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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:41:32 PM EDT

Gents,

Recently acquired an X95 in .300 BLK, I'm looking for ammo recommendations for plinking and home defense (either super or subsonic). I will not be reloading, so please no snarky comments on that.

Posted: 8/9/2017 12:47:40 PM EDT

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I prefer Barnes 110gr TAC-TX for supersonic hunting/SD and Hornady Custom or Hornady Black 208gr AMAX for subs when we're talking factory ammo.

The Barnes load takes down MN & WI whitetail and the Hornady loads are around MOA out of all three of my BLK guns (two 8" and a 10.5")

There are numerous expanding subsonics out there now but I haven't tried any due to the price. They are $$$.

Posted: 8/9/2017 12:51:03 PM EDT

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I prefer Barnes 110gr TAC-TX for supersonic hunting/SD and Hornady Custom or Hornady Black 208gr AMAX for subs when we're talking factory ammo.

The Barnes load takes down MN & WI whitetail and the Hornady loads are around MOA out of all three of my BLK guns (two 8" and a 10.5")

There are numerous expanding subsonics out there now but I haven't tried any due to the price. They are $$.

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This, I would stick to the supers for anything but range use. The 110g black tip is a great round.

Posted: 8/9/2017 5:12:45 PM EDT

[#3]

Sweet, thanks for the help!

Posted: 8/10/2017 6:50:19 AM EDT

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110gr black tips work fantastic for supersonic and will penetrate up to 20 inches at 300 yards while fully expanding to 1/2 inch.

For subsonic home defense I use the Lehigh Defense 194gr. They are expensive but they are wicked in their ability to expand at subsonic velocities and create a ton of damage.

For plinking just google it and find the cheapest rounds that usually use military surplus bullets in the 150gr range.

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:15:57 AM EDT

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The 110gr VMAX is good

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:30:00 AM EDT

[#6]

So everyone seems to like the 110gr black tips, so I'll look for that stuff next. Is there any difference with the 120gr version aside from 10 grains?

Picked up some Magtech 123gr from my local Sportsman's Warehouse for plinking, so I'll see how those feed this weekend.

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:52:51 AM EDT

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My rifles love Fiocchi ammo. PSA used to sell it cheap too, but I haven't see it on the shelf in a long time.

Posted: 8/10/2017 2:02:00 PM EDT

[#8]

done.

Posted: 8/10/2017 3:09:15 PM EDT

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Leid so just to confirm the 115 Lehigh is a good choice at the speeds a 10" .300 will produce?

Posted: 8/10/2017 4:02:03 PM EDT

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So everyone seems to like the 110gr black tips, so I'll look for that stuff next. Is there any difference with the 120gr version aside from 10 grains?

Picked up some Magtech 123gr from my local Sportsman's Warehouse for plinking, so I'll see how those feed this weekend.

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This exact question was asked again last night by someone else in this forum LOL.

Here's my data on the two:

8" CMMG barrel, 10 shots, Barnes VOR-TX factory ammo:
110gr 2097fps AVG, 1.31 MOA 10 shot group.
120gr 1889fps AVG, 2.75 MOA 10 shot group.

Posted: 8/10/2017 4:45:20 PM EDT

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This exact question was asked again last night by someone else in this forum LOL.

Here's my data on the two:

8" CMMG barrel, 10 shots, Barnes VOR-TX factory ammo:
110gr 2097fps AVG, 1.31 MOA 10 shot group.
120gr 1889fps AVG, 2.75 MOA 10 shot group.

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So everyone seems to like the 110gr black tips, so I'll look for that stuff next. Is there any difference with the 120gr version aside from 10 grains?

Picked up some Magtech 123gr from my local Sportsman's Warehouse for plinking, so I'll see how those feed this weekend.

This exact question was asked again last night by someone else in this forum LOL.

Here's my data on the two:

8" CMMG barrel, 10 shots, Barnes VOR-TX factory ammo:
110gr 2097fps AVG, 1.31 MOA 10 shot group.
120gr 1889fps AVG, 2.75 MOA 10 shot group.

I just noticed that lol

Thanks for the inputs everyone, does anyone know if Wolf is looking at producing steel cased ammo for plinking?

Posted: 8/10/2017 6:22:45 PM EDT

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Leid so just to confirm the 115 Lehigh is a good choice at the speeds a 10" .300 will produce?

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Yes. The Lehigh 115GR. CC Cu bullet was designed specifically with 300BLK impact velocity in mind much like the Barnes 110GR. TAC-TX bullet. Mike at Lehigh demonstrated expansion/fragmentation in water jugs out to 400yds. with a 16" RARR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx0EsOg23nI. So you should be looking at an approx. 250-300yds. expansion/fragmentation envelope from an 8-10" barrel 300BLK barrel. I use both a suppressed 16" RARR & a 9" AAC upper in 300BLK.

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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:59:12 PM EDT

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Leid so just to confirm the 115 Lehigh is a good choice at the speeds a 10" .300 will produce?

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This was out of my 8"

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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:03:58 PM EDT

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Hard to beat the Barnes tac-tx for defense, but the Lehigh 115 and the Sig 120g Ht's are pretty damn impressive too.
I actually get a little more velocity with the Sig and Lehighs over the Barnes in both my 8" and 10.5".

Sig:

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As for subs, I love the Lehigh 194G ME:

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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:40:41 PM EDT

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Yes. The Lehigh 115GR. CC Cu bullet was designed specifically with 300BLK impact velocity in mind much like the Barnes 110GR. TAC-TX bullet. Mike at Lehigh demonstrated expansion/fragmentation in water jugs out to 400yds. with a 16" RARR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx0EsOg23nI. So you should be looking at an approx. 250-300yds. expansion/fragmentation envelope from an 8-10" barrel 300BLK barrel. I use both a suppressed 16" RARR & a 9" AAC upper in 300BLK.

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Love love love the 300 BO ruger bolt gun.

OP, zombie max is the same load as the black and it's like 3 dollars cheaper a box at midway. Just has a different color tip and a stupid name.

Posted: 8/11/2017 6:19:41 PM EDT

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I would give these a serious look at these as well.

I'm going to buy the 115gr CC based on leid's recommendation and they're only $33/100 at Midway for the bullets. The 110gr Black Tip is just too rich for my blood.

I have a few hundred 110gr vmax handloads and 60 125gr TMK handloads in my stash. 2 mags worth of factory Hornady Black 110gr Vmax for HD.

This isn't a cheap caliber lol.

Posted: 8/15/2017 6:50:30 AM EDT

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Hard to beat the Barnes tac-tx for defense, but the Lehigh 115 and the Sig 120g Ht's are pretty damn impressive too.
I actually get a little more velocity with the Sig and Lehighs over the Barnes in both my 8" and 10.5.

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I contact Sig to inquire about the expansion threshold on the 120g HTs. The response received was "expansion threshold is pretty subjective but you would like to have the impact velocities be over 1800 fps to allow the round to do what it’s supposed to do."

Needless to say, I was hoping for lower velocity to compete with the Barnes 110g TAC-TX.

Posted: 8/15/2017 8:37:01 AM EDT

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I contact Sig to inquire about the expansion threshold on the 120g HTs. The response received was "expansion threshold is pretty subjective but you would like to have the impact velocities be over 1800 fps to allow the round to do what it’s supposed to do."

Needless to say, I was hoping for lower velocity to compete with the Barnes 110g TAC-TX.

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Good info.

That would put expansion at roughly (not knowing the bc) 125 yards with my 8".

With Barnes' advertised expansion down to 1400fps, I'd get more than double that distance.

Posted: 8/19/2017 5:40:09 PM EDT

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I don't have gel tests or anything like that to demonstrate, but the UMC (Remington's white and green boxed line) 120 grain OTFB ammunition is made by Barnes. Barnes makes it with their own brass, and their really excellent Barnes Open Tip Flat Base bullet. Most of mine (that I've paid attention to) have crimped in primers. This stuff rocks, and I've bought it for less than $14/box of 20 at Academy Sports, and around $15 at WalMart.

Now Remington's 220 grain subsonic load uses Remington's bullets...I haven't had problems with that stuff, but I also don't have a can so I can't say how well it suppresses, nor how accurate it is through a can.

Posted: 8/19/2017 8:53:12 PM EDT

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I don't have gel tests or anything like that to demonstrate, but the UMC (Remington's white and green boxed line) 120 grain OTFB ammunition is made by Barnes. Barnes makes it with their own brass, and their really excellent Barnes Open Tip Flat Base bullet. Most of mine (that I've paid attention to) have crimped in primers. This stuff rocks, and I've bought it for less than $14/box of 20 at Academy Sports, and around $15 at WalMart.

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Blue Falcon did some gel test with these with ok results. Nice upset, but pretty long neck.

I've chronoed them and they're pretty anemic. Around 1850fps in my 8" and 1950fps in my 10.5".

Posted: 8/19/2017 11:14:06 PM EDT

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How's the 200gr S&B subsonic load for plinking?

Just built an 8.3" .300BLK for hunting, which will primarily be used with 110gr Barnes black tip for that task. Figured I'd find the cheapest sub load possible for fun at the range and the S&B stuff appears to be the cheapest.

Posted: 8/27/2017 5:31:57 PM EDT

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Stay away from the Armscore stuff. It was cheap but gives you a FTF or FTE every other round. I had bullets that were so loose I could pull them out of the casing hardly even trying. That and nearly a 1/8" differences in how deep the bullets were sitting...

Posted: 8/27/2017 6:09:39 PM EDT

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Blue Falcon did some gel test with these with ok results. Nice upset, but pretty long neck.

I've chronoed them and they're pretty anemic. Around 1850fps in my 8" and 1950fps in my 10.5".

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Oddly enough they were barely above that in a 16", too.

That bullet at 2250 would be a winner. Still a decent choice.

Posted: 8/27/2017 9:52:36 PM EDT

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I reload my 300BLK now, but have had good results with Magtech 123gr FMJ for plinking/target practice. I've bought the 50 round boxes for about $25 each, and on sale at Midway for $22 sometimes.

Posted: 8/29/2017 6:56:30 AM EDT

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I picked up some of the Magtech 123gr 300 blackout from SGAmmo. It's the cheapest I've seen it at $.41/rd shipped.

Magtech 300blk 123 gr - 1000rds
Magtech 300 blk 123 gr - 50rds

Posted: 8/31/2017 3:07:57 PM EDT

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I picked up some of the Magtech 123gr 300 blackout from SGAmmo. It's the cheapest I've seen it at $.41/rd shipped.

Magtech 300blk 123 gr - 1000rds
Magtech 300 blk 123 gr - 50rds

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That's super cheap. Just got 1050 rounds.

Posted: 9/1/2017 1:59:43 AM EDT

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I picked up some of the Magtech 123gr 300 blackout from SGAmmo. It's the cheapest I've seen it at $.41/rd shipped.

Magtech 300blk 123 gr - 1000rds
Magtech 300 blk 123 gr - 50rds

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Great price. Wish Subs were just as inexpensive. Personally, if I want to shoot supersonic, i'll stick with .223/5.56

Posted: 9/1/2017 2:06:14 PM EDT

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Blue Falcon did some gel test with these with ok results. Nice upset, but pretty long neck.

I've chronoed them and they're pretty anemic. Around 1850fps in my 8" and 1950fps in my 10.5".

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With a 10" barrel, im getting 1975 without a can and 2026 with.
IMO...its a plinking round, that gives you Barnes brass as leftovers.
Nothing wrong with that.

If Im shooting something that needs killed...Barnes 110gr Tac-TX. For supers.

I havent tried the Lehigh ME 194s but plan to.
The Hornady 208gr ELD is my go to sub load.

Posted: 9/1/2017 9:19:57 PM EDT

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Is there a decent place to buy either the Underwood or Lehigh 194gr ammo online? I've looked, but it seems MidwayUSA is about the only choice.

Posted: 9/1/2017 9:35:25 PM EDT

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Is there a decent place to buy either the Underwood or Lehigh 194gr ammo online? I've looked, but it seems MidwayUSA is about the only choice.

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I usually just get them directly from Underwood.

They're running a Labor Day sale right now. Use coupon code LABORDAY17.

Posted: 9/4/2017 7:41:23 AM EDT

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So would the 208 grain Hornady Black ammo that users the amax bullet be a poor choice for HD or hunting? Does it expand at all at those subsonic velocities?

Posted: 9/4/2017 8:46:11 AM EDT

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So would the 208 grain Hornady Black ammo that users the amax bullet be a poor choice for HD or hunting? Does it expand at all at those subsonic velocities?

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The Hornady 208GR. AMAX bullet does not expand nor fragment at subsonic impact velocity. Since it is a very long bullet, it is capable of a good bit of tissue damage if and when it does yaw inside a flesh & bone target. I have hunted with it and it killed the animals. But multiple-shots were the rule on varmints and predators with not a whole lot more terminal performance than the expanding supersonic .22LRs or the 9MM 124GR. FMJs I was using for a comparison. I just kept shooting until the animals went down. One quality the subsonic 208GR. AMAX does offer over the expanding .22LR or 9MM FMJ is VERY deep penetration for "Texas heart shots" on hogs. .02

Posted: 9/4/2017 12:30:07 PM EDT

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Thanks for the info leid

Posted: 9/5/2017 12:27:53 AM EDT

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Agree with above.
The 208 is a ice pick. Iv seen videos of it shooting right through 2 16 or 18" blocks.
The blocks didn't even move....
BUT...if it hits bone, who knows, but way to unreliable to shoot anything alive.

Make a great quiet plinking round though

I actually love them. My go to sub round for quiet.

Posted: 9/5/2017 10:30:20 PM EDT

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208 AMAX (Hornady Custom) was also VERY accurate out of my 8 & 10.5 barrels. Just north of 1 MOA at 100yds, 10 shot group out of both. Hornady Black 208 AMAX was closer to 2 MOA.

Posted: 9/10/2017 9:21:49 PM EDT

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I just picked up a box of the Remington 220gr OTFB.

Wasn't sure I have seen them and picked up a box.

Brass is RP, not the Barnes like the 120gr load and the bullet looks like in was seated with way to much pressure. The tips are very much squashed leaving a heavy ring around the tip.

Havent shot them, but as ugly as they are, I don't know if I will be shooting them through a can.

Quality like this and Remington is wondering why they are broke....serves them right.

Posted: 9/11/2017 8:58:49 AM EDT

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You folks shooting subs, have you tried match bullets? Am curious if will just mushroom the hollow bullet or disintegrate. Given the slow speed, would think it would mushroom some. Just thought to ask.

Posted: 9/11/2017 10:35:29 AM EDT

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I'm really liking the new fusion load.

Posted: 9/12/2017 4:46:17 AM EDT

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You folks shooting subs, have you tried match bullets? Am curious if will just mushroom the hollow bullet or disintegrate. Given the slow speed, would think it would mushroom some. Just thought to ask.

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They won't they will drive right through just about anything they hit and you could pick them up and shoot them again. To get subsonics to expand you have to have bullets like Lehigh defense 194gr that are specifically made for subsonic expansion.

Nosler makes one and there are a couple others out there making subsonic expanding bullets.

Posted: 9/13/2017 8:15:53 AM EDT

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They won't they will drive right through just about anything they hit and you could pick them up and shoot them again. To get subsonics to expand you have to have bullets like Lehigh defense 194gr that are specifically made for subsonic expansion.

Nosler makes one and there are a couple others out there making subsonic expanding bullets.

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Thanks for the info.

Posted: 9/13/2017 12:43:00 PM EDT

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How's the 200gr S&B subsonic load for plinking?

Just built an 8.3" .300BLK for hunting, which will primarily be used with 110gr Barnes black tip for that task. Figured I'd find the cheapest sub load possible for fun at the range and the S&B stuff appears to be the cheapest.

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It's good stuff. Runs great in my 10.5 build without any stoppages. Never shot it I un suppressed though, and it's been a blast doing mag dumps with a binary trigger.

Posted: 9/14/2017 3:23:01 PM EDT

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Has anyone used Octane Munitions?

I was planning on reloading but after running the numbers, subs seem to be 40-60cents/rd. I can buy some cheap subs for 40cents/rd and not have the hassle of reloading.

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