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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:15:01 AM EDT
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Anyone else have other issues with the E2 since?
I was running one of those new (and free) E2s that Nick gave me a but back and the follower was binding up. Emailed Nick about it and funny enough, an email bounced back saying Nick no longer works with Okay. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:50:51 AM EDT
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I've noticed the E2s have come back into availability again after everyone being OOS for months. I was tempted to pick up a few more, but decided against it considering all of the intrigue that has been swirling around about them. They are not especially cheap, and I've just heard too many negative things about them from too many people. I'll just stick to regular Okays, Lancers, PMags, and the steel ones. There's no real reason to have E2s except for the curiosity factor.
That's something about Nick. We don't know why he's not there anymore, of course, but it makes you wonder if it has something to do with the whole E2 mess. That whole thing was hinky. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 3:00:38 PM EDT
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I'm still seeing thousands of rounds per week through numerous different rifles with zero issues. I've only seen one Seekins Precision rifle since January have an issue with these mags.
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:20:01 PM EDT
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Anyone else have other issues with the E2 since? I was running one of those new (and free) E2s that Nick gave me a but back and the follower was binding up. Emailed Nick about it and funny enough, an email bounced back saying Nick no longer works with Okay. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:22:53 PM EDT
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I've noticed the E2s have come back into availability again after everyone being OOS for months. I was tempted to pick up a few more, but decided against it considering all of the intrigue that has been swirling around about them. They are not especially cheap, and I've just heard too many negative things about them from too many people. I'll just stick to regular Okays, Lancers, PMags, and the steel ones. There's no real reason to have E2s except for the curiosity factor. That's something about Nick. We don't know why he's not there anymore, of course, but it makes you wonder if it has something to do with the whole E2 mess. That whole thing was hinky. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:11:11 PM EDT
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I'm still seeing thousands of rounds per week through numerous different rifles with zero issues. I've only seen one Seekins Precision rifle since January have an issue with these mags. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even so, I don't know that they bring anything to the table that regular Okay mags don't. And the E2 costs more. And they are a nightmare to find, to boot. Although I'm guessing that they are better for M855A1 ammo? That being said, I'm not buying anymore. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:11:26 PM EDT
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I'm probably going to start switching over to FDE pmags from here on out. Unless, however, some solid deal comes down the pipe for OG Okay mags.
One other thing I've noticed is how Okay mags struggle with steel cased rounds. The internal tolerances are so tight, as additional Wolf WPA (for example) rounds are added, they eventually bind up between the two ribs that run on either side. |
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Posted: 10/1/2019 3:26:21 PM EDT
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Even so, I don't know that they bring anything to the table that regular Okay mags don't. And the E2 costs more. And they are a nightmare to find, to boot. Mag Okay Surefeed AR15 5.56 30rd Gry I just got their "back in stock" notification for the tan E2 mag - they are $10.20 ea after you add them to your cart: Mag Okay Surefeed E2 5.56 30rd FDE I don't plan to buy any more of the E2s myself. They're kind of interesting, but the standard mags are just fine for me. |
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Posted: 10/1/2019 3:35:37 PM EDT
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If they were $5 each, then we'd have a real debate on our hands. But, they cost more than regular Surefeeds and they are scarcer than hen's teeth. I just don't see the value they bring to the table over anything else in their price range.
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Posted: 10/2/2019 9:09:06 PM EDT
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For anyone interested in the next person in line to contact, other than non-existent Nick, here's what you're looking [email protected]
I did chuckle when she said it was company policy to determine if my state had a "high capacity magazine restriction" or not. I responded back stating Illinois does not have a magazine ban on STANDARD capacity magazines and that as a manufacturer, they should be helping correct the "misnomer," if you will, rather than exasperate what the news outlet refers to it as.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:49:12 AM EDT
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For anyone interested in the next person in line to contact, other than non-existent Nick, here's what you're looking [email protected] I did chuckle when she said it was company policy to determine if my state had a "high capacity magazine restriction" or not. I responded back stating Illinois does not have a magazine ban on STANDARD capacity magazines and that as a manufacturer, they should be helping correct the "misnomer," if you will, rather than exasperate what the news outlet refers to it as.... |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:20:59 AM EDT
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After reading this whole thread I have concluded that Gen3 Pmags are still the best.
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Posted: 11/27/2019 10:56:55 AM EDT
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I finally got around to testing some of these mags and I had no issues with the couple I tried.
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:58:19 PM EDT
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I finally got around to testing some of these mags and I had no issues with the couple I tried. |
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Posted: 12/2/2019 2:29:18 PM EDT
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After reading this whole thread I have concluded that Gen3 Pmags are still the best. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:27:30 PM EDT
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I have an E2 that I bought to play around with. I had it stored away, but I pulled it out today to examine. I took it apart to see if it was possible to put a Magpul follower in it. The Magpul does fit fine, but it looks like Okay is using a proprietary spring design with their blue follower. So, to use a Magpul follower, you'd have to replace the spring, too. I didn't test, but it looks like the E2 would fit a ranger plate fine.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:39:34 PM EDT
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Picked a few up to try also, no range time as of yet but DAMN hard to seat on a closed bolt with 30 in the box.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:45:03 PM EDT
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Picked a few up to try also, no range time as of yet but DAMN hard to seat on a closed bolt with 30 in the box. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:47:41 PM EDT
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I've actually heard of people downloading GI mags to 28 rounds for some reason... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Picked a few up to try also, no range time as of yet but DAMN hard to seat on a closed bolt with 30 in the box. 
I don't need to with my other USGI, not interested in starting now. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:02:46 PM EDT
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Novel idea. [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif[/ I don't need to with my other USGI, not interested in starting now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Picked a few up to try also, no range time as of yet but DAMN hard to seat on a closed bolt with 30 in the box. I don't need to with my other USGI, not interested in starting now. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 12:05:46 AM EDT
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That’s simply not true. Many USGI mags benefit from being downloaded a round or two to aid in seating a magazine on a closed bolt. Open/locked back bolt is not an issue typically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Picked a few up to try also, no range time as of yet but DAMN hard to seat on a closed bolt with 30 in the box. I don't need to with my other USGI, not interested in starting now. But yes, many do load to 28 to aid in seating with a closed bolt, I am aware. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 12:27:15 PM EDT
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I don't download my Okay's from 30 to 28, and I don't have any problems seating them. I am not a high volume shooter, I seldom do speed loads, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Maybe if you download your 30's to 21 rounds they will slide in real easy. 
I say use what works for you and what you like. I use 30 and 20 round Okays and have for many years. I also like Magpul gen 3's. There are lots of really good mags out there so find YOUR best. |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 11:17:42 AM EDT
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Wow. Glad I missed that band wagon. I shopped for a deal on these several times.
Funny that my much poo-poo'd D&H mags keep on running like gang busters through a stack of rifles. Did Okay hire Larry or some fucked up shit? |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 11:39:09 AM EDT
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Has Okat fixed the issues with the Surefeed E2's yet? I ordered 18 and while I haven't had enough ammunition or time to thoroughly test every single one, several have gives issues out of the batch and it seems at random. All mags are dated 03/19. Rifle being used Is a 16" SR-15 Mod 2, ammunition has all been quality, factory ammo.
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Posted: 1/21/2020 3:05:20 PM EDT
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I myself have had problems with the E2 mags. I own a couple I bought to try out and I’m glad I only purchase two of the E2 mags. I have Had nothing but problems out of five rifles while using these mags. Like you they run fine with 5-6 rounds but if loaded to full capacity they will cause problems just like you are experiencing.
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Posted: 1/21/2020 4:05:20 PM EDT
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I myself have had problems with the E2 mags. I own a couple I bought to try out and I’m glad I only purchase two of the E2 mags. I have Had nothing but problems out of five rifles while using these mags. Like you they run fine with 5-6 rounds but if loaded to full capacity they will cause problems just like you are experiencing. |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 8:26:20 PM EDT
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I myself have had problems with the E2 mags. I own a couple I bought to try out and I’m glad I only purchase two of the E2 mags. I have Had nothing but problems out of five rifles while using these mags. Like you they run fine with 5-6 rounds but if loaded to full capacity they will cause problems just like you are experiencing. I think in a few weeks, I'll use a couple of my E2s and report back. |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 8:29:43 PM EDT
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Has Okat fixed the issues with the Surefeed E2's yet? I ordered 18 and while I haven't had enough ammunition or time to thoroughly test every single one, several have gives issues out of the batch and it seems at random. All mags are dated 03/19. Rifle being used Is a 16" SR-15 Mod 2, ammunition has all been quality, factory ammo. What issues are you having? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 1:36:52 AM EDT
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Glad I found this thread. I was just looking at some from botach.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:43:38 AM EDT
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I had a lot of regular Surefeed 30s made in late '18 that would puke rounds into the upper if you weren't real careful on a reload and had several FTFeeds/double feeds.
Made my mind up that the only legit commercial mags are Pmag, Daniel Defense, Tango Down MK2. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:01:49 PM EDT
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I had a lot of regular Surefeed 30s made in late '18 that would puke rounds into the upper if you weren't real careful on a reload and had several FTFeeds/double feeds. Made my mind up that the only legit commercial mags are Pmag, Daniel Defense, Tango Down MK2. That being said, I must admit that Pmags work VERY well. I just hope they hold up long term. When you say Daniel Defense, do you mean the 32 rounders? I have one I got for free and I'm not that impressed. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:26:39 PM EDT
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Quality control must be slipping. Okays used to be excellent. All of mine ( non E2) are. That being said, I must admit that Pmags work VERY well. I just hope they hold up long term. When you say Daniel Defense, do you mean the 32 rounders? I have one I got for free and I'm not that impressed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a lot of regular Surefeed 30s made in late '18 that would puke rounds into the upper if you weren't real careful on a reload and had several FTFeeds/double feeds. Made my mind up that the only legit commercial mags are Pmag, Daniel Defense, Tango Down MK2. That being said, I must admit that Pmags work VERY well. I just hope they hold up long term. When you say Daniel Defense, do you mean the 32 rounders? I have one I got for free and I'm not that impressed. What do you not like about 'em? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. What do you not like about 'em? |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:39:09 AM EDT
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Yeah, DD mags are much more expensive and you don't really get anything for the bump up in cost. I've not really heard much good about them.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 9:11:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, DD mags are much more expensive and you don't really get anything for the bump up in cost. I've not really heard much good about them. I went back and looked and my bad Surefeeds were from '17. Been longer than I thought since I had an aluminum mag. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 10:11:22 AM EDT
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I have 2 DD mags I got for free from them and they both over inserted too easily with the bolt locked back and got jammed in 2 different DD rifles. I didn't insert them with what I'd call excessive force or with any more force than I usually do and I've never had that happen on any Magpul mag that doesn't have the over insertion stop. I got them about a year apart so its safe to say they weren't from the same batch. They were free so I just set them aside and never did actually use them. I like DD and think they make quality products, I'm just not a fan of their magazines.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:07:57 PM EDT
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I had a lot of regular Surefeed 30s made in late '18 that would puke rounds into the upper if you weren't real careful on a reload and had several FTFeeds/double feeds. Made my mind up that the only legit commercial mags are Pmag, Daniel Defense, Tango Down MK2. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 11:13:43 PM EDT
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Wait, what? I have quite a few Surefeeds from 2018 laying around. I've never heard of this problem before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a lot of regular Surefeed 30s made in late '18 that would puke rounds into the upper if you weren't real careful on a reload and had several FTFeeds/double feeds. Made my mind up that the only legit commercial mags are Pmag, Daniel Defense, Tango Down MK2. They were fine as long as you loaded pretty easy, but pop one in like normal and it would puke a round or two in the upper and cause a birdnested mess when you dropped the bolt. Got some double feeds while firing and deadlined the whole case and went to Gen M3s. That was a set of 10 or 12 mags that only had a couple cases of ammo through. Like each mag had been cycled less than 10 times. Feedlips measured and gaged good. At my house the day of the g.i. mag has passed. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 7:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it happened. They puked all in my LMT, Colt, buddies Colt, other buddies Daniel Defense, cousin's Colts. They were fine as long as you loaded pretty easy, but pop one in like normal and it would puke a round or two in the upper and cause a birdnested mess when you dropped the bolt. Got some double feeds while firing and deadlined the whole case and went to Gen M3s. That was a set of 10 or 12 mags that only had a couple cases of ammo through. Like each mag had been cycled less than 10 times. Feedlips measured and gaged good. At my house the day of the g.i. mag has passed. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 1:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you contacted Okay about it? That sounds really odd for Surefeeds. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 12:13:55 AM EDT
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Nope.
Done with aluminum mags. They're obsolete. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 3:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AFAIK, 3/19 are the latest batch. What issues are you having? |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 3:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a few that the follower seemed to bind towards the bottom of the mag. What I did was work the follower with a wooden paint stirrer a bunch of times. I think I mentioned this many pages earlier in this thread. I think in a few weeks, I'll use a couple of my E2s and report back. 1) I don't know if they would work with the different E2 spring 2) I shouldn't have to buy new followers for $12 mags with "new and improved" followers |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 8:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is interesting as I was thinking it may have been a follower issue and it seemed like the more I was using certain mags, the less they were malfunctioning. I thought about purchasing Magpul followers to put it them, however: 1) I don't know if they would work with the different E2 spring 2) I shouldn't have to buy new followers for $12 mags with "new and improved" followers The other issue seems to be the feed angle with certain rifles. The only rifle I had a problem with, so far, was a Bushmaster 20 in; with rifle ( non M4) feedramps. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 8:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Done with aluminum mags. They're obsolete. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 8:47:04 PM EDT
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I wouldn't say that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2020 12:07:24 AM EDT
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Switching completely over to Pmag Gen M3’s myself.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 12:45:34 AM EDT
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Just found this thread!
Been running PMAGs since 2008 and Surefeed E2s to good effect since they've come out. Brought em to 4 Tactical Games, one trip to DARC, and a buncha outings for testing/enjoyment. Mine were the early models, but looks like I should get high off my own supply and "test" more of the newer mags. 2019 really flew by in a flash. I'm getting some magazines that were no-go in a customer's gun returned to me so I can test em out in mine. As for old posts about personnel, not sure if this have been cleared up yet, but Nick left Okay Industries after SHOT show 2019 thereabouts, and FMJ Marketing is actually another entity. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 12:37:46 PM EDT
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The Blue Follower for Okay's new E2 mags is compatible with all new generation USG spring designs.
The Magpul Follower for Okay's Legacy mags is compatible with all old generation USG spring designs. |
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