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Posted: 3/6/2006 4:31:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 10:14:24 PM EDT by Scotter260]
I thought I'd post some pics of a couple different Hornady 75 grain loads.

I just got in the Practice ammo last week and it was different than I expected. I was expecting FMJ but the rounds are open-tipped. The casings also seem to be made of aluminum. Kathy wasn't full of info on product specs prior to my ordering. She did state that this was loaded as a practice round for the 5.56 loading, however, it is marked .223 and the yardage drops between the 80265 and Practice loads are closer than the 5.56 and Practice rounds.

I apologize for the poor pic quality, I'm lucky I was able to operate the "ON" button properly.














Thanks for looking,
Scott
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:40:01 PM EDT
Ah that's what it looks like.



and Scott.............



Thank You!

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:47:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 6:53:04 PM EDT by Billmanweh]
I just ordered some 5.56 TAP and got a case of the practice ammo at the same time. I wasn't too sure what to make of the cases. It's hard to beat the price though.

that's funny, I just noticed that the 5.56 stuff I got is stamped 'hornady' not 'frontier'
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:15:48 PM EDT
I'd love to get some of that for neutralizing muthafurs...



TS
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:24:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 7:24:31 PM EDT by cruze5]
so i can shoot that im my mini 14 right
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:43:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
I just ordered some 5.56 TAP and got a case of the practice ammo at the same time. I wasn't too sure what to make of the cases. It's hard to beat the price though.

that's funny, I just noticed that the 5.56 stuff I got is stamped 'hornady' not 'frontier'



LE?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:22:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Remman:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
I just ordered some 5.56 TAP and got a case of the practice ammo at the same time. I wasn't too sure what to make of the cases. It's hard to beat the price though.

that's funny, I just noticed that the 5.56 stuff I got is stamped 'hornady' not 'frontier'



LE?



the ammo is, I'm not
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:13:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 11:56:24 PM EDT by Scotter260]
On 03-03 I went out shooting and among the Wolf and BH MK 262 Mod 1 Seconds, decided to fire 5 extra TAP 5.56 rounds that I had. My performance with the BH was not what I expected, 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards so I wanted to try the TAP and had a few extra that screwed up my round count math.

It was sunny, around 40 degrees F, and I believe there was a very slight breeze.

Weapon: Stock 6920 save CMT M16 carrier
Sights: Iron
Distance: 100 yards

The carbine was fired from the bench with a shooting bag as a rest. 4-position stock was set in the second first position back from fully-collapsed position. The top of the post was held in the center of the target and took up the middle third, horizontally, of the target from my point of view. That's as precise as I could get it.

Below is the 5 round group of the TAP.




I'm sorry, I tried to rotate this a 1/4 turn but VillagePhotos gave me an error message when I did.


I'm obviously not the world's best or even moderately good shot but this group blew away my several attempts with the MK 262 Mod 1 Seconds.

Thanks for looking,
Scott

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:24:27 PM EDT


so wha't the difference between the two 75gr loads on the left


#80265 & #8126N
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:34:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cnatra:

so wha't the difference between the two 75gr loads on the left


#80265 & #8126N




80265 is .223 and you can buy it without being a LEO, 8126N is 5.56 and LEO only direct from Hornady
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:37:29 PM EDT
FWIW, the practice ammo is also LEO only, direct from Hornady. It's not reloads, and it's steel cased, not aluminum.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:12:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
FWIW, the practice ammo is also LEO only, direct from Hornady. It's not reloads, and it's steel cased, not aluminum.



I don't know much about the cases but that case looks like nickle plated to me not steel. I could be wrong though.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:23:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By colt100:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
FWIW, the practice ammo is also LEO only, direct from Hornady. It's not reloads, and it's steel cased, not aluminum.



I don't know much about the cases but that case looks like nickle plated to me not steel. I could be wrong though.



The one I'm holding in my hand looks like steel, and the Hornady rep said they're steel
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 9:20:16 AM EDT
Stick a magnet to the case, see if it sticks.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:48:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By cnatra:

so wha't the difference between the two 75gr loads on the left


#80265 & #8126N




80265 is .223 and you can buy it without being a LEO, 8126N is 5.56 and LEO only direct from Hornady



So is it safe to assume that the 8126N has a higher MV ?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:50:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 10:59:54 AM EDT by cnatra]

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By colt100:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
FWIW, the practice ammo is also LEO only, direct from Hornady. It's not reloads, and it's steel cased, not aluminum.



I don't know much about the cases but that case looks like nickle plated to me not steel. I could be wrong though.



The one I'm holding in my hand looks like steel, and the Hornady rep said they're steel





That would be interesting, most premium American made defense ammo uses nickel plated cases or brass.


Maybe because it's "cheap range" ammo ??

The only common steel cased ammo I'm aware of is eastern European stuff like Wolf .
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 1:04:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodroot:
Stick a magnet to the case, see if it sticks.



yep, it does
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 1:08:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cnatra:

So is it safe to assume that the 8126N has a higher MV ?



I would hope so, or I don't know what the point of it would be
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 3:30:22 PM EDT
You don't have to assume. The 8126N DOES have a higher MV than the 80265 by around 150fps.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:17:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cnatra:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By colt100:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
FWIW, the practice ammo is also LEO only, direct from Hornady. It's not reloads, and it's steel cased, not aluminum.



I don't know much about the cases but that case looks like nickle plated to me not steel. I could be wrong though.



The one I'm holding in my hand looks like steel, and the Hornady rep said they're steel





That would be interesting, most premium American made defense ammo uses nickel plated cases or brass.


Maybe because it's "cheap range" ammo ??

The only common steel cased ammo I'm aware of is eastern European stuff like Wolf .



I'd say your observation that it's steel because it's "cheap range" ammo is correct.

The only question that keeps floating around in my head is: If they load this to perform as a practice round for either of the "premium" TAP rounds (most likely the 80265 based on the numbers) and it contains the same projectile, why not just use this as your practice and primary duty round?

Scott
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:29:18 PM EDT
It probably not only made of cheaper compnents but also has larger variances in case weight/volume and powder charges. This would mean its less accurate.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:03:00 PM EDT
It's more like a 200fps difference in a 20" weapon (at least in my A2). Just figure the 5.56mm adds about 75yaards worth of fragmentation range to the .223 round.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:17:23 PM EDT
How much is a case of this ammo?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:43:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 5:48:06 PM EDT by paulosantos]
How does the Practice ammo shoot? Meaning, how accurate and is the point of impact different. I currently have some of the 5.56 TAP and I just purchased 500 rounds of the HSM version of the 75 Grain TAP but their reloads are not that much cheaper. ($300 for 1000 new rounds and $246 for reloads.). If the Hornady practice rounds are pretty accurate, I'll switch over to Hornady on everything.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 6:52:41 PM EDT
I haven't had the opportunity to use the Practice ammo yet.

I'm hoping this weekend and I'll let you know.

Also, IM sent.

Scott
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:24:55 PM EDT
They only sell the practice ammo to LE too.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:51:54 PM EDT
I used ~100 rounds this morning just to get sighted in and to plink a little. I didn't shoot for groups, but it struck me as more accurate than my usual AE223 or Q3131, and I didn't have any problems with it.
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