M-4 flat-top and Aimpoint ML2 and ARMS #38 setup...

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - M-4 flat-top and Aimpoint ML2 and ARMS #38 setup...

Posted: 9/13/2003 9:23:54 AM EDT

Have a flat top M4 upper and need a good way to mount my new Aimpoint that is on the way. Is the ARMS #38S-EX w/flip sight a good choice that allows co-witness of the aimpoint, plus the ability to place the aimpoint a bit out further in front of the shooter? i want to primarily use the aimpoint for most shooting, but like the idea of having a flip-up rear sight just in case the red dot hickups...

any users or RKI's input is appreciated...

Posted: 9/13/2003 10:07:21 AM EDT

[#1]

I did almost the same thing and am very pleased with how it works. Only thing that I did differently was to use the shorter sleeve (stops flush with the forward end of the receiver). If your dot quits you can use the iron sights by looking right through the Aimpoint. Solid and looks good, you can't go wrong with this setup. SWAN products are top-notch.

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Forgot to tell you that the ring I used was the ARMS #22-M68, solid as a rock also.

Posted: 9/13/2003 12:32:40 PM EDT

[#2]

thanks for the input rocket man. i also forgot about the #22-M68, as i wanted to get one of those so i can easily remove the aimpoint for cleaning the rifle. i may go with a slightly longer version of the #38 than yours (i think they make one in-between the one i mentioned and the one you have) as i think that will get the aimpoint out far enough for my needs.

do you know how well the aimpoint comes back to zero when removing and installing with the #22-M68?

Posted: 9/13/2003 1:34:05 PM EDT

[#3]

Hello Burnsome, the model between the #38S-EX and the #38 is the #38EX. Do you have the double heat shield M4 HG's? If so I think there is a small issue with the #38EX and #38S-EX not fitting. If I am wrong someone please correct me. I have never had any problems with repeat zero, but I believe others have. Your choices are very good IMHO...

C4

Posted: 9/13/2003 1:42:31 PM EDT

[#4]

thanks CS - nope, no M4 large handguards on my upper, so i think the intermediate unit you mention will be my choice. i have fobus handguards with their forward handle on the bottom. they are no bigger than standard handguards...

my aimpoint is on the way, so cant wait to get a mount system for it.

thanks again....

Posted: 9/13/2003 1:45:02 PM EDT

[#5]

Here's another option, the #40, #22M68, and a cantilever riser for the #22M68:
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=14791[/img]
It allows for cowitness, gets the AimPoint out front, and allows enough room for any handguards.

Posted: 9/13/2003 1:57:35 PM EDT

[#6]

woah there treetop - that looks pretty sharp. how is it with return to zero????

like i said above, i take my optics off for cleaning and need something that is easy to take on and off plus keeps zero or at least very close to zero....

Posted: 9/13/2003 2:07:26 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
woah there treetop - that looks pretty sharp. how is it with return to zero????

like i said above, i take my optics off for cleaning and need something that is easy to take on and off plus keeps zero or at least very close to zero....

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It's been great with return to zero, I haven't noticed any problems at all. I'm currently using an ML2 instead of the bluish M2 in the pic, it's been a great setup.

Posted: 9/13/2003 2:38:46 PM EDT

[#8]

Good looking setup Treetop!

C4

Posted: 9/13/2003 2:51:30 PM EDT

[#9]

The Cantilever 22M68 rules. Why put on the extra weight of the full 38 rail when its not needed. Ive had perfect return to zero with the ARMS mount.

[img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=24926&iGalleryUnq=235&iImageUnq=12668[/img]

Posted: 9/13/2003 6:09:45 PM EDT

[#10]

what is the ARMS model designation of your cantilivier mount>?

Posted: 9/13/2003 6:33:02 PM EDT

[#11]

The spacer is ordered seperately from the ARMS 22M68 throw lever ring. You can order a spacer for it, which comes in half, full or cantilever, none of which have a model number.

Posted: 9/13/2003 7:59:43 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
The spacer is ordered seperately from the ARMS 22M68 throw lever ring. You can order a spacer for it, which comes in half, full or cantilever, none of which have a model number.

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This is correct.
The ones I have are labeled on the bag "ARMS Item #22M68 AimPoint Comp. Extension".
The full spacers are labeled the same, except "modular spacer" instead of "extension". I don't have any half spacers in stock to compare but I think they're labeled "half spacer" without a numerical designation.

Posted: 9/14/2003 7:06:19 AM EDT

[#13]

thanks treetop/lumpy - but i must admit i'm still a bit confused. i guess i need to look at ARMS website to see if they show the picture of it anywhere. was unable to find it yesterday. so to order exactly what you have for your aimpoint, you need a #22M68 AimPoint Comp. Extension PLUS a #22M68 throw lever ring?

Posted: 9/14/2003 10:45:25 AM EDT

[#14]

Burnsome-
The #22M68 is one part, it includes the throwlever that mounts to the rail and the ring that mounts around the AimPoint.
The Cantilever spacer is a separate part, the #22M68 comes apart and the spacer mounts between the two halves of the #22M68. The spacer includes 3 new screws also.

Posted: 9/14/2003 11:23:39 AM EDT

[#15]

oh, ok Treetop -

thanks for explaining.

Posted: 9/14/2003 1:31:34 PM EDT

[#16]

Good explanation TREETOP!

C4

Posted: 9/15/2003 5:13:25 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
thanks treetop/lumpy - but i must admit i'm still a bit confused. i guess i need to look at ARMS website to see if they show the picture of it anywhere. was unable to find it yesterday. so to order exactly what you have for your aimpoint, you need a #22M68 AimPoint Comp. Extension PLUS a #22M68 throw lever ring?

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Their website is www.armsmounts.com, but they have to be one of the worst companies when it comes to keeping it updated with current items. Also, they pretty much only have their American weapon (M16, M14, SAW) products on the site. They don't display their HK, FAL, and other mounts at all.

Posted: 9/15/2003 5:44:33 AM EDT

[#18]

heres my setup, got it from wes at mstn. hes the best
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=10289[/img]

aimpoint mounted on 38 ex on a throw lever mount
cowitness is great with out a spacer i also have a trijicon tsn01nsn i can switch to without any problems

Posted: 9/15/2003 6:42:10 AM EDT

[#19]

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...aimpoint mounted on 38 ex on a throw lever mount
cowitness is great with out a spacer i also have a trijicon tsn01nsn i can switch to without any problems

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I've got one of my other ones set up almost exactly like that-
#38S-EX-MOD-L, #22M68, no spacer:
[img]http://www.cavalryarms.com/patrols/03.jpg[/img]
I've got an M900AB for a vert. grip, and a Cav Arms M4/SOCOM buttstock on mine- otherwise looks like yours.