Is the Accupoint's reticule etched?

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Posted: 1/16/2006 8:10:37 AM EDT

I was wondering if the Accupoint's reticule was etched? In other words, when the shooter is in a darkened room and looking out side, is the reticule still visible but instead of being bright red or yellow, it is gray or black? I have a TA31 that works in the manner described and want to know if the Accupoint functions in the same fashion under similar conditions.

Thank you.

Posted: 1/16/2006 8:47:13 AM EDT

[#1]

From what I understand, the Accupoint reticle is actually the fiber optic line that runs from the occular bell, up into the scope, is folded and cut at a 45 degree angle to expose the inner part of the line, and then run back down the the reticle. That's why Accupoints have the two heavy black lines running up to the point. So, no, it's not an etched reticle like the ACOG series. But, it does black out when there is not enough light, so it looks like a black point.

Posted: 1/16/2006 11:57:05 AM EDT

[#2]

Funny... judging from your last two threads, you and I must be doing the same build

My TR21r should be here this week, and I hope to order that PRi tube when funds permit.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:16:23 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Funny... judging from your last two threads, you and I must be doing the same build

My TR21r should be here this week, and I hope to order that PRi tube when funds permit.

Actually, I'm working on (2) different ARs.

The rifle I'm looking at a PRI for is wearing a TA-31, at least for now. The TR-21 might replace/supplement an Aimpoint with magnifier. I'm researching all my options right now.

BWhalen, thanks for the reply. You do own an Accupoint, correct?

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:27:39 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
I was wondering if the Accupoint's reticule was etched? In other words, when the shooter is in a darkened room and looking out side, is the reticule still visible but instead of being bright red or yellow, it is gray or black? I have a TA31 that works in the manner described and want to know if the Accupoint functions in the same fashion under similar conditions.

Thank you.

It is not an etched reticle. It's basically how BWhalen described.

However, it may not be totally black when in a darkened room looking into a more well lit area. The tritium will still illuminate it depending on the conditions. If the well lit area you are looking into is bright enough it will be black, but if it's only slightly more well lit and you are in total black you will see the tritium illuminating it.

I took two pictures of my TR21R.

This first one shows it with the fiber optics illuminating the reticle. If I were to close the "shutter" on the fiber optics it would be totally black in this situation.

This next one shows what it looks like in a totally darkened room, looking into a slightly more well lit room. If you were looking into a brightly lit area from total darkness I'd imagine that the reticle would be black as the tritium glow wouldn't be bright enough to notice against the bright background.

Hope this helps.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:32:41 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I was wondering if the Accupoint's reticule was etched? In other words, when the shooter is in a darkened room and looking out side, is the reticule still visible but instead of being bright red or yellow, it is gray or black? I have a TA31 that works in the manner described and want to know if the Accupoint functions in the same fashion under similar conditions.

Thank you.

It is not an etched reticle. It's basically how BWhalen described.

However, it may not be totally black when in a darkened room looking into a more well lit area. The tritium will still illuminate it depending on the conditions. If the well lit area you are looking into is bright enough it will be black, but if it's only slightly more well lit and you are in total black you will see the tritium illuminating it.

I took two pictures of my TR21R.

This first one shows it with the fiber optics illuminating the reticle. If I were to close the "shutter" on the fiber optics it would be totally black in this situation.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/samjham/DSCN9419.jpg

This next one shows what it looks like in a totally darkened room, looking into a slightly more well lit room. If you were looking into a brightly lit area from total darkness I'd imagine that the reticle would be black as the tritium glow wouldn't be bright enough to notice against the bright background.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/samjham/DSCN9420.jpg

Hope this helps.

Great post followed by a great addition.

I'll second the ambient light influence on the reticule. In daylight the blocked out fiberoptics show the operator a black triangle atop the black towers. Do the same in a dark room and once your eyes adjust, you'll notice the tritium.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:32:56 PM EDT

[#6]

Thank you for reposting those pics NewbHunter. I recall seeing those in another thread.

I can get my ACOG (it's about 2.5-3 yrs old) to black out under some conditions, especially when using a Surefire light. I don't mind the darkened reticule as long as I can see the point.

BTW, those pics were shot with the Accupoint at 1.25X mag, correct?

Hokie, heck I remember asking you a question about this optic over a year ago! I need to get off my butt and just get one already. I'm just so tight a$$ed with my money sometimes.

The rifle I'm looking at this for has Aimpoint and magnifier right now but I'm starting to grow less fond of it. I've looked into getting a Samson flip mount for the magnifier but it seems like I would just end up with an overly complicated set-up.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:35:16 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Thank you for reposting those pics NewbHunter. I recall seeing those in another thread.

I can get my ACOG (it's about 2.5-3 yrs old) to black out under some conditions, especially when using a Surefire light. I don't mind the darkened reticule as long as I can see the point.

All about contrast, in some cases that blackened reticule is preferrable.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:47:49 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Thank you for reposting those pics NewbHunter. I recall seeing those in another thread.

I can get my ACOG (it's about 2.5-3 yrs old) to black out under some conditions, especially when using a Surefire light. I don't mind the darkened reticule as long as I can see the point.

BTW, those pics were shot with the Accupoint at 1.25X mag, correct?

Hokie, heck I remember asking you a question about this optic over a year ago! I need to get off my butt and just get one already. I'm just so tight a$$ed with my money sometimes. The rifle I'm looking at this for has Aimpoint and magnifier right now but I'm starting to grow less fond of it. I've looked into getting a Samson flip mount for the magnifier but it seems like I would just end up with an overly complicated set-up.

Yes, that was at 1.25x.

I don't know where in IL you are, but if you ever come up to WI for a Defensive Edge shoot or a Driftless club shoot you can try mine out. Check the WI hometown forum if you're interested.

We'll be doing a shoot at Yellowstone range, which is pretty close to the IL border, in February also.

Posted: 1/16/2006 12:54:52 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Thank you for reposting those pics NewbHunter. I recall seeing those in another thread.

I can get my ACOG (it's about 2.5-3 yrs old) to black out under some conditions, especially when using a Surefire light. I don't mind the darkened reticule as long as I can see the point.

BTW, those pics were shot with the Accupoint at 1.25X mag, correct?

Hokie, heck I remember asking you a question about this optic over a year ago! I need to get off my butt and just get one already. I'm just so tight a$$ed with my money sometimes. The rifle I'm looking at this for has Aimpoint and magnifier right now but I'm starting to grow less fond of it. I've looked into getting a Samson flip mount for the magnifier but it seems like I would just end up with an overly complicated set-up.

That TR21 package is a sweet set up. If I didn't have a few other AR's set up for CQB drills & courses I'd be putting an low power Accupoint on my AR. I use a TA31A now and love it on my midlength. That 1-4 spread on the TR21 is nice though. I actually run my 3X9 Accupoint with the fiber optics closed most of the time, especially when I'm trying to pinpoint the top of the triangle. Sometimes it gets so bright it turns into a 'blur.' Since I have my 3X9 on my deer rifle, the only time I ever use the fiber optic option is when I'm walking or stalking. If I'm in a deer stand or sitting somewhere, I turn it off.

Posted: 1/16/2006 1:01:10 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Thank you for reposting those pics NewbHunter. I recall seeing those in another thread.

I can get my ACOG (it's about 2.5-3 yrs old) to black out under some conditions, especially when using a Surefire light. I don't mind the darkened reticule as long as I can see the point.

BTW, those pics were shot with the Accupoint at 1.25X mag, correct?

Hokie, heck I remember asking you a question about this optic over a year ago! I need to get off my butt and just get one already. I'm just so tight a$$ed with my money sometimes. The rifle I'm looking at this for has Aimpoint and magnifier right now but I'm starting to grow less fond of it. I've looked into getting a Samson flip mount for the magnifier but it seems like I would just end up with an overly complicated set-up.

That TR21 package is a sweet set up. If I didn't have a few other AR's set up for CQB drills & courses I'd be putting an low power Accupoint on my AR. I use a TA31A now and love it on my midlength. That 1-4 spread on the TR21 is nice though. I actually run my 3X9 Accupoint with the fiber optics closed most of the time, especially when I'm trying to pinpoint the top of the triangle. Sometimes it gets so bright it turns into a 'blur.' Since I have my 3X9 on my deer rifle, the only time I ever use the fiber optic option is when I'm walking or stalking. If I'm in a deer stand or sitting somewhere, I turn it off.

I'll agree with that. Any kind of distance shooting, I usually close the shutter because there is a slight blur and it's harder to make out the pin point of the triangle. That is unless my target is really dark. For CQB I turn it on as the slight blur is meaningless. It's not as bad as my pics show, I think that was more my camera, but the blur is there a little bit.

Posted: 1/16/2006 3:50:42 PM EDT

[#11]

Thank you for the offer NewbHunter. If I'm ever up that way before I get an Accupoint, I'll be sure to look you up.

I know it's a good optic. At this point, I just need to think some more on which way to go - with the Aimpoint and magnifier or Accupoint. If I had one more AR that I could set up just for CQB, I wouldn't even have to think about it.

Posted: 1/16/2006 3:59:54 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Thank you for the offer NewbHunter. If I'm ever up that way before I get an Accupoint, I'll be sure to look you up.

I know it's a good optic. At this point, I just need to think some more on which way to go - with the Aimpoint and magnifier or Accupoint. If I had one more AR that I could set up just for CQB, I wouldn't even have to think about it.

And therein lies your answer Matt

Posted: 1/16/2006 4:22:52 PM EDT

[#13]

Ha! I saw that coming a mile away. Assuming I decide to get the Accupoint, I imagine things going down like this:

- Get the Accupoint.
- Sell the Aimpoint magnifier because I don't need it.
- Get a 14.5" upper to use on one of my exisiting lowers.
- I get sick of swapping uppers and realize yet again that complete rifles are always better.
- Get a lower with a Magpul CTR stock (because I'll have to try one you know).

6 months later, I have yet another AR. I've been down that road before my friend. I drive it with my eyes closed. A classic example of EBRD relapse.

Posted: 1/16/2006 4:27:10 PM EDT

[#14]

lol...

admitting you have a problem is the first step to rehabilitation. Fortunately, BRD Rule#231 states the addict is allowed a half dozen relapses before issued a frontal lobotomy - the only known cure outside of being banned.

Hey at least you have your map of financial self destruction laid out!

So will you be getting the red or amber reticule?

Posted: 1/16/2006 5:31:35 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
So will you be getting the red or amber reticule?

That's a good question. While I naturally gravitate towards a red reticule, my research here has indicated that yellow is better for low light use due to the fact that the yellow reticule is inherently brighter than the red version.

I'm not worried about the color of the reticule in daylight. I know either color will be bright enough. It's the low light I worry about. Now it's not like I do much if any night time shooting but ya never know.

Posted: 1/16/2006 6:16:02 PM EDT

[#16]

For that reason I'd suggest you go with the red. I have an amber on my 3X9 and love it, but then again it's my deer rifle (Browning A-Bolt 270) and the amber contrasts superbly with my terrain. In fact the last color reticule I'd want would be red. But if I had to add the shooting venues often envisioned with the almighty AR15, I think the red would serve you better. Keep in mind with the Accupoint you also get those two black towers that make for a great reference when snap shooting or employing the BAC concept. Anyway, as you already know, it's all about contrast and recognition of the triangle as you look past the scope to your target. You can't go wrong with either!

The last two deer I shot were taken solely because the BAC concept - I'd have missed them otherwise and my freezer would be empty....thanks to Trijicon, it ain't!

Posted: 1/16/2006 7:01:07 PM EDT

[#17]

OT sorry, but could somebody post a pic of what a reticle looks like in complete darkness, mine seems really dull, but I'd like to compare....
Thanks

Posted: 1/17/2006 4:58:25 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
OT sorry, but could somebody post a pic of what a reticle looks like in complete darkness, mine seems really dull, but I'd like to compare....
Thanks

The darker picture I posted above is with my Accupoint in near complete darkness and the shutter closed, so what you see is the tritium illuminating.

I seem to remember another thread a while ago where someone had a really dull reticle and they sent it in to Trijicon. I turned out it was defective and they fixed it for them. From what I've heard Trijicon has very good service, so your best bet is probably just to give them a call.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:13:25 AM EDT

[#19]

Alright, I pulled the trigger and just placed an order with G&R Tactical for a TR-21R with a Larue SPR-EER mount. Now I'll have to dig up the box for the Aimpoint magnifier and stick it on the EE along with the Larue M68 CCO mount for it.

Thank you again for all the input. It helped to finally push me over the edge and buy the thing. To be more specific, NewbHunter's pics, which I have seen before, really drove home how the scope will work at 1.25X. In those images, the magnification is barely noticeable. I kind of knew this but as they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:16:42 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Alright, I pulled the trigger and just placed an order with G&R Tactical for a TR-21R with a Larue SPR-EER mount. Now I'll have to dig up the box for the Aimpoint magnifier and stick it on the EE along with the Larue M68 CCO mount for it.

Thank you again for all the input. I helped to finally push me over the edge and buy the thing. To be more specific, NewbHunter's pics, which I have seen before, really drove home how the scope will work at 1.25X. In those images, the magnification is barely noticeable. I kind of knew this but as they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

lol...good....for a minute there I thought I was gonna take the heat for your purchase.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:25:25 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Alright, I pulled the trigger and just placed an order with G&R Tactical for a TR-21R with a Larue SPR-EER mount. Now I'll have to dig up the box for the Aimpoint magnifier and stick it on the EE along with the Larue M68 CCO mount for it.

Thank you again for all the input. It helped to finally push me over the edge and buy the thing. To be more specific, NewbHunter's pics, which I have seen before, really drove home how the scope will work at 1.25X. In those images, the magnification is barely noticeable. I kind of knew this but as they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

Glad my pictures were able to help you out. One thing I will tell you about the magnification is that it is more noticable at closer distances. Under 10 feet I seem to notice it more, but beyond that I don't seem to notice it much at all.

However, even though it is more noticable under 10 feet, when I use BAC it really doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:31:11 AM EDT

[#22]

Hokie, no worries. I take no heat for the money I spend. My money is my own.

Quoted:
Glad my pictures were able to help you out. One thing I will tell you about the magnification is that it is more noticable at closer distances. Under 10 feet I seem to notice it more, but beyond that I don't seem to notice it much at all.

However, even though it is more noticable under 10 feet, when I use BAC it really doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

I hear ya Newb. I normally don't shoot the AR (16" middie) that this is going at distances of less than 25 yds anyway. It's all relative to the distance of the target. It will also be nice to get another BAC optic in addition to my TA31.

I have a feeling if I really like the TR-21R, I will be getting a TR-20R for my 20" AR and a TR-22R for my Remington bolt action .308. The concept of the TR series is very sound.

Posted: 1/17/2006 1:14:12 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
I was wondering if the Accupoint's reticule was etched? In other words, when the shooter is in a darkened room and looking out side, is the reticule still visible but instead of being bright red or yellow, it is gray or black? I have a TA31 that works in the manner described and want to know if the Accupoint functions in the same fashion under similar conditions.

Thank you.

Matt if it helps my leupold 1-4X20 does the same thing you describe, but as far as I know the retical is not etched. My IOR will do the same thing, it is etched......

ETA: just saying I think Etched or not it's going to do that.

Posted: 1/17/2006 3:48:52 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Matt if it helps my leupold 1-4X20 does the same thing you describe, but as far as I know the retical is not etched. My IOR will do the same thing, it is etched......

ETA: just saying I think Etched or not it's going to do that.

Thank you for the reply Photoman. I am admittedly not that deeply versed in the intricacies of magnified optics. I was hoping that the Accupoint's reticule would still be visible if the enviroment was overbright and my hopes were fulfilled.

Hopefully, I should have my TR-21R by the end of the week.

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