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Posted: 10/7/2005 6:50:30 PM EDT


Here is the link to the article. Also a nice little blurb about Leitner-Wise.

www.special-operations-technology.com/department.cfm?id=5

SpecterDR is a new dual role 1X and 4X combat sight that combines close and precision fire ranged combat features into a single, low profile dual-field-of-view sight. The combination allows soldiers to move through buildings and confined areas in a red dot mode and then instantly be able to switch to 4X in order to engage targets at extended ranges—out to about 600 meters—without changing sight.
Situational awareness in both magnifications is improved with ultra-wide viewing angles and low-light viewing conditions. Even so, the combination sight weighs less than carrying two sights and offers more inherent capability.
The sight is designed for use with the M4, M16, M249 and M240 weapons.

Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:56:44 PM EDT
Now that is cool
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 7:02:22 PM EDT
With a built in BUIS...
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 7:43:38 PM EDT
Looks like they carried over the external sighting adjustments of the ELCAN to this new design.

Bad decision...

Why not just go with a BDC reticle?
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 7:47:42 PM EDT
Sweet......now where between $1000-$2000 shall the price fall.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 8:04:52 PM EDT

tag - big ELCAN fan here


Link Posted: 10/7/2005 8:08:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
tag - big ELCAN fan here





Ditto.

Looks like a BDC-ish reticle to me.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 8:32:14 PM EDT
First thing I'll do when I get mine is loan it out to a little machine shop in Leander, TX.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 8:42:49 PM EDT
I LIKE it!!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:08:39 PM EDT
Yes I do believe that is THE CATS ASS !!!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:15:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 9:16:05 PM EDT by JaketheSnake]

Originally Posted By Stickman:
With a built in BUIS...



I MUST HAVE ONE!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:16:30 PM EDT
That thing looks freaking badass expensive.

Seriously, that looks killer.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:26:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
Sweet......now where between $1000-$2000 shall the price fall.




Probably closer to the 2K range
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:40:38 PM EDT

Probably closer to the 2K range



Gotta agree with you there. I keep fantasizing the Raytheon Exec staff in a meeting saying, "we need to keep this thing affordable to appeal to the big Army."

NOT!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:46:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:

Probably closer to the 2K range



Gotta agree with you there. I keep fantasizing the Raytheon Exec staff in a meeting saying, "we need to keep this thing affordable to appeal to the big Army."

NOT!



Absolutely nearer $2k. More in line with S&B short-dot. Essential a $1000 ACOG and $400 Aimpoint or Eotech in one sight. Easily way, way up there in price. It would be cool if the reticle could change from the 1x to 4x setting. A red dot on 1x and some sort of BDC when shifting over to 4x.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:01:16 PM EDT
This is something many have pestered Trijicon to do for a long time, alas ELCAN came out with it, along with its external adjustments. The robo-arms looking windage (if it's like the older ELCAN) thingie looks clumsy and heavy, whose bright idea was it to put the adjustment around and below the objective lens?
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:09:02 PM EDT
any idea when it will be available
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:44:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:47:18 PM EDT
WOW! THATS SWEET!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 11:34:41 PM EDT
The one they have right now weighs.....28 oz.s

They're working on a diet plan.

Simon
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 11:44:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 12:50:36 AM EDT
How does that look like a cat's ass?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:27:14 AM EDT
Now that is cool.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 2:56:43 AM EDT
Schweet.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 3:42:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
tag - big ELCAN fan here





Ditto.

Looks like a BDC-ish reticle to me.



Looks pretty interesting but from what I saw in that link I'm not too impressed with the reticle. Maybe it'll work better in real life but so far I don't think I'd get one.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 4:03:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 4:18:44 AM EDT by redfisher]

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
tag - big ELCAN fan here



Ditto.
Looks like a BDC-ish reticle to me.



Does this have an integrated laser range finder, or is that a demo tool offered for reference?

I think I know the answer, but based on that flash demo, it looks like a HUD range finder.

----which would be the nicer ass for the cat.



eta: I read in the .pdf, the weight was 575 grams, or 20.28 oz. - while that is twice the ACOG TA31 (10.9 oz.) it is dual purpose

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 4:19:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 4:24:16 AM EDT by SSeric02]
Based on their flash demo, I see nothing to indicate the reticle is in any way a ranging or BDC reticle. Nothing on it correspnds to any dimensions on the targets at any of the ranges. The reticle does appear to have something that resembles a scale (albeit very, very small scale) below the red dot at the center. But again, it doesn't match up to common dimensions on any of the targets presented in the flash demo at any range that would indicate it's purpose to be for ranging.

ETA: Nor does the reticle change size when the power is switched. Now, I may be reading to much into this flash demo. But, why else would they include the range finder at the top if not to show the user how the sight picture looks at those ranges.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 4:27:38 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 4:29:58 AM EDT
No batteries required............right?

couldn't find reference one way or another
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 4:40:09 AM EDT
BUT !!!!!!!! will they hold up on the top of a .499 L-W ???
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:17:15 AM EDT
God knows I can't afford one... but I hope you boys go out and buy them and hand your Eotechs over to me.





Very cool system!


- BG
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:36:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By POF-USA:


Just a simple throw of the lever to change from
1X to 4X. We handled the Spectrum DR sight system for about a week.
They come with a 3" eye relief, iron back up sights, throw lever mounts,
bullet drop compensator with luminated dot, and the instant ability to go
from 1X to 4X on the move with a throw of the lever.
...They will be priced for about what the ACOG sell for.
.



Yeah baby Exactly what us 3-gunner has been bugging Trijicon for! and if it is priced in the ACOG TA11 range, I'd have to sell something
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:43:00 AM EDT
This looks pretty good.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:53:32 AM EDT
mine mine mine ... all mine
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:59:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
tag - big ELCAN fan here



Ditto.
Looks like a BDC-ish reticle to me.



Does this have an integrated laser range finder, or is that a demo tool offered for reference?

I think I know the answer, but based on that flash demo, it looks like a HUD range finder.

----which would be the nicer ass for the cat.



eta: I read in the .pdf, the weight was 575 grams, or 20.28 oz. - while that is twice the ACOG TA31 (10.9 oz.) it is dual purpose




Does the ACOG weight include the weight of a flattop mount?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 6:06:45 AM EDT
Run time, anyone?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 7:36:55 AM EDT
If you factor in the tradeoff in weight of a flattop mount and BUIS, the weight doesn't seem that bad, unless you've already got 10 extra lbs. of tactical crap hanging off your rifle...
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 7:48:08 AM EDT
I believe the BUIS on the scope can't be compared to the set mounted on the rifle itself.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 7:51:01 AM EDT
This scope sounds pretty cool. I did not like, and ended up taking off the Elcan scope that was on my 240G in Iraq. It seemed a lot harder to use than the iron sights, especially from a vehicle.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:02:28 AM EDT
No one has addressed the important questions:

When is it supposed to be out?
Who is carrying it?
How much?
Can it be pre-ordered?


Please Lord don't let this be Shrike-like vaporware!



PS, I can't believe no one has commented about the ARMS throw levers yet.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:43:18 AM EDT
I spoke with someone in the know. It MAY be available to limited users by SHOT 2006. The price is $1600'ish to defence industry types. I am sure the regular folk will pay a premium as they trickle down.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:36:03 AM EDT
What MOA is the red dot? How is it illuminated? Could you fit a BUIS behind it?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:59:08 AM EDT
Looks like it has its own BUIS on top.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 12:18:30 PM EDT
The BUIS is only for heavy rain/emergency. BUIS should co-witness. Powered by one of those coin shaped batteries. I have no idea how long it lasts, but keep in mind, the Doctor sight uses a similar battery that lasts for 6 years.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 12:19:33 PM EDT
I am not sure if the eye releif it is set for would allow a BUIS.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:01:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:
The BUIS is only for heavy rain/emergency. BUIS should co-witness. Powered by one of those coin shaped batteries. I have no idea how long it lasts, but keep in mind, the Doctor sight uses a similar battery that lasts for 6 years.



I believe the Aimpoint as well..50,000 hours or something along those lines. If I have my optic on for 2000+ full days I'm either dead or in a boatload of return fire trouble.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:01:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 1:04:00 PM EDT by redfisher]

Originally Posted By Redfisher

I read in the .pdf, the weight was 575 grams, or 20.28 oz. - while that is twice the ACOG TA31 (10.9 oz.) it is dual purpose




Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery

Does the ACOG weight include the weight of a flattop mount?


I don't think so, OLY.

I got that directly from the Trijicon site, where it lists the scope separate from the mounts.

See specifications here
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:11:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

PS, I can't believe no one has commented about the ARMS throw levers yet.



Have you been over --------------------->HERE?

I didn't think the ARMS bashing was warranted there.........or here.

But a lot of folks are polarized on that point.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 2:20:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:
Have you been over --------------------->HERE?

I didn't think the ARMS bashing was warranted there.........or here.

But a lot of folks are polarized on that point.


That was the reason I brought it up.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 2:42:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By Redfisher

I read in the .pdf, the weight was 575 grams, or 20.28 oz. - while that is twice the ACOG TA31 (10.9 oz.) it is dual purpose




Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery

Does the ACOG weight include the weight of a flattop mount?


I don't think so, OLY.

I got that directly from the Trijicon site, where it lists the scope separate from the mounts.

See specifications here



If the Trijicon's are weighed without their flat top adapaters, and the ELCAN is weighed with it's the weight difference shrinks pretty signifigantly.

Just wondering............................................
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 7:21:06 PM EDT
THAT WOULD LOOK AWESOME ON MY M240







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