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Posted: 6/25/2003 11:30:48 AM EDT
My co-worker has an AR15 with carry handle and wants to put a scope on it. The price range of the mounts that work with carry handles is from $12 - $150. I have no idea what is a good one so I'm hoping to get some opinions.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 1:09:44 PM EDT
From what I've seen the ARMS #2 takes top honors for a carry handle mount. Approx $59.00.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 1:11:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 1:14:49 PM EDT by Forest]
Arms mount is the best - but using any mount like that will put the scope way too high. Besides a really poor trajectory - he'll need a cheek piece to allow a comfortable cheek weld. Why not try a scope that is designed to be mounted to the carry handle instead? They mount lower which allows a better trajectory and they don't need a cheek piece (which allows the irons to still be available). The best one is the Compact ACOG with BAC. It does everyting and is available in a variey of powers and reticules - however its now retailing for $900. Next best would be real-deal Colt scope. You'll have to find it used. Say in the $150-$200 range. Next I'd say would be the 4x28mm version of the Colt Scope - as cloned by the Chineese. I like it better than the 21mm version. Cost is around $50. Nice thing is the mount is also improved over the 21mm version and it comes with a flattop adapter mount. Then there is the Leapers clone of the Colt scope 4x21. Fine for plinking or to see if you are interesting in buying a Colt scope. Biggest problem is the mount screws (there are 4 that hold the mount to the scope) will back out. LocTite them in place prior to the first use of the scope. Cost is $30-$40 There is another one currently available. Its a 4x unit made in China, styled to look like a CQ/T, and runs around $99. Never used one so I can't comment if its better than the 4x32 Colt clone.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 7:18:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 7:19:19 PM EDT by sgtmike]
I just got my ARMS #39A2 mounted on my Bushmaster. Depending on the type of scope your buddy is mounting on his rifle this mount deserves some serious consideration. It allows you to cowitness the iron sights with a red dot or low power/long eye relief scout scope. The best thing about the 39 is you ALWAYS shoulder and fire the rifle the same way. There is no changing of positions if you have a scope on the lower section. It also has an mount above the carry handle if you are so inclined to mount a scope there. Check with Pete at Legal Transfers on the Industry board for great prices on ARMS mounts too. Sarge
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 9:07:14 PM EDT
Here is the ARMS #39 with an Aimpoint saddled up in the #22M68 throw lever ring. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's sexy! [img]http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0RACz*5MTi4xPpMXj7jWBwCaO279RLpqUFuiT5EZjEAUf­WbarcYwejpBBujL6n0XTfc*CeWOvMwaSnQBUATcJLNMiY­bxzq9PNG8T2iDvcga8/Range%20018.jpg?dc=4675418926521696297[/img] [img]http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0TADYAlgVdg7V8emu5Gug*FPF39Q!*etGjq4kKZic47vz­Yr*3LnVkxd3a1!AuA2i587BCdpXG53eSGWPX3Yu9vB651­cNQsIFkdbWVOIq*EDZQZ6nR792XCw/AR10%20Stock1%20029.jpg?dc=4675418926445066127[/img]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:55:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tzyck: Here is the ARMS #39 with an Aimpoint saddled up in the #22M68 throw lever ring. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's sexy!
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To me it looks like HALF of the viewing area of your aimpoint is blocked by the carry handle and mount?!?!? You LIKE THAT? I guess to each their own.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 4:14:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 5:56:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By C4iGrant: His Aimpoint's viewing area is not blocked at all. It does appear that way though. His setup is probably the best way to co-witness an Aimpoint correctly. As someone else said, mouning a scope on top of a carry handle is not a good idea... C4
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Forgive me for being an ignorant fool, but how can that set up NOT block some of the "field of view" of the aimpoint? Unless you're superman and can see through the charging handle then the bottom half of the scope is blocked. Yea you can co-witness this way (why anyone wants to CW is beyond me) but the bottom half still looks blocked in my book. Please explain?!?!?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 6:05:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 6:12:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By C4iGrant: Co-witnessing is the always the best choice for a combat/home defense type weapon. C4
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Sorry about hi-jacking the thread but I have to ask this. Ok, then maybe you can explain WHY Co-witnessing is the best choice. I can't see why I would want to slow down my reaction time looking through iron sights to co-witness the red dot on a target when in a life threatening situation split seconds can mean the difference between life and death.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 9:20:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 1:13:25 PM EDT
DaPhotoGuy, Let me add my $0.02 I have an ARMS 39A2 on my Bushmaster shorty. I went with the 39 mount because I wanted to fire the weapon the same way every time. I did not want to train and practice with the sights and then with the optic. By cowitnessing I shoulder the gun and get the exact same position every time, using either the sights or optic. As for field of view, having any of the optic sides "blocked" is a moot point. The proper way to shoot using a red dot is to keep BOTH eyes open and place the dot on the target, but concentrating on the target. After a while the dot is just there and you don't even pay attention to the mount, carry handle or anything else. The bottom line is simplicity and repeatability. Sarge feel free to e-mail me if you have any other questions or comments.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:24:40 PM EDT
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