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Link Posted: 3/4/2006 8:13:50 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just jealous that I can't afford that much.

Here's all my shtf ammo.   25 Blackhills 75gr Heavy Match hollows.  But If the S*** Does hit the  fan, can I hang out with you guys?

i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/mbumgarnerii/mystockpileMedium.jpg



Maybe you should sell the printer and table and buy more ammo and mags.



Yeah, I could just keep my computer on the floor.  Or no, I'll sell my computer and house too.  Then I can live under a bridge with all my ammo and my AR.  Will you come visit me and bring me meals?  Make sure you identify yourself as an ar-15.com member, or else I'll shoot.


Sure. I made roasted chicken with thai rice and grilled zucchini this evening. I still have some home made cheese cake too. Which bridge?

I'll be wearing my team AR15.com hat.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 8:36:05 PM EDT
[#2]

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I guess I kind of come off rude in my question.  I don't mean to.  I'm really curious. Maybe there is some situation that I would need it.  Just can't imagine one.



It's all part of the hobby, I buy 400 rounds of WWB .223 a week for 6 weeks straight during the winter. I also buy XM193  2K during the winter and 1k of WIN. Q3131 stuff so to make a short story shorter, I end up on average 5k to shoot during spring and summer and I'm sitting on 2k XM193 (2004), 1K Q3131 (1994) 1k WWB.223 (current) it looks cool to see a 3 tier shelf loaded with ammo in my gun room.  Oh, I forgot to mention 500 rounds WWB 9mm, 100 rounds 9mm Black Talon, 200 rounds of Hornady 10mm (HOTstuff )that was made when 10mm became popular with the civilian market. 200 rounds of 308's. Damn, I don't even own a 308.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 8:57:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Hell I ordered 2000 rounds and I don't even have a complete rifle yet.

1k of M193 for SHTF and 1k of Wolf range fun. My girlfriend thinks the 60 rounds I bought at WalMart is all I'll have for a while but what are the other eighteen 30rd mags for?

I plan on having a few more thousand on hand after I move.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 9:06:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Yea, I mostly just buy ammo and mags now.  Well....except for that little detour last weekend of a RIA 1911 and 500 rds. of .45acp.  Great,...now that's another kind of ammo I have to buy.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 11:05:46 PM EDT
[#5]
1000 rounds of ammo is not that much...

In a SHTF situation, you are not going to John Rambo, running around killing people. You will either be running from zombies or hiding from an invading army, or being a resistitance fighter to an invading army that has magically defeated the greatest military force in the world.

Both highly unlikely scenarios... and i mean, extremely unlikely.

But if it were indeed going to happen, 1000 per rifle sounds about right. You would probably get killed if you needed more than that anyway. For escape/evasion or just causing trouble, 1000 for one person is about right. However, many with delusions of grandeur (google constitutional armies) like the idea of training and arming their own militias to fight boogeymen. To each their own. Some buy cars or insurance for the few important possesions they have. Others stockpile ammo fearing and hoping for war at the same... which reminds me. Our good friends at stormfront () like to remind us of the upcoming racial wars, whoopie!
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:54:51 AM EDT
[#6]

Theres a serious russian ammo shortage right now, why dont you ask those guys who are sitting on 10 or 12k rds of 762x39 if they regret "stockpiling"?


I'm sitting on 10k of 7.62x39 and I'm not regretting it

I've got about 40k rounds between 7.69x39, .223, and 7.62x54R.  The only problem is when you have to move and lug it with you (as I'll find out in two weeks...ugh)

Link Posted: 3/5/2006 3:31:40 PM EDT
[#7]
It's all about the coming zombie infestation.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 3:44:14 PM EDT
[#8]
Ammo and hard liquor store easily forever and if TSHTF, you can trade them for anything your heart desires!
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 4:50:02 PM EDT
[#9]
In the last year or so I have buying and storing surplus 8MM Mauser and 7.62 x 54r ammo. One never knows what the future supply of surplus ammo will be, I have several weapons in those calibers and I don't want to get caught short.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:02:22 PM EDT
[#10]
I hate walmart.  But, I do occassionally find myself having to shop there; things happen.  Considering that the majority of their crap is from some communist country, I feel that it is my patriotic duty to buy a box or three of ammo when I'm forced to enter their doors.  Winchester, Remington, UMC, PMC....they are American workers needing their jobs.

A couple of trips per month and you can start building a "stockpile" pretty quick.

I was in Dick's Sporting Goods, today (looking at optics for my AR - of which they had none), when I caught sign of a sign.  Said sign stated that all Remington UMC 9mm ammo was 25% off.  An additional 10% off is available if you buy a case.  I shoot 9mm like it's going out of style, and I've always had good luck with UMC ammo.

Suffice it to say that I bought 1000 rounds of 115g FMJ for $113.02 - total.  Just a cursory check of the internet sites shows this to be a very good deal.

Am I expecting an invasion?  Do I foresee hordes of zombies knocking on my door?  Nope.  But, I do like to shoot and I do like to save money.  Buying in bulk saves a ton of mula, and it's just plain cool.  If you don't like it, don't do it.  If I was to have 5000 rounds of defensive ammunition laying around the house, that's my business.  Ain't hurtin' nobody!!!
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:16:36 PM EDT
[#11]

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I was in Dick's Sporting Goods, today (looking at optics for my AR - of which they had none), when I caught sign of a sign.  Said sign stated that all Remington UMC 9mm ammo was 25% off.  An additional 10% off is available if you buy a case.  I shoot 9mm like it's going out of style, and I've always had good luck with UMC ammo.

Suffice it to say that I bought 1000 rounds of 115g FMJ for $113.02 - total.  Just a cursory check of the internet sites shows this to be a very good deal.



Funny you should mention that.  I took my son's to the range Friday and besides the ARs we brought 2 9MMs.   Man, can they go through it.  The first ad I checked in todays paper was the Dick's flyer.  I always use their UMC for the 9s.  Always worked fine.  Of course I don't use it for carry but for steel silhouettes it's fine.  They usually don't tell you its a extra 10% off by the case it just comes off at the register.  Tomorrow will be 9MM stock up day +.   Enjoy yours
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:42:59 PM EDT
[#12]
The best reason to keep a good supply of ammo is not zombies,armegeddon or SHTF but politics. Remember it wasn't that long ago that our anti gun Democratic friends enacted the assault weopons ban. With Hillary Clinton being a real possibility of being our next president you could see a whole bunch of new laws especially if the democrats take control of the Senate. Laws against importation, ammo taxes and ammo registration, limitations on quantities purchased etc. And the U.N is doing their part too. Their are politicians out there all over the country presenting these bills to their state senates now, and the only reason most of them don't pass is
if your state is lucky enough to have a Republican majority in power.

BD
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:52:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Bstock, get on it, hoss!  Heck, I just might run back tomorrow, too, and get another case.  PMC/UMC = good stuff.  35% off = great deal.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:43:02 PM EDT
[#14]
1. Ammo is easy to store for years if not decades.

2. You know you'll shoot it eventually, even if it does take years.

3. It ain't getting any cheaper.

4. The supply could be reduced or cut off by world events.


I do think some have a tendency to over-emphasize SHTF around here.  Most SHTF scenarios in my memory have been either urban riots (Miami, L.A.) or hurricanes (Andrew, Katrina).

I might add earthquakes, but there seems to be a psychological effect of earthquakes that leads most people to behave better, in comparison to hurricanes.  I think it's because earthquakes strike without warning, so the bad elements don't have time to psych themselves up for committing mayhem.  Also, looters may be deterred by aftershocks.

But, in any of these situations -- earthquakes, hurricanes, riots -- it's not normal to expend a lot of ammo.  Often the mere display of a mean-looking pump shotgun or AK rifle will resolve any problems that crop up.  Looters are looking for easy loot, not sucking chest wounds.

As has been pointed out, zombie incursions are a different problem entirely, as the undead are not at all intimidated by mean-looking guns, and multiple solid hits are often required to disable them.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 3:15:12 PM EDT
[#15]

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Bstock, get on it, hoss!  Heck, I just might run back tomorrow, too, and get another case.  PMC/UMC = good stuff.  35% off = great deal.



Picked up all they had and at the checkout I was told that  Dick's does not give a case discount anymore.  Returned all but 1K because I needed some.  $128 on sale with tax incluced.  Have to start looking online again. When I got home I made a few phone calls and was told that the discount was not Dick's policy but was at the descretion of the store managers.  
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 3:27:42 PM EDT
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As has been pointed out, zombie incursions are a different problem entirely, as the undead are not at all intimidated by mean-looking guns, and multiple solid hits are often required to disable them.



If it would come down to it, I'll take out the Ninja sword and go jackie chan on thier ass.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 3:47:24 PM EDT
[#17]

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Ammo and hard liquor store easily forever and if TSHTF, you can trade them for anything your heart desires!



Yep, on both counts. I had 2 bottles of OLD 1889 Bourbon dating from the '60s and some 264 Win Mag ammo my great uncle bought somewhere during the same period.

I drank one bottle of Bourbon- ok taste and I didn't go blind.

Took a box of the ammo to the range and it went bang.

Two for two!

ETA Plus what Big-Dog said.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:18:56 PM EDT
[#18]
I'm just preparing for the 2006 State Elections 2008 Federal Elections.  

If it goes bad I don't want to be caught with my pants down.  
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:28:16 PM EDT
[#19]
1000 rounds of M193 (just ordered another 1k)
750 rounds of M855
1000 rounds of AE223

Ammo goes quickly and I hate going to funshop to buy it.

I'm not expecting a horde of zombies or the Canadians any time soon but you never know about door to door salesmen.  

The only thing that's come close to getting me lately was a bowling pin, a stack of tin cans and some paper targets.  It took 1000 rounds to take 'em out but it was worth it because I made it home safely.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:48:25 PM EDT
[#20]
When all those flipping birds with the flu finally get to our shores, we have to take em out on the beaches before they make it inland.   AND THAT TAKES AMMO!!!

And if the sick birds don't make it, hey, it's fun to stockpile the cases of ammo and look at it.  All my 30K+ rounds of Ausie 7.62 NATO.... that I got for 16 cents a pop...... has just increased in value during the year and 1/2 that I've owned it.  I'm sure I could make a nickel a round in profit on this stuff these days.  (Don't ask, that's NOT an offer to sell).
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 5:04:38 PM EDT
[#21]
I've been taking advantage of the "no tax" state of New Hampshire today.  Picked up 500 rounds of Remington 9mm at Dick's Sporting Goods and 400 rounds of Walmart WWB .223.  I'm waiting to see if the Walmart gets more WWB.  

BTW, where's that "Wallyworld clerk gave me a strange look" thread?  I'd have to add another +1 in that thread.  I thought the guy was gonna have a heart attack on me when I said I'll take all they had.  It was only 10 boxes?  

-X  
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 5:07:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Just got 2k of lake city xm193 today, unpacked it all and filled a couple of .50 cal cans

As I told my wife, "It's a start."
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:21:17 PM EDT
[#23]

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I'm just preparing for the 2006 State Elections 2008 Federal Elections.  

If it goes bad I don't want to be caught with my pants down.  






I agree with you 100%.

Besides buying the living shit out of 40S&W and 223....... I have also been stocking up on supplies to start reloading if I ever need to. I have enough supplies right now to load 10k if needed be.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:34:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Could someone please tell me why I have 1000 of linked  Port .308 and no rifle to shoot it?

I feels good just to have it!

For my AR15, I do like to keep 1,200 of Israeli brown box M193 on hand. For casual shoots, I'm now on a quest to clear out every box of WWB 40-packs at all three WalMarts around me. 6000 would feel good to have.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:06:20 AM EDT
[#25]

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I guess I kind of come off rude in my question.  I don't mean to.  I'm really curious. Maybe there is some situation that I would need it.  Just can't imagine one.



You're not imagining hard enough!!    Do you do much shooting?  If you do much shooting, then you'd know how easy it is to go through a few hundred rounds in just an hour or two at the range.  In a hostile environment with tons of aggressive bad guys, you'll go through the ammo even faster.  A few thousand rounds is NOT that much.  

My politically incorrect list of potential bad guys:
The Chinese
The illegals who want to make my state part of Mexico again.
Our peace loving Muslim "friends"
All those angry tuff jigga thugs.  

and of course zombies and aliens.



Here, here! Down here in the border states, there is a problem with all types
of "undesireables" just walking over. We're not so worried about the lawn-mowing
and fry-cooking types. We're worried about the Zetas and the Al Qaeida types that
have just waltzed across the border. Therefore, buy ammo while you can at a reasonable price.
I'm a Navy vet and a former scout, and I believe in being prepared, as well as knowing how
much I shoot at the range when I go. Also, remember the Klinton days. They could come again,
and this time worse.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:07:40 AM EDT
[#26]

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1) Ammo never goes down in price. 2) A gun without ammo is a fancy club. 3) importation can be cut off wth the stroke of a pen. 4) you won't be able to get any/enough if you wait til there is a disaster going on - the first thing the govt does is make selling guns/ammo illegal.

5) having lived through the primer famine, and continual cries by Moynihan and his cronies to put huge taxes on ammo, I vowed to never be at their mercy again.

It's nothing to go through 500-1000 rds in a day long shooting session.



Agreed on all points.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:02:56 AM EDT
[#27]
The guy at Wally world told me they consider 10 boxes of the value pack a case. I picked up 3K hitting 4 stores in our area twice in the last two weeks. I have another couple of K of various and 2K of SHTF ammo as well as 2K of 308 in battle packs, 2K of 38 and at least 2K of 40 caliber.
I just like to have what I want we I go shoot. I hate to find something that shoots really well in my guns like the WWB (Israeli) and they quit making it.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:36:56 PM EDT
[#28]

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Maybe I'm just jealous that I can't afford that much.

Here's all my shtf ammo.   25 Blackhills 75gr Heavy Match hollows.  But If the S*** Does hit the  fan, can I hang out with you guys?

i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/mbumgarnerii/mystockpileMedium.jpg



Maybe you should sell the printer and table and buy more ammo and mags.



Yeah, I could just keep my computer on the floor.  Or no, I'll sell my computer and house too.  Then I can live under a bridge with all my ammo and my AR.  Will you come visit me and bring me meals?  Make sure you identify yourself as an ar-15.com member, or else I'll shoot.


Sure. I made roasted chicken with thai rice and grilled zucchini this evening. I still have some home made cheese cake too. Which bridge?

I'll be wearing my team AR15.com hat.



It's that bridge with all that graffiti on it,  you know.   BTW, I Love cheescake!!!.  bring your AR too, we can pop off a few rounds.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:35:33 AM EDT
[#29]
Some people smoke, some people drink or gamble, I shoot. Having 5k of rounds is nothing. Does a chain smoker keep one pack of smokes in the house? Heck no. Does a serious gambler go to the casino with 5 bucks? No.  Same with serious shooters. We can burn through a couple thousand rounds in a weekend (sometimes a day) with no problem.

While weather conditions or some killer disease is the most likley SHTF scenario, I never rule out the evils of liberals, socialists or a Klinton. These are the worst zombies of all.


C.M.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:56:04 AM EDT
[#30]
Amen, Brother!

With all this corporate "down-sizing", plant layoff, and (of all things) Ford Motor and General Motors inching torwards bankruptcy, I do not forsee STABILITY in our country or economy.

I would hope so, but do not be blinded.

Anyone remember that "Katrina thing" when they were taking away your guns?

BUY AND STASH!

---Woodrow---

"Get there firstest, with the mostest."
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 12:27:09 PM EDT
[#31]
- punitive taxes (they've proposed 10,000%)

- ammo registration

- serialized ammunition

- cost increases

- availability issues

- suppressive fire in bad situations

- training new shooters in a SHTF situtation

- resupplying allies/friends

- because I can  
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 1:23:44 PM EDT
[#32]

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- punitive taxes (they've proposed 10,000%)

- ammo registration

- serialized ammunition

- cost increases

- availability issues

- suppressive fire in bad situations

- training new shooters in a SHTF situtation

- resupplying allies/friends

- because I can  



I am 100% agreement.  I also horde many other things.  The way I look at it is if a item has a really long shelf life, you don't have to refrigerate or keep it heated, you have plenty of space and the price is right buy it till it hurts.   Example.  Bounty (the big roll) paper towels were on sale in 1999  5 rolls for a dollar.  Since one of my hobbies is cars and a go through a load of paper products I bought almost a room full.  We ran out last week and my wife was shocked that the same towels were now close to a buck a roll on sale.  I buy cases of canned and jar foods when a great sale comes around and have the dates marked on all the packaging.  We sometimes go weeks without going grocery shopping except from fresh fruit, vegetables and milk.  I saves you a ton and you are never out of anything.  Don't tell me my money could have been making interest (rule of 72 etc) all these years because 5% interest ends up to be 3% at best after taxes.
Just got a email from AMMOMAN and it states he has a small amount of XM193 in stock for $249. per thousand.  You all know what we were all paying last year.  
The best point you make thedoctors308 is resupplying allies/friends.  Good neighbors and friends  with empty firearms don't help the neighborhood at all.  
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:51:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Are you all paying for this ammo with cash or credit?  I am thinking about stockpiling, but I'd have to use credit, too many other expenses to plunk down that much money for ammo at one time.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:23:01 PM EDT
[#34]
When, not "if", the SHF, it's might be nice to have a few $90 SKS's and a few K of ammo to issue friends.  When you stock pile ammo, which is fine, but, make sure you have enough firearms to properly utilize the ammo you have. I think in a possible SHTF situation  having the firepower of several guns for several hours might be more advantageous than having one or two guns for several days.  I know, it depends on the situation, but if you stock pile for the flurry, you'll be ready for the long run as far as ammo and guns that is.


Prepare for the worse, and hope for the best, and vote.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 7:59:03 PM EDT
[#35]

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Are you all paying for this ammo with cash or credit?  I am thinking about stockpiling, but I'd have to use credit, too many other expenses to plunk down that much money for ammo at one time.



I know what you mean.  At one time 500 rounds for me was a hugh stash.  Luckly I am at the stage of my life where I can buy my toys for cash.  Worked hard & was lucky also.  I wish the same for you.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 8:07:08 PM EDT
[#36]

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When, not "if", the SHF, it's might be nice to have a few $90 SKS's and a few K of ammo to issue friends.  When you stock pile ammo, which is fine, but, make sure you have enough firearms to properly utilize the ammo you have. I think in a possible SHTF situation  having the firepower of several guns for several hours might be more advantageous than having one or two guns for several days.  I know, it depends on the situation, but if you stock pile for the flurry, you'll be ready for the long run as far as ammo and guns that is.


Prepare for the worse, and hope for the best, and vote.



That's what I tell my wife. If one rifle goes down it easier to just grab another and repair if time permits.  Can't have enough complete bolt and carriers for emergancys.  Luckly all black rifles look the same to her and she probably thinks I have  two.  I tell my son's, never but never have more than two ARs visible at one time and don't tell Mom the safe combo.  
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 8:14:45 PM EDT
[#37]
A FIREARM IS JUST A PAPER WEIGHT WITH OUT AMMO
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 2:18:30 PM EDT
[#38]

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 Luckly all black rifles look the same to her and she probably thinks I have  two.  I tell my son's, never but never have more than two ARs visible at one time and don't tell Mom the safe combo.  



LMAOOO


Longhunter
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 2:54:59 PM EDT
[#39]
its so easy to shoot 500rds in one day and  I dont spray it to make NOISE!

If it wasnt for us guys Federal/Winchester etc!   would be hurting BAD

Shit in IN Q3131A in 2002/3 was 2.34 a box

I wish I bought more than a case and a 1/2 Back Then
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:34:19 PM EDT
[#40]
I recently got around to buying multiple cases of ammo, there is a price break at certain points depending on what ammo you are buying and how much you are buying.

I plan to shoot for the rest of my life.  The politics of shooting may get worse but I plan to buy some land where I can shoot and hunt on my land and that will be that.

I would not buy ammo on credit, it increases the cost considerably and generally I figure you are better buying a box or two each week at about the same cost per round simply because it is paid for and no one is making money off of your purchase with interest.  Well actually the gun store is making the money instead of some credit card company.

I basically study things and try to buy at the cheap prices of today and store it for tomorrow, the paper towel example is an excellant example of this.

I buy food when it is on sale and I try to learn when it goes on sale so I can buy enough to hold me over to the next sale.  Even if canned goods go on sale once a year, I try to have a big enough food pantry to store enough to hold me over.

Fuel prices are something everyone knows about.  I am not ready to buy a winter's worth of fuel yet to hold me over for the high cost of diesel during the winter months but I am getting ready to install a big fuel tank on my truck so that I can fuel up when it is cheap and drive for a few weeks until the prices come down again.

So the ammo price question is something that I am working on in many areas.  If it is something I use a lot then it makes sense to buy it in quantity in order to lower my cost overall.

Besides, I get the biggest smile when I put my feet up on my coffee table sized stack of ammo cans.  They just sit there and won't be messed with for a long while but I like knowing they are bought and paid for and can hold my feet up while I watch movies.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:29:52 PM EDT
[#41]
I am quite young, and I have 4 kids. I want to make sure I have enough ammo to pass on to them cause my guess is that they will not be able to get the good stuff like 5.56 and 7.62x39 20-30 years from now. The way things have been going there could be an all out gun ban in 40-50 years so I want to make sure  all my children and grandchildren and even great grand children are all well armed if it is at all posiible. I am raising my kids to support the 2nd ammendment above all else. If a SHTF thing happens (which it probably will) then we are all the more prepared for it. I however am putting togther my childrens and grand childrens inheritance while  its still possible.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:22:55 PM EDT
[#42]
When you find it cheap, you stock up.

Then you don't have to worry about running out soon or running out to the store before the trip to the range.
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