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Posted: 10/7/2003 11:59:26 AM EDT
I'd like to know if you guys have any tricks for aiming in the near pitch black with just plain iron sights? What kind of groups can be expected in the extremely low light?

I am looking for a way to make irons more effective at night without throwing off my POI (tritrium sights). And without making daytime shooting annoying. Would any of you recommend painting the tip of the front sight post?

TIA
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 12:46:12 PM EDT
In my experience. It's nearly impossible to use the iron sights in near to total darkness. The best you could hope for is close range point shooting. However, with a tactical flashlight mounted to your AR the sights and the target show up perfectly with the light on. I got to try this out for real the other night, when a skunk infiltrated our home(carport). There was very little light (moonlight) and I could not see the sights at all. When I flipped on the flashlight, I could see the sights perfectly and two glowing eyes looking at me. Well I lined 'em up and blammo, a perfect shot that couldn't have happen without the assistance of a high intensity flashlight. BTW, I shot it with a 10/22 not an AR. [:)] You still won't be able to see a painted tip and it will probably mess up your daytime shooting too. A nice mounted flashlight is all I can offer.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 5:52:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wyv3rn: What kind of groups can be expected in the extremely low light?
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Poor ones! Your best bet is to mount a light on it if you want to see your sights and identify the target.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 6:03:35 PM EDT
In jungle type darkness, our troops have used a white string tied from the rear sight to the front so they could have a ref. for return fire and it worked. To realy aim, you can't. Good shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 6:11:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdtk: In jungle type darkness, our troops have used a white string tied from the rear sight to the front so they could have a ref. for return fire and it worked. To realy aim, you can't. Good shootin, Jack
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Cool little trick! I learn something new here everyday! Thanks Jack!
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 6:16:58 PM EDT
[url]http://www.trijicon-inc.com/[/url]
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 7:23:33 PM EDT
Tritium night sights and a tac light. Those are your options for irons at night.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 7:33:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdtk: In jungle type darkness, our troops have used a white string tied from the rear sight to the front so they could have a ref. for return fire and it worked. To realy aim, you can't. Good shootin, Jack
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Excellent, this is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! Thank you all for your input, I have no budget right now and wanted to see if there was a low-tech way of helping out in low-light.
Link Posted: 10/8/2003 2:17:27 PM EDT
Put a 1/2" piece of good olde medic supplied white tape on the back of the front sight forging just below the sight itself. Assuming your nose can still find the charging handle in the dark your aiming point is just above the white smudge. String falls off, tape rarely. -- Chuck
Link Posted: 10/8/2003 2:38:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chuck: Put a 1/2" piece of good olde medic supplied white tape on the back of the front sight forging just below the sight itself. Assuming your nose can still find the charging handle in the dark your aiming point is just above the white smudge. String falls off, tape rarely. -- Chuck
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Thank you, I'll try that. Should certainly be easier to spot than a painted sight post tip. Using the string & tape together might work out pretty nice.
Link Posted: 10/8/2003 4:01:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2003 4:04:46 PM EDT by FREEFALLE6]
watch the tracers [:D] but really we used our PAQ4 Irons are useless unless everything else fails. FREE
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 12:42:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6: Irons are useless unless everything else fails.
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That's what they're for. [;)]
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 6:34:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tweak:
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6: Irons are useless unless everything else fails.
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That's what they're for. [;)]
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Right now, they're all I've got, but that's ok I love'm! [:)]
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 6:58:04 AM EDT
CLOSE YOUR EYES ....and PRAY
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 7:01:18 AM EDT
Combat light is your best option. illuminate and move never fight in the same location. once target is ID, light on fire and light off and move. take a low light fighting class it can save your life no matter if you are civy or LEO. bad guys always hide in the darkest corner.
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 7:24:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bvmjethead: [url]http://www.trijicon-inc.com/[/url]
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Link Posted: 10/9/2003 10:00:03 AM EDT
I take it none of you qualified on the night fire when you ranged? That was shooting at a target with a small LED blinking at you. Yeah I know, it was only 10 and 25 mtrs. To answer the original question you wrap your rifle sling around your left forearm so tightly that it will not allow the front of the rifle to move unless your arm does. This forces the front sight to basicly be an extention of your body. You use the large aperture and stay focused, always looking thru the peep sight. Scan your peripheral at miniscule changes in lighting. This allows you to be sure your front sight post is centered and your reference is still correct. Then its learning time. Now you know why the M68 is worth its weight in gold. Dot on target, gently sqeeeeze!
Link Posted: 10/9/2003 10:31:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2003 10:40:38 PM EDT by Tweak]
I wish that I had the Trijicon sights on my M16 that I now have on my GM. I remember night live fire defences and the majority of that fire, even with arty/mortar flares, was just for looks. With the Triji sights if I can ID the tgt I can hit it. I've had to darken the lamps on the rear ap with a marker but besides that they've worked perfectly.
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