Herters (Cabelas) jams a lot more than other steel case

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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:17:01 PM EDT

Being an ammo hoarder has caused me to purchase a few dozen boxes of sale Herters over time when placing Cabelas orders. It doesn't get burnt up very fast as I find it likes to hang up more than any other cheap ammo. I get adequate accuracy when it does load. I always assume it is that dry steel case causing it but am only a hoarder, not an ammo engineer. I thought of dumping a few boxes in a pail and giving it a light spraying of WD-40 to lube the case but not sure if that is a good idea or not.

Any Herters lovers here with any tips? I gotta think it hangs in a lot of guns with that unlacquared case. I want to call it chalky, but there isn't actually any residue but sure feels chalky to the touch.

Posted: 10/19/2017 6:35:56 PM EDT

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WD40 or any oil will usually render the primer inert over time.

Ive heard people take steel wool to each round, wipe off corrosion of surplus rounds.

No problems with my 30 carbine steel ammo from Herters and Cabelas.

Posted: 10/19/2017 7:54:24 PM EDT

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No, it won't. This myth has been disproved numerous times, on ARFcom and other places.

OP- shake the rounds in a bag with a bit of powdered graphite. Way less messy than WD40.

Posted: 10/19/2017 8:00:20 PM EDT

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Dang, my supply of powdered graphite is gone (ok, never existed. Who has a can of powdered graphite laying around??? ??)

If I decide to spray it with wd40, it will be just the rounds I plan to shoot that day. Maybe dump a couple boxes in a gallon ziplock and only enough wd40 or ballistol to lightly coat them?

Posted: 10/19/2017 8:31:47 PM EDT

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Lubing rounds can create overpressure. The lube cannot compress.

Posted: 10/19/2017 8:36:04 PM EDT

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Oh brother...

Posted: 10/19/2017 10:34:20 PM EDT

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Dang, my supply of powdered graphite is gone (ok, never existed. Who has a can of powdered graphite laying around??? ??)

If I decide to spray it with wd40, it will be just the rounds I plan to shoot that day. Maybe dump a couple boxes in a gallon ziplock and only enough wd40 or ballistol to lightly coat them?

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It ain't hard to find.

Hell, rub a #2 pencil over the rounds.

Posted: 10/20/2017 4:21:54 AM EDT

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No, it won't. This myth has been disproved numerous times, on ARFcom and other places.

OP- shake the rounds in a bag with a bit of powdered graphite. Way less messy than WD40.

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So are you are saying WD-40 will not affect primers at all ?... I mean, no one wants a "squib" round from a partially discharged primer, poorly quality controlled primer.... would the WD-40 mess with the grip between the primer pocket and primer itself ?

Lets just say WD-40 or any lube added to the firing cycle on ammo is a bad idea....I bet no one can show me, from an ammo manufacturer, where WD-40 or graphite applied on their modern ammo is considered safe.... NO ONE.

Ammo needs to "grab" the chamber walls...not be lubed.

For the OP, the bottom line is don't buy "bargain" ammo. QC is usually pretty bad.... We all have some bargain ammo mistakes.

It is 55K PSI in front of your face.... everytime you pull the trigger....

ADDING any lube to ammo is a bad idea, now consider the fact that some here are suggesting adding lube to some of the cheapest ammo out there, the ammo with little QC...seriously ?!?

I am not trying to be flippant with any one .... the OP is being given some pretty poor info.

Live and learn from your mistakes, I applaud the OP for asking the question... but take some of the advice here with a grain of salt

Posted: 10/20/2017 4:24:59 AM EDT

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This.

Posted: 10/20/2017 4:37:18 AM EDT

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In case it makes a difference to anyone, Herters = Tula. Same headstamps and everything, exact same ammo just in a different box.

[edit: autocorrect typo]

Posted: 10/20/2017 8:26:56 AM EDT

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In case it makes a difference to anyone, Herrera = Tula. Same headstamps and everything, exact same ammo just in a different box.

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Thanks you

This thread with the WOMs is unbelievable

OP herters is some of the worst steel cased ammo. dumping wd-40 on it wont help.

It underpowered, and has exaction problems. Try a lighter buffer to get rid of it.

Posted: 10/20/2017 8:43:58 AM EDT

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Thanks you

This thread with the WOMs is unbelievable

OP herters is some of the worst steel cased ammo. dumping wd-40 on it wont help.

It underpowered, and has exaction problems. Try a lighter buffer to get rid of it.

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Tula is all over the place. 223 is underpowered, 45ACP and 308 is too hot....

Posted: 10/21/2017 6:58:10 AM EDT

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Lubing rounds can increase pressure, but it has nothing to do with the lube not compressing. When the powder charge goes off, the case expands to grip the chamber walls. If the case is lubed it can't grip the walls correctly, increasing pressure back against the bolt face.

Posted: 10/21/2017 7:01:52 AM EDT

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Tula .223 is the ammo I shoot the most as its what Walmart carries for steel case ammo. That said it is crap, it won't run at all in my ruger. Stuck cases every other round. It does feed into the chamber though.

Posted: 10/21/2017 2:08:40 PM EDT

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Tula sucks in .223 won't cycle my STG556 reliably.

Never had any problems with it in 9mm (Glocks)or 762x39 though.

As a matter of fact my M92 (AK pistol w/ 10.5" bbl) gets its best velocity with Walmart Tulammo so I bought 500 Rds just for it.

YMMV

Posted: 10/21/2017 9:57:42 PM EDT

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I have random ignition failures with Tula in 223.
I checked a few with a chamber gauge and discovered they're out of spec short.

Posted: 10/22/2017 4:54:39 PM EDT

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Not much to add about herters, but FWIW a shop around here has "hotshot", which I believe is century arms (probably tula) ammo. Average price for steel case.

My brother bought some with his savage and it shoots about 2-2.5moa all day long. Better than MEN M80, Fed 180gr SP, and Fed M80 in his barrel. The recoil or POI was not very far off from the M80, so it seems to have good velocity. Didn't run dirty or make it hard to cycle the bolt.

I guess it's worth a shot if you want blasting ammo.

Posted: 10/28/2017 6:28:20 PM EDT

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I bought 500 rounds or so a few years ago. Runs fine in my Stag rifles.

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