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Posted: 3/9/2006 12:45:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 4:31:14 PM EDT by SuperSnuper]
They must have lowered the price because I just saw a thread saying $194.00 1k

American Eagle 55gr


Is this good ammo ? Does anyone know how it rates against the M193 ?
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 1:12:41 PM EDT
Did you try the FAQ, tacked at the top?

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=169729
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 3:05:39 PM EDT
AE223 is good ammo. hotter than most commercial 223 loads but not quite as hot as M193.

for this price (pretty good price but add ~$15 for shipping), it's good range/plinking ammo and i shoot it as such.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 3:36:28 PM EDT
Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered a case, $205 shipped.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:16:48 PM EDT
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:31:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WMHM4:
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.



+1
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:31:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 4:32:20 PM EDT by k_rasmussen]
Only 2 Case left at MidwayUSA $99 per 500
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:34:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WMHM4:
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.



1. You do realize what an ammo is "rated" at and what it really does are MOST often not the same, or even close, right?

2. Not all AE223 if loaded in LC brass. It is a crapshoot whether you will get FC brass or LC brass, and FC brass is the worst out there. Just luck of the draw on the lot you get.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:36:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By k_rasmussen:
Only 2 Case left at MidwayUSA $99 per 500



Well ammoman.com sells this for $219/K shipped all day long..... and that is about what it is gonna cost from Midway per K shipped to a lot of places.... so no rush.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:47:32 PM EDT
what is the problem with FC brass? i have used it in the past and had good results with it but it has only been loaded two times so far. even some of the newer american eagle ammo that a friend was shooting looked to have nice brass, so what is the major problem with the FC brass. also does the same hold true for the LC brass they use or is LC brass still considerd to be good stuff for loading?
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:55:10 PM EDT
If'n you do the math, Wideners is $189/1000...plus shipping.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:56:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 4:58:04 PM EDT by zipper]
Source:www.imisammo.com/10162.htm
IMI 5.56mm BALL, M193

BULLET TYPE BALL
MUZZLE VELOCITY AT 78 FEET (24 METERS) 3165 FT/SEC 964 M/SEC
Note: at 78 feet


Source:le.atk.com/Interior.asp?section=1&page=pages/federal/fed_rifle_american.asp
Federal American Eagle 223 Remington
BULLET TYPE BALL
MUZZLE VELOCITY 3240fps
Note: at 0 feet

Might be useless info but I found it interesting info from two very reputatal sources seeing as one says M193 and the other says 223 Rem (5.56x45)

Link Posted: 3/9/2006 4:59:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By WMHM4:
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.



1. You do realize what an ammo is "rated" at and what it really does are MOST often not the same, or even close, right?

2. Not all AE223 if loaded in LC brass. It is a crapshoot whether you will get FC brass or LC brass, and FC brass is the worst out there. Just luck of the draw on the lot you get.



I completely understand that and I know some of the AE223 has been a few hundred fps lower than what is stated. I was going to say that in my original post but opted not to
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 5:03:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WMHM4:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By WMHM4:
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.



1. You do realize what an ammo is "rated" at and what it really does are MOST often not the same, or even close, right?

2. Not all AE223 if loaded in LC brass. It is a crapshoot whether you will get FC brass or LC brass, and FC brass is the worst out there. Just luck of the draw on the lot you get.



I completely understand that and I know some of the AE223 has been a few hundred fps lower than what is stated. I was going to say that in my original post but opted not to



Has anyone here chrony'd this stuff? I would like to know the results if they have. Hopefully a testing of various lots.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 5:35:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 5:43:19 PM EDT by WMHM4]

Originally Posted By SuperSnuper:

Originally Posted By WMHM4:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By WMHM4:
I think it's one of the best .223 loaded ammo. The 55gr .223 is rated at 3240 from muzzle. I recently bought some AE and it is loaded in LC brass.



1. You do realize what an ammo is "rated" at and what it really does are MOST often not the same, or even close, right?

2. Not all AE223 if loaded in LC brass. It is a crapshoot whether you will get FC brass or LC brass, and FC brass is the worst out there. Just luck of the draw on the lot you get.



I completely understand that and I know some of the AE223 has been a few hundred fps lower than what is stated. I was going to say that in my original post but opted not to



Has anyone here chrony'd this stuff? I would like to know the results if they have. Hopefully a testing of various lots.



Someone did chrono it recently I just can't remember who. I'll try to find it and post it

here 2nd post 3/4 of the way down
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 5:47:18 PM EDT
All I know for sure is it feels pretty hot and functions perfectly in all my ARs, even a 14 1/2" that's REALLY fussy about ammo and will short stroke on most. It's great for range use and I find the POI is about the same as XM193. This is my new range ammo now that the XM193 is drying up and I am quite happy with it so far.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 6:08:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 6:08:30 PM EDT by zipper]
I believe this is the chrony results you were hunting for. I would also like to see a few different peoples results to confirm this though. Preferably with a 16"er in there.

Pulled from link above
M199
Finally chronoed some strings of New production AE with Lc brass.

_____________ 14.5" ________20"

New AE ______ 2785fps _____3041fps

Old AE _______2843fps _____3066fps

LC 2002 ______ 3000fps_____3229fps

The New AE is actually lower in velocity abit and this could be to the larger case volume of the LC brass as compared to the old AE Federal brass. I haven't done a case vol. comparision but I think it's the case. The end result for the time being is better components which is a + in my view. The cheapest quality ammo available.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 6:16:11 PM EDT
The only place around me that sells both Q3131 and AE.223 sells the Q3131 for $5.50/box and AE for $6.40/box... Everything Zen? I don't think so...


TS
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 9:43:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gorvibub:
what is the problem with FC brass? i have used it in the past and had good results with it but it has only been loaded two times so far. even some of the newer american eagle ammo that a friend was shooting looked to have nice brass, so what is the major problem with the FC brass. also does the same hold true for the LC brass they use or is LC brass still considerd to be good stuff for loading?



Over thick case walls, overly thin webs, leading to premature case head seperations. FC in .223 is not good brass.

LC brass is outstanding. I wish they would ditch their FC loadings, and use nothing but their brass from the LC plant.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 9:45:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SuperSnuper:
Has anyone here chrony'd this stuff? I would like to know the results if they have. Hopefully a testing of various lots.



Here are my results - for comparison with other ammo:

20" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined Govt profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
3321
3325
3350
3348
3373­
AVG: 3343

Wolf M193
3247*
3347*
3249
3223*
32­95*
AVG: 3272

Wolf 55HP russian polymer
2922*
2933*
2914*
2881*2946*
AVG: 2919

AE223 LC brass
3174
3194
3208
3221
3215­
AVG: 3202


AE223 FC brass
3142
3271
3069
3161
3144­
AVG: 3157


BH 55FMJ blue box
3065*
3049*
3106
3046
3018­
AVG: 3056


Winchester 45gr Varmint
3352
3276
3335
3353
32­87
AVG: 3320


16" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined M4 profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
3222
3149
3176
3077
3158­
AVG: 3156 (187fps drop from 20" barrel)

Wolf M193
3153
3161
3117
3116
3112<­BR>AVG: 3131 (141fps drop from 20" barrel)

Wolf 55HP russian polymer
2805
2821
2813
2803
28­17
AVG: 2811 (108fps drop from 20" barrel)

AE223 LC brass
3057
3042
3045
3038
3066­
AVG: 3049 (153fps drop from 20" barrel)


AE223 FC brass
2933
2997
3025
3010
3016­
AVG: 2996 (161fps drop from 20" barrel)


BH 55FMJ blue box
2925
2980
2982
2946
2921AVG: 2950 (106fps drop from 20" barrel)


Winchester 45gr Varmint
3169
3145
3154
3163
31­39
AVG: 3154 (166fps drop from 20" barrel)
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 10:26:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2006 10:29:03 PM EDT by MaverickMkii]
/thread hijack on


Originally Posted By FALARAK:
20" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined Govt profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
AVG: 3343

16" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined M4 profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
AVG: 3156 (187fps drop from 20" barrel)



If this is true, the frag range difference between 20" and 16" is going to be more profound than I thought. In the frag chart, I used 3270 FPS for 20" barrel (in Winchester LE catalog) and 3168 for 16" (measured by one of the members here). I think your measurement shows the relative difference more accurately because they were tested under the same condition.

Using 3343 FPS for 20" MV, I get approx. 165 yards of reliable fragmentation (2700 FPS cutoff) versus 125 yd from 16" barrel. (BC = 0.267, as listed on Winchester LE catalog)

Very interesting.

/thread hi-jack off
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 1:41:30 AM EDT
I got a case of AE 223 on Monday, all of it was loaded with nice bright shiny clean LC brass....
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 5:01:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MaverickMkii:
/thread hijack on


Originally Posted By FALARAK:
20" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined Govt profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
AVG: 3343

16" Factory Bushmaster chrome lined M4 profile barrel, VLTOR carbine stock, H-carbine buffer.

Q3131A WCC04
AVG: 3156 (187fps drop from 20" barrel)



If this is true, the frag range difference between 20" and 16" is going to be more profound than I thought. In the frag chart, I used 3270 FPS for 20" barrel (in Winchester LE catalog) and 3168 for 16" (measured by one of the members here). I think your measurement shows the relative difference more accurately because they were tested under the same condition.

Using 3343 FPS for 20" MV, I get approx. 165 yards of reliable fragmentation (2700 FPS cutoff) versus 125 yd from 16" barrel. (BC = 0.267, as listed on Winchester LE catalog)

Very interesting.

/thread hi-jack off



These are actual results - but remember - every gun barrel is slightly different. The numbers I got from the 20" rifle, in most of the ammunition fired that day, seemed kinda high to me.... but that is what they were, like you said, fired under the same conditions, at the same time, on the same day, out of the same lot. The only difference was the gun.

These chrony speeds were taken at 10 feet instead of 15 feet, and some people complained about that. So I will be going and getting new data this weekend at 15 feet on these and other rounds.
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