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Posted: 10/21/2003 9:43:04 AM EDT
Just bought 2 boxes of 75 grain TAP for Home defense use

any opinions on this round? is there a different round i should consider

my bbl has a 1:7 twist rate i do believe
it is a colt upper

sorry if this is a repost i couldnt find anything on search

thanx

JIM
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 9:54:07 AM EDT
You couldn't find anything in search - when there are currently 2 active threads on the topic? Hornady 75gr Tap is one of the best possible rounds you can get for self protection using your AR-15. The only one that would be 'better' is the 77gr Mk262 Mod 1 using the Nosler 77gr cannalured bullet (big group purchase going on right now). For more information you might also want to check here: [url]http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum78/HTML/000440.html[/url]
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 10:25:59 AM EDT
thanx forest ill search again
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 10:39:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 4:54:23 PM EDT
so far it's been the most accurate in my colt. But there's still alot I haven't tried yet. happy hunting!!
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 5:15:39 PM EDT
thanx guys That link didnt work?
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 5:22:21 PM EDT
thanx guys That link worked but i couldnt figure out where TAP info was
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 5:57:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/21/2003 5:59:28 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 6:21:06 PM EDT
Aimless, The 75gr TAP doesn't use a polymer tipped bullet like the other TAP offerings. It actually uses the 75gr BTHP bullet, which is quite an effective performer. Ther is a 75gr A-MAX round (which is the type used in the other TAPs) which performs like you suggest, but it's not offered in the TAP line. It's also VERY difficult to load it to mag-length.
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 9:10:52 PM EDT
It's also a good idea to actually shoot a few rounds of that in your rifle BEFORE you might need it.You want to make sure it's reliable in your rifle.Just like you'd put 100-200 rounds of your carry ammo through your CCW weapon, you want to do the same to your home defense rifle.
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 9:28:06 PM EDT
I had used the TAP 60G for reactive targets very accurate not a very hot round but kills water filled pumpkins and water jugs great stuff expands well havent tried the 75 tho
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 3:56:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/22/2003 7:03:54 AM EDT
thanx for the replies fellas i am planning on going to the range with it to see how it works thanx
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 7:49:31 PM EDT
brouhaha, has somebody done gelatin testing with the amax? I'm not doubting you but when you look at the ballistic tip on it, it looks alot smaller than their vmax and what's the other one, sst? seems like it would stay together better. I guess It doesn't matter anyways unless you always want to shoot single shot. eh?
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 7:58:28 PM EDT
jjrea, I'm sure somebody has, but I can't recall seeing any data on it. In the next few days I'll look into that. It IS possible to load to magazine length, but (for me, at least) it's quite difficult.
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 8:13:19 PM EDT
It's not a big deal, just interesting. If you look at a nato loaded round, it's not all that much slower than a .243. Barely at all. Winchester shows their .243 55 grain ballistic somewhere in the 3400's. But thats from a 24" barrel. Take it down to 20" and I bet it's not overly hotter than the .223 nato. Plus the heavier .224 bullets have better sectional density than most of the .243 bullets. On top of that if you look at the factory specs on Hornady the 75 grain .223 is carrying as much energy at 500 yards as the .243. And they want to get rid of the round?(military) For hunters, it seems like we're one bullet away from ecstasy with the .223. The problem is, you have to reload your own to get that pressure in a bullet good enough for hunting. Except for what you guys are doing with black hills, hopefully it'll go well enough that they'll keep making more. What do you think? Did I lose you?
Link Posted: 10/24/2003 8:22:47 PM EDT
One of the reasons it interests me is for awhile now, my cousin has been using 80 grain .243 for deer hunting. It doesnt leave much of a blood trail but it kills like lightning. They don't usually go very far. Even when hit in the guts. That bullet just acts like a blender. He was the first one to get on to this. Then my uncle, his dad, has some guy that reloads him 110 grain ballistic tips for his .30-06. Same thing. FRAGMENTATION. They would never go back to heavier hunting bullets. They do the job fine, but you guys have got it figured out fragmentation kills quick. I've seen what it does. Which brings me to my story. I was going to get a .243 also but I thought to myself, self I think you can somehow come up with a winner for deer hunting with the .223. This year I'm going to use hornady's 75 grain bthp. I would be less leary if I knew it was loaded to nato pressures though. I told you this whole story because I'm glad you guys do what you do here and thanks for trying to get us the perfect .223 round. If there is a such thing as perfect. By the way, has anybody got any yet? (mk 262)
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 8:22:38 AM EDT
only heavy bullets for hunting as far as i am concerned 300 Grain 45-70 puts deer down real quick No tracking involved they just flop over dead :)
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 10:31:29 AM EDT
WAIT A MINUTE, MY BAD, I looked at the winchester book and the 55 grain is a lot faster than I thought. Sorry for posting bad information. But the question still is, will it penetrate enough and expand enough. (fragment) from what I've read here the answer is yes and I'm going to find out. Bult 4 mud, I'm sure it does kill them quick but I don't have a .45-70. Actually I take that back, I do. It's hanging over my fireplace though and it's from 1873. So I don't feel like using it much. It would be fun though. I know there are lots of calibers that work on deer. I've used several. But I'm still going to try the .223. also, I didn't really mean you needed nato pressures to hunt with a .223 that's not really the case. I just think it would be more effective, obviously.
Link Posted: 10/25/2003 5:28:47 PM EDT
I have seen real world results from the 55 TAP and highly recomend it for use, shot was fired from a 1/9 14.5 inch BM at 45 yards.
Link Posted: 10/26/2003 5:21:42 PM EDT
is the 55 tap the amax? i thought it was 52 grains. regardless, real world results. did it penetrate well? or did it blow up and not penetrate to much?
Link Posted: 10/26/2003 7:24:34 PM EDT
ill see if i can find some tap in 55 grain thanx
Link Posted: 10/26/2003 9:14:55 PM EDT
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