting you can't go wrong with the 22 -24 power .
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 8:02:28 AM EDT
Night force 2.5x10 w/ NPR2. Mike is a good guy at CSgunworks.
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 8:17:53 AM EDT
As of right now I am leaning towards the 8-32x56 NXS with the MLR Reticle. I am also thinking about the 12-42x, but don't think I will ever be shooting anything that would really use 42x and that I may get annoyed with the 12x minimum.

-C4-
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 8:21:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By trg42:
I have 4.5-14 X 50 M1 , 3.5-10X40 M! w/ Illuminated recticle, NSX 5.5-22 X 56 and the NSX 3.5-15 X 50

Recticles

If having a illuminated recticle is important the NSX recticle choices ( lots of choices ) is way better than the Leupold illuminated . Only complaint ( minor ) I have is its a pain to change the recticle illumination brightness on the NSX . Dead easy to do on the Leupold

Some people find the NSX recticles buys but I think they are awesome for holdover references ( like the NP-R2

Turrets
The nightforce turrets have more positive clicks than the M1s and best of all you can get the ZERO STOP option in the NSX . Extremely handy if you you dial in elevation . Doesn't matter if you never touch your turrets

Optical Clarity - I would have to give the slight edge to the NF ( yes same power setting and dia obj was compared ) .


If money was not an issue I would pic the NSX over the MK4 . You might not like the fact that the NSX is made in Japan ( Leupold lenses are from Japan BTW )

Not to confuse the issue but neither of these scopes are actually my favorite choice for a 308 . I have a Schmidt & Bender PMII (3-12 X 50 ) on my 308 . The PMII line is absoloutly outstanding . As good as the NSXs are the PMII is awesome

Things you will like with PMII


1. It will make its full elevation in one turn ( or you can go with their super cool "double turn option". This setup is waaaay better than the leupold M3 single turn turret . Have no idea how they make the clicks so small yet positive feeling ( clicks are about 2.5 times finer than the M3 single turn - 1cm click on S&B vs about 1" on M3 turret )

2. Build quality is outstanding. You have to see the turrets off to appreciate the machine work and precison ( like a watch )

3. Optical quality is outstanding . This scope pissed me off because I could see the targets clearer than my spotting scope ! Could't have that so it "Made" me buy a new spotting scope !

4. Parallax ( 3rd turret ) adjustment better than the Leupold

Things you will not like with PMII

1. Cost - they are ridiculously overpriced now ( pricing has increased significantly over the past couple years ) About $2500 for PMII vs $1000 to $1500 for the NSX and Leupold

2. Front focal plane recticle. Good if you range with mil dot . Not the greatest for shooting paper a long ranges

BTW the USMC and Canadian forces new issue sniper rifles both chose to go with PMIIs . Not to say the other contenders are bad choices ( quite the opposite the USO is outstanding products ) but just useless trivia


MAGNIFICATION

That question all depends on what you are doing with it. For real world stuff like hunting the 10 to 12 power is ideal ( 15 with NSX )

If you like long range target shooting you can't go wrong with the 22 -24 power .



Thanks for the info. I would really like to get one of the PMIIs, but just don't have the $2500 to spend...

-C4-
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:51:19 AM EDT
Why not the 5.5-22x50? Better cheek weld and you don't necessarily need 32x mag for a .308.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:46:48 PM EDT
I would not go more than the 5.5-22x50 Nightforce for an AR-10. In my opinion 20x is border line to much magnification when it comes to the mirage after a few rounds and 5.5x gives a pretty limited FOV for a semi-auto.

I would recomend the Nightforce 3.5-15x50 for a more balanced scope/rifle combo.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:14:09 PM EDT
Nightforce NEEDS to come out with a 3.5-15x40. For the AR you need a small objective but still want to gather light. USO makes one. Leupy makes one. NF should make one. I have owned the NF2-10 and the IOR2-12 and both of them are good scopes. I like the adj. objective with the IOR. Both tracked well and had positive clicks. Mike from CS Gunworks is a top notch guy to deal with. Good luck.
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