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Posted: 12/22/2017 2:51:50 AM EDT
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193
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Posted: 12/22/2017 3:41:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The accuracy isnt anything to write home about but few FMJs are. I just meant it does better regarding terminal ballistics than its given credit for and does pretty well on a variety of light barriers and does well on certain types of body armor like UHWMPE. Heres a test in ordnance gel at 350m compared to 77gr OTM..nothing to sneeze at by any standards. Its put literal truckloads of people in the dirt over the years and if its available at a good price it's not a bad thing to buy especially if you have a 20" barrel in the lineup.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6z-jkJaAZ4
@LRRP52 says its g2g and I trust his opinion on the matter implicitly. |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 1:35:23 PM EDT
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Get both. Especially when PSA is selling xm855 for $279.99 with free shipping.
Add the rebate and it's $229.00. 
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Posted: 12/22/2017 1:59:51 PM EDT
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Get both. Especially when PSA is selling xm855 for $279.99 with free shipping. Add the rebate and it's $229.00. |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 2:13:19 PM EDT
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Both....
Why not. |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 2:23:27 PM EDT
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A bit of both, but if you are not stacking Wolf Gold and making a cool ammo fort, you are as wrong as two boys fucking. |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 2:36:43 PM EDT
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Not a big fan of the surplus stuff with the varnish on it, seems like a reason it's always cheap.
PMC is my goto misc shooting up paper, steel, or small varmint round Fort Scott for more critical work where what the round does on impact is a larger factor than just accuracy alone, solid copper, great tumbling and very accurate. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XHwFQOhnLBo |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 2:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The accuracy isnt anything to write home about but few FMJs are. I just meant it does better regarding terminal ballistics than its given credit for and does pretty well on a variety of light barriers and does well on certain types of body armor like UHWMPE. Heres a test in ordnance gel at 350m compared to 77gr OTM..nothing to sneeze at by any standards. Its put literal truckloads of people in the dirt over the years and if its available at a good price it's not a bad thing to buy especially if you have a 20" barrel in the lineup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6z-jkJaAZ4
@LRRP52 says its g2g and I trust his opinion on the matter implicitly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: One of my rifles HATES it (855) from an accuracy perspective but I guess it is still minute of man... I haven't tried it in my red dot rifle at 100 yards, maybe it shoots it better. I just meant it does better regarding terminal ballistics than its given credit for and does pretty well on a variety of light barriers and does well on certain types of body armor like UHWMPE. Heres a test in ordnance gel at 350m compared to 77gr OTM..nothing to sneeze at by any standards. Its put literal truckloads of people in the dirt over the years and if its available at a good price it's not a bad thing to buy especially if you have a 20" barrel in the lineup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6z-jkJaAZ4
@LRRP52 says its g2g and I trust his opinion on the matter implicitly. 
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Posted: 12/22/2017 3:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean train-loads of people. http://cl.jroo.me/z3/V/_/u/e/a.baa-most-long-freight-train.jpg 
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Posted: 12/23/2017 12:15:26 AM EDT
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Both. Local shop has M855 a little cheaper than M193. Once I finish gathering the parts to reload, it will be a little of all flavors.
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Posted: 12/23/2017 2:10:27 AM EDT
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Do you guys think it’s worth the $.02/rd more to grab the bulk packaged in to the 120 round plastic ammo boxes over the 1000 rds just thrown in a big box together...or does it even matter?
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Posted: 12/23/2017 2:49:28 AM EDT
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I've been stocking both when I got deals on one or the other. But my preference is 193.
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Posted: 12/23/2017 3:31:01 AM EDT
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Do you guys think it’s worth the $.02/rd more to grab the bulk packaged in to the 120 round plastic ammo boxes over the 1000 rds just thrown in a big box together...or does it even matter? Lesser chance of the ammo getting damaged... though the loose ammo I've bought before never have any issue. |
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Posted: 12/23/2017 5:12:32 AM EDT
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Do you guys think it’s worth the $.02/rd more to grab the bulk packaged in to the 120 round plastic ammo boxes over the 1000 rds just thrown in a big box together...or does it even matter? |
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Posted: 12/23/2017 5:08:16 PM EDT
[#15]
I prefer 193 but have both. Maxed out the federal rebates on a good stock of 193
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Posted: 12/23/2017 5:17:17 PM EDT
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Is there any truth to the fact that the bulk packaged ammo is considered grade 3 ammo vs. the non-bulk which is grade 2?
Grade 1 being the rounds that went to the military. |
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Posted: 12/23/2017 6:07:58 PM EDT
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Is there any truth to the fact that the bulk packaged ammo is considered grade 3 ammo vs. the non-bulk which is grade 2? Grade 1 being the rounds that went to the military. |
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Posted: 12/24/2017 12:53:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:06:02 PM EDT
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Yes I am, and it is all made by IMI. Great prices on good surplus.
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Posted: 12/28/2017 3:41:50 AM EDT
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Okay, can someone explain to me the difference between these two??? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/431577/Screen_shot_2017-12-23_at_8-399549.JPG Lake XM855 5.56 62gr, LC Headstamp with NATO cross. 1,000rds loose packed to a case *Lake City Ammunition packaged and shipped by Federal* vs Lake XM855 5.56 62gr, LC Headstamp with NATO cross. 1,000rds loose packed to a case per descriptions on Palmetto web site. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 10:19:50 AM EDT
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wolf gold 55gr
much more accurate/precise, similar velocities, sealed neck and crimped primer. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 10:32:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is there any truth to the fact that the bulk packaged ammo is considered grade 3 ammo vs. the non-bulk which is grade 2? Grade 1 being the rounds that went to the military. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 10:39:02 AM EDT
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No. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there any truth to the fact that the bulk packaged ammo is considered grade 3 ammo vs. the non-bulk which is grade 2? Grade 1 being the rounds that went to the military. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 11:15:54 AM EDT
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Wolf Gold 55gr!
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Posted: 12/28/2017 10:25:11 PM EDT
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Recently.....I've found m855 cheaper than m193. So, I've been buying m855. But truth be known, if both we're the same price.....I'd want the m855. In the past, m193 was cheaper than the m855. So, I've bought the m193.
Bottom line: I'm cheap. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 2:02:09 AM EDT
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35% M193
35% M855 30% Mk262 |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 2:21:55 AM EDT
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Wolf Gold 55gr! |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 6:52:31 AM EDT
[#28]
193, because I can shoot it out of all of my ARs.
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Posted: 12/29/2017 2:48:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Both actually |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 2:55:40 PM EDT
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M855A1
Not really, M855A1 is too hard to find. Mostly I've been buying M193 variants. |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 3:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright, someone has got to explain to me the issue with 855?! I thought it was great ammo for 1:7 short barreled rifles and is what our military shoots? At close range shooting steel targets, M193 is a better penetrator. At distance or against dyneema/hdpe type armor, M855 performs better. M855A1 performs well on both steel and dyneema armor. It also fragments very nicely and the copper slug gives 20+ inches of penetration. Great stuff if you can find it, but it does copper barrels up and needs a better cleaning regimen. |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 3:07:27 PM EDT
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It has a lower percentage of rounds that fragment. IIRC about 78% fragment vs 85% of M193. I don't recall what distance that was at, but fragmentation for both will fall off as velocity decreases. At close range shooting steel targets, M193 is a better penetrator. At distance or against dyneema/hdpe type armor, M855 performs better. M855A1 performs well on both steel and dyneema armor. It also fragments very nicely and the copper slug gives 20+ inches of penetration. Great stuff if you can find it, but it does copper barrels up and needs a better cleaning regimen. Meant to quote your post above this one. |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 3:14:30 PM EDT
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Get both. Especially when PSA is selling xm855 for $279.99 with free shipping. Add the rebate and it's $229.00. I still don't like the fact that the rebate deal on this consists of: "Trust us! Federal is promising to us in an email that this product code, which isn't on the rebate form, will also be honored on the rebate form, that doesn't list this product code. Because we are telling you that they sent us a letter saying so." |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 3:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are handloads I take it? What MV you getting on that A1 vs .mil issue? Meant to quote your post above this one. |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 3:48:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Oh awesome, guess it just threw me off since they're in that plastic reload box thing.
One day I'll grab some but I'm cool with standard 855 as my bulk supply and Gold Dots for primary. |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 5:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Source? |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 5:49:46 PM EDT
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no.
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Posted: 12/29/2017 5:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much this. I'm not a big fan of XM855, but you can barely buy Wolf Steel for this price (and that's only if you shop!). For LC brass'd ammo - that's one HELL of a deal. My guess is that it's not going to be a long-term deal either; I suspect LC is dumping their M855 to make room for M855A1. Cross compare that PSA XM855 deal to any other brass cased ammo out there, and nobody but nobody is pricing dropping on brass ammo this hard. Wolf Gold is still pretty close to 30 cents a shot in fact. I still don't like the fact that the rebate deal on this consists of: "Trust us! Federal is promising to us in an email that this product code, which isn't on the rebate form, will also be honored on the rebate form, that doesn't list this product code. Because we are telling you that they sent us a letter saying so." |
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Posted: 12/29/2017 6:01:41 PM EDT
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Federal has said time and again its the same commercial ammo packaged differently. They don’t “grade” it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Source? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
193. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:01:34 PM EDT
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Wold Gold stacked deep for practice
Speer GD 64 stacked deep for HD/SHTF |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:09:48 PM EDT
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Best of both worlds
Magtech 62gr. M193. 
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:12:34 PM EDT
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Best of both worlds Magtech 62gr. M193. 
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Source? The US Military has not used M193 since the 90's (I deployed to Desert Storm with an M16A1 and was issued M193). So M193 is not in the Military pipeline for anything. It got phased out long ago, even for Reserve and NG units. I would believe that some XM855 is tier 2 "rejects" because the military is still using it and lots sometimes get rejected for minor reasons. But Federal has sent e-mails and letters stating that nothing they sell to the civy market is rejected by anyone. Too much liability. I suspect that some LE ammo that Federal sells in bulk may be over runs or rejected by the intended agency. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 2:18:50 AM EDT
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Primarily stacking 193, but I'm also grabbing a bit of 855 as well as wolf/wolf gold and even tula. The cheap stuff goes on the shelf for blasting and barter primarily but I also like to practice/ drill with it.
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Posted: 1/4/2018 3:14:50 PM EDT
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I put back a bit from when MidwayUSA had it pretty cheap... the kicker is that the range I am a member of does not allow steel core ammo |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 6:20:44 PM EDT
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Not sure why having SBRs would move you towards stocking M855. I shoot too much indoors to mess with it.
M193 and Speer Gold Dot for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 7:14:18 PM EDT
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I read a while back that the short barrel and 1:7 twist don’t stabilize the 55gr as well...no clue if that’s actually the case.
I did decide to grab a little of both while the Federal AE rebate was still going. I think I’m probably good on XM855...might grab a little more XM193, or maybe pick up some more 64gr Speer GD or Wolf. At $.23/rd for AE XM855 and $.24/rd for AE XM193 on clips, I couldn’t pass it up. Now watch them start going for $.20/rd or lower in 2018... 
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Posted: 1/5/2018 9:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it looked like they were gonna ban it. Stack deep ammo is m193. Keep a few hundred of different specialty ammo, a thousand of whatever high performance defense ammo you like. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 12:31:36 AM EDT
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I ended up grabbing roughly 2500 each of m193 and m855 IMI from midway. Adding a burris "ships free" $3.99 paper target lowered the shipping. Came out to roughly 25 cents a round and you don't have to deal with rebates.
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