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Posted: 6/11/2003 4:05:26 PM EDT
I was wondering what the majority of you guys use, 6 o' clock or center of mass. I prefer center of mass, just wondering what everyone prefers.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:08:00 PM EDT
Prone --> CoM only way to go. Unless you are only a match shooter - then by all means do what ever works best for you to keep your groups tight...
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:07:13 PM EDT
I was hoping this was gonna be a poll. Lots of guys have read but only one guy replied.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 8:23:10 PM EDT
COM
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:52:09 PM EDT
At relatively short distances, center of mass is, in my opinion the way to go.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:52:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:54:35 PM EDT
COM
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:45:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:19:39 AM EDT
It's not the number of replies that matter, it's the content. You've got heavy weights voicing their opinions here, that counts much more than 200 replies from newbies [:)]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 7:02:16 AM EDT
COM.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:00:29 AM EDT
my newbie reply = COM every time
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:07:21 AM EDT
COM
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:40:12 AM EDT
COM
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 10:03:14 AM EDT
COM
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:02:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Duffy: It's not the number of replies that matter, it's the content. You've got heavy weights voicing their opinions here, that counts much more than 200 replies from newbies [:)]
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Let me clarify one thing for you. Some of us newbie's don't have the time to rack up post counts. Some of us are actually shooting our guns and honing our talents. Please don't paint newbie's with such a wide brush.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:18:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Duffy: It's not the number of replies that matter, it's the content. You've got heavy weights voicing their opinions here, that counts much more than 200 replies from newbies [:)]
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This "newby" only has 15 years experience shooting M-16s and aims for center mass.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:23:56 PM EDT
Center Mass. 6'clock is dinner time. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:10:43 PM EDT
COM, that's why they teach it in Basic Training. If you can't kill'em, at least criticaly wound 'em!
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:56:15 PM EDT
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You guys mistake "newbies" to mean people with low post counts. Newbies to me mean people who are new to AR15, not new ar15.com members. The brush with which I supposedly painted newbies exists with you, not me. Some folks use post counts as a measuring mechanism, not I. No clarification was necessary.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 4:33:33 AM EDT
Point of aim = Point of impact
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 5:35:55 AM EDT
COM without a doubt. I assumed Duffy meant newby shooters, not newby posters. I don't fit in either category [:)].
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 6:12:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Seth_Livzz: Point of aim = Point of impact
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This is how I set my sights too. I hold at Center Mass.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 6:42:14 AM EDT
So if you are aiming COM how are the sights zeroed? At 50 yards (Santose zero) what size black circle are you using? Are you then using a "Navy hold" to zero, since 6 o'clock is not used?
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 7:49:01 AM EDT
Thanks shadow. As in real life, it's the quality, not the length of time that really matters. In view of all the IBTL posts and folks that were in a hurry to up their post counts (for what, respect?), post counts should not be used to measure expertise or experience. When it comes to "newness" to AR15, I count myself as a relative newbie as well, because there are folks that are/were in the service of the armed forces that are vastly more knowledgable than I could ever hope to be.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 9:01:38 AM EDT
The only time I used 6 o'clock was on KD course Able target at 200m -- center mast all else off the KD. Say Stryker_11A, your avitar/pic is a bit tuff for me, but is that a 5-gun you've got there on an LPH of some sort? The view brings back some memories... SF, O'DubhGhaill [url=www.forcerecon.com]Force Recon Association[/url] regular member #2259
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 9:14:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sovereign: So if you are aiming COM how are the sights zeroed? At 50 yards (Santose zero) what size black circle are you using? Are you then using a "Navy hold" to zero, since 6 o'clock is not used?
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With an A2 sight, I zero at 100 yards with the sight on the 100 yard setting (or is it meters? been a while). The size of your circle shouldn't matter, since you are hitting your point of aim. I am not familiar with "Navy hold", but as someone mentioned before, 6 o'clock hold is only good for one size target at one set distance - great if you compete that way, but not practical for anything else.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 1:31:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By O_DubhGhaill: Say Stryker_11A, your avitar/pic is a bit tuff for me, but is that a 5-gun you've got there on an LPH of some sort? The view brings back some memories... SF, O'DubhGhaill [url=www.forcerecon.com]Force Recon Association[/url] regular member #2259
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LHD-1 USS Wasp, LF6F 3-95. As a REMF in the CE I was able to hook up the guys in 2nd Force alot, so they hooked me up whenever they pulled out their toys. This was one of the nicer ones. Gysgt Westfall, SSgt Moose, SSgt Stewart and SSgt Hoopii come to mind. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WQDdAucb2vv!rwMsAqANhH16p!XeNYeVLuIw32MLxKJu­3wgHkSTW8PcQglSEmB98RREsdJi5qqVj8KH984K!Jkr!K­BiLUGaUndtXPyOQScJuDxDztIlIfpowkWW2lCMAph9ysR­at3fg/Meu021.gif?dc=4675426163988691380[/img]
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:22:51 AM EDT
Posted by Shadowblade:
With an A2 sight, I zero at 100 yards with the sight on the 100 yard setting (or is it meters? been a while). The size of your circle shouldn't matter, since you are hitting your point of aim. I am not familiar with "Navy hold", but as someone mentioned before, 6 o'clock hold is only good for one size target at one set distance - great if you compete that way, but not practical for anything else
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So, for example, if your target circle is an 8" black at 100 yards/meters, is the circle sitting on top of the front sight post or is the front sight post situated in the center of the black (Navy hold)? If the target circle is on top of the front sight post do your shots land in the center of the black (6 O'Clock hold) or, I am assuming, at the bottom tangent of the circle?
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 7:32:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Originally Posted By O_DubhGhaill: Say Stryker_11A, your avitar/pic is a bit tuff for me, but is that a 5-gun you've got there on an LPH of some sort? The view brings back some memories... SF, O'DubhGhaill [url=www.forcerecon.com]Force Recon Association[/url] regular member #2259
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LHD-1 USS Wasp, LF6F 3-95. As a REMF in the CE I was able to hook up the guys in 2nd Force alot, so they hooked me up whenever they pulled out their toys. This was one of the nicer ones. Gysgt Westfall, SSgt Moose, SSgt Stewart and SSgt Hoopii come to mind. [url]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WQDdAucb2vv!rwMsAqANhH16p!XeNYeVLuIw32MLxKJu­3wgHkSTW8PcQglSEmB98RREsdJi5qqVj8KH984K!Jkr!K­BiLUGaUndtXPyOQScJuDxDztIlIfpowkWW2lCMAph9ysR­at3fg/Meu021.gif?dc=4675426163988691380[/url]
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Much better photo Stryker_11A. Never was on the Wasp, but spent some time on similar boats such as the Whidbey Island, Nash(Trash)ville, Inchon.... Damn, do I know Moose -- he was a team leader and later assistant platoon sergeant of mine back in time. Gunny Westfall sounds familiar and I believe I encountered a few Stewarts as well, but can't bring a face to mind. The 5-gun in '95 is right on -- I'll probably be catchin' up with Moose again next week to confirm, but I think that weapon has been relegated to the dark corners of the weapons cage at Force. Beautiful, wasn't it though? sovereign, your point of aim should be your point of impact within a few inches from 50 to 200 yd/m approximately. Here's a great article on how to accomplish that with an AR15: [url=http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/improvedbattlesightzero.msnw]An Improved Battlesight Zero for the M4 Carbine and M16A2 Rifle[/url] Back in January, I believe, I posted a link to a Marine Corps Gazette article by Gunny Dailey of 1st Force entitled: The M4 Carbine Is it for Everyone." I can no longer access that article in the Gazette's archives without payin' for it. It too, gave extremely valuable insight into the 50/200 yard BZO for the M4. Hope this helps. SF, Stryker_11A! O'DubhGhaill, out. [url=www.forcerecon.com]Force Recon Association[/url] regular member #2259
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