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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:04:35 AM EDT
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As noted by the ammo faq tacked to the top of this forum and current pricing for "real" mil spec M855 ammo.
It's not cheaper than other ammo, unless your buying the "seconds". It does have a steel core if it's true M855 rounds. As accurate as quality M193 rounds Only problems I'm aware of came from batches of "seconds". Mike |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:21:47 AM EDT
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No. It has a tungsten penetrator in front of the lead core.
Absolutely FALSE! M855 is notoriously marginally accurate due to the above mentioned penetrator. 2.5 MOA is about the norm with M855. Of course it can be shot thru a can. No problems have been reported with it FUNCTIONALLY speaking. But apparently some of the "PD" packed stuff has contained DAMAGED rounds. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:28:12 AM EDT
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FWIW, the IMI M855 I have shoots on par with the Q3131A at 100 yards outta my rifles (14.5" w/ permFS LMT & 16" CMMG, both 1/7, both Aimpoint equipped). I believe it to be real M855, hence my comments above. Mike ETA -  From the www.ammo-oracle.com, M855 detail pic, hence my "steel" comment above. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:29:57 AM EDT
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No, it's a steel core. M995 has the tungsten core. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:31:42 AM EDT
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Thanks brou, thought I was losing my mind for a moment.....
 Mike |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 9:39:12 AM EDT
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 Steel Penetrator in front of a lead core? I think someone here said the penetrator makes up 17 grains of the 62 grain total weight. In any case, I've Got IMI .223 to group well under my best M855 group. It's definitely combat accurate, but I've heard my USMC relatives get pissed about it. ...Shooting 4s and 5s all day and then WHAMMO... some friggin flyer. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 11:04:54 AM EDT
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ouch 
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Posted: 2/9/2006 1:09:30 PM EDT
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It's a 7 grain steel penetrator. Most of the core is lead. I have recovered a gazillion of them off steel plates. It's surprisingly big, yet it's only 7 grains. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 1:45:23 PM EDT
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this is what I've found into my Igman
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Posted: 2/9/2006 3:26:51 PM EDT
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Tungsten is non-magnetic and steel is. Do the magnet test. M855 is magnetic hence the steel core.
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Posted: 2/9/2006 4:49:24 PM EDT
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Tungsten is also denser than even lead. Steel is far less dense than lead, which is why the largish steel penetrator only weighs 7gr. If it was tungsten and was the same size, it would weigh around 45gr.
Tungsten is an expensive, "strategic" metal, and we buy most of ours from Russia. -Troy |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 4:35:42 AM EDT
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REALLY? When we shoot them on our steel that penetrator bursts in a shower of sparks! It's cool at night! |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 5:29:53 AM EDT
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Nope, it would weigh 17.12 grains. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 6:50:34 AM EDT
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Why do you feel, just because you have been here a while, that you dont have to read all the tacked threads which clearly answer your elementary questions? Are you "speshul?" 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 7:00:18 AM EDT
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The tacked threads DO NOT talk about running it thru a suppressor. Nor do they have the "hands on" testimonials that I seek here. They don't tell why its cheaper than other ammo. I ain't "speshul." But you apparently can't read.  |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 7:21:15 AM EDT
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Well, you had to be a dick, when I was just ribbing you.... so flame on jerky.
That is because it is a silly question.
Bullshit. TACKED That is tacked, with TONS of hands on testimonials... and links to many other testimonials, from ARFCOM users, with polls on reliability, etc. 
That is because, in general, IT ISNT, SILLY BOY. In general, green tip SS109/M855 is more expensive than most surplus M193 alternatives. Do some research.
Pot-kettle-black my friend. As I said, perhaps you should read a bit more before opening your mouth so much. 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 7:52:24 AM EDT
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Did you not see my sarcasm emoticon -- - -> ???
Really? Given I've got about $1,000 in my suppressor, and tolerances are low, and bullets not stabilized coming out of the barrel could cause a baffle strike, why is my question silly?
Sorry, I missed that. Sue me. For the amount of time you wasted in CHOOSING to enter this thread, when you claim everythign i want to know is in tacked threads.
It IS cheaper. YOu want the link? www.aimsurplus.com YOU do some research. So as I say, my questions ARE legit, and ask for material NOT contained in tacked threads. So back off, dude.  |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:15:59 AM EDT
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Yeah, I missed that. Sue me. 
Sure it is. Bullet stabilizaton is a factor of bullet length, and twist rate. Of course, that information is also tacked at the top.
My people will be contacting your people.
Sigh. Must I school you again? That is ONE SPECIFIC type of surplus green tip. You didnt mention ADCOM in your post at all. You stated "green tip" and in GENERAL, M855/SS109 green tip ammunition cost more than many other alternatives. Hell, I can go to Wal-mart and buy .223 ammo cheaper than that Adcom after shipping charges. To add insult to injury, if you were really interested in the ADCOM specifically, THAT IS tacked at the top, in the "Ammunition Review and Reference" thread. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=253108
I am off, dude. You are still wrong. 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:33:04 AM EDT
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WASH YOUR HANDS!
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:14:29 AM EDT
[#20]
Backatcha 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:10:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:13:01 AM EDT
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Cantcha feel the love?
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Posted: 2/10/2006 5:06:11 PM EDT
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Well, sorry, but he's for the most part right about M855 being more. Especially when you compare apples to apples as far as quality goes. The only thing is, I think this may change because 193 is getting harder to find with prices going up and I think M855 has been coming down in price. I personally wouldn't have a problem with this. Some of us are just short on patience sometimes. You'll probably be one to someday. Although some people are better at being smart alecs than others. 
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:12:58 AM EDT
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DUDE - on the AImSurplus website, there are TWO - count 'em TWO DIFFERENT kinds of green tip - BOTH less expensive than your run of the mill 55 grain commercial stuff. NOT just Adcom - ALSO the LC stuff. So back off punk. This ain't your conversation. So....was I pretty good at being a smart alec there?  |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:27:34 AM EDT
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I challenge you to find BOXED lake city for that price. Or on stripper clips. That's probably PD stuff which is like 2nd or 3rd tier. The adcom looks good, I have some too. But I don't know if it's in the same ballpark as Winchester or Federal. I wonder if it blows up my carbine if the sellers would back it up?  I might have to get more of that stuff too.And yes, that was very smart alec. I don't know if that's a good thing though. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:51:39 AM EDT
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Why would I want to pay for boxes, or stripper clips that I AM GONNA THROW AWAY???? The thing is this - I have PROVEN EVERY question I asked was valid for a SEPARATE thread - and NOT answered in the tacked threads. So, let it go y'all. Or report me to site mgmt. 
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:23:12 AM EDT
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Simply put.... Boxed ammo is typically higher quality. Stripper clipped ammo is typically first rate, destined for the field. I agree tho, stipper clipped ammo is typically more expensive and I dont care for paying more for the clips or convenience. I DO prefer boxed ammunition... because: Loose packed ammo is *typically* reject ammunition, some people call it "floor sweepings" although that is not a literal term. It is generally accepted that anytime you purchase loose ammunition, you must inspect each round, by round, to look for defects that would actually be very dangerous to shoot. This is very common to find these defects in BOTH types of ammo you referenced on the AIM website.... ADCOM and XM855PD. Crushed necks, large dents, bent rounds, backwards primers, waaaaaaay too deeply seated bullets, etc. If I have to inspect every single round for this amount of issues... I had better get it a LOT cheaper than $180 plus shipping. ($25) For instance... Ammoman has brand new AE 55gr (non milspec) for $209 delivered. The stuff at AIM would cost me $205 delivered... Which do you think I will buy?
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:41:55 AM EDT
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Thanx for the info. THAT is why I asked "Why is it cheaper?" |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:24:51 AM EDT
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After reading that post... I realized that I really lumped Adcom in with PD. Both have shown to have a high number of defects.... but ADCOM has far less significant defects than the reports of the PD ammo.... so I didnt want to sound like Adcom was THAT bad. Given the choice, I would go with Adcom.... but I still would inspect it and see if the defect rate was bad enough to make me continue to inspect. |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 11:44:10 AM EDT
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Bottom line is I just ordered 2,000 rounds 55 gr Fed Am Eagle from Natchez for $399 shipped. Best price I've seen. |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 11:49:38 AM EDT
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Very interesting. |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 11:53:36 AM EDT
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2.5moa?
With Santa Barbra SS109 I get 1 inch groups @ 1oo yards with a bushwacker 20HBAR /10x scope |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 4:40:43 PM EDT
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Which is why I kinda get pissed about the "its in the tacked threads" crap. Aren't we here to help each other? Am I really imposing upon "you" if I ask a question that is SORTA answered in a tacked thread? You guys helped me make a good decision. For that I am grateful. Please accept my thanx. And if a question is KINDA SORTA answered in a tacked thread, just don't answer the question, rather than spout off " Its in teh tacked threads." Rant over. Thanx again for the help. I THOUGHT? that's what we are all here for. |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 5:09:08 PM EDT
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The steel penetrator in M885 is there to keep the bullet from deforming before it can "penetrate a standard NATO helmet at 600 M." It's mass contribution to the projectile is exactly the difference between the M885 bullet and the M193 bullet. Interesting, eh?
Tungsten isn't the only high density metal used in projectiles, nor is it the most strategic or expensive. Depleted uranium is both denser and more strategic than tungsten, and we get that all at home. |
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Posted: 2/12/2006 8:17:32 PM EDT
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I am NOT here to help you. I am here to get laid by multiple hot chicks. It just isnt' working out all the great yet, but I will keep ya posted.
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Posted: 2/12/2006 8:19:26 PM EDT
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+999999999^10 |
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