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Posted: 9/16/2003 3:33:33 PM EDT
Ok, after a long day of bringing home the bacon, I don't want to try to make sense of ammo-oracle or any other such data.

Here's my question:

I have a DPMS 16" (m4 profile as if that mattered) non-chrome 1:9 barrelled upper. Which of the following would give me the best results?


Winchester USA 223 Rem 55gr FMJ (Q3131A)
OLYMPIC 223 GREEN TIP (SS109) 62 GRAIN - STEEL CORE
Federal 223 Remington, Lake City Brass, 55 gr FMJ

This is purely blasting ammo, but I want to actually be able to hit something if I try. I'm in no way concerned with the wound channel, stopping power, etc. I want it to fly out the barrel and generally in the direction of the target.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 3:39:55 PM EDT
If you're lazy, you want a shotgun as you don't really have to aim.
but I want to actually be able to hit something if I try.
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Like what? Is it a barn door? Horse-fly at 500 yards? Nose hairs at 200 ft?
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 3:51:45 PM EDT
I have shot alot of XM193 its been very good to me. Have shot Win Q3131 also with good results. I prefer the LC XM193 though.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 3:54:35 PM EDT
Q3131A would be my choice since it's usually lower in price than LC and has better availability. Also, read the ammunition review tacked to the top about what people have to say about various types of ammo.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 4:07:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hail Mary: If you're lazy, you want a shotgun as you don't really have to aim.
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Don't know much about shotguns, do ya?
Like what? Is it a barn door? Horse-fly at 500 yards? Nose hairs at 200 ft?
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Well, considering we're talking about comparing the ammos' performance out of the same rifle, I really don't think that it matters what I'm shooting at. The three selections I put down (based solely on price) sure aren't going to hit a horse-fly at 500 yards, now are they? For the sake of simplifying it so you can keep up, let's say that I want to shoot a 12" square at 100 yards. Thanks Knightsar and Zhukov for the help.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 4:21:59 PM EDT
Forget the Olympic ss109, it's crap. It's the only ammo I've ever had a problem with, lots of FTF, even locked up my bolt carrier. If you want some SS109 go with IMI M855 or Hotshot, I've had success with those, though the Hotshot was alittle dirty.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 6:20:17 PM EDT
For the sake of simplifying it so you can keep up, let's say that I want to shoot a 12" square at 100 yards.
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You can do that with Wolf, and it is probably some of the cheapest stuff around...
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 6:51:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Nate1:
For the sake of simplifying it so you can keep up, let's say that I want to shoot a 12" square at 100 yards.
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You can do that with Wolf, and it is probably some of the cheapest stuff around...
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True, that may be reeeeeeally lowering the bar, but other qualities of the ammo interest me as well (dirty, flash, etc.) and I was hoping y'all had some input on this.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 8:14:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2003 8:18:35 PM EDT by tatjana]
Originally Posted By techbrute: Ok, after a long day of bringing home the bacon, I don't want to try to make sense of ammo-oracle or any other such data.
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Frankly, one of the major reasons we put up the [url=http://www.ammo-oracle.com/]AR15.com Ammo Oracle[/url] is because after a long day of bringing home the bacon we are tired of answering the same basic questions every single day about the same ammo in the same rifles for people too glued to their lay-z-boy chairs to do 15 minutes of their own damn homework. Don't get me wrong, I love helping people, but not if they get into the habit of consulting me like some kind of lexicon because of some alergic reaction they have to work. That the poster here expects this as a matter of course is somewhat annoying. That he announces it with something like pride makes me quite angry. Overall, it makes me highly unlikely to be willing to help at all and in the end it's just plain rude.
Here's my question: I have a DPMS 16" (m4 profile as if that mattered) non-chrome 1:9 barrelled upper. Which of the following would give me the best results? Winchester USA 223 Rem 55gr FMJ (Q3131A) OLYMPIC 223 GREEN TIP (SS109) 62 GRAIN - STEEL CORE Federal 223 Remington, Lake City Brass, 55 gr FMJ
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Of course, we have no idea. Each rifle is an individual and some hate ammo that others love. I have two Bushmasters I acquired from the same place and that are less than 200 off in serial numbers that are total opposites when it comes to which ammo they like.
This is purely blasting ammo, but I want to actually be able to hit something if I try. I'm in no way concerned with the wound channel, stopping power, etc. I want it to fly out the barrel and generally in the direction of the target.
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Then buy whatever is cheap and see if it works.
Link Posted: 9/16/2003 8:18:23 PM EDT
Just save up for the deals when they occur on Q3131a, like when Bass Pro Shops had a sale for $144/1000rds. Get lots and lots (like 3 cases if you can get away with it). Federal XM193 is also good, but not as many good deals. Get lots of either, forget the rest. Ghost
Link Posted: 9/17/2003 4:58:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By techbrute:
Originally Posted By Hail Mary: If you're lazy, you want a shotgun as you don't really have to aim.
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Don't know much about shotguns, do ya?
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I only shoot trap once a month and I never aim; I just follow the bird with my eye and pull the trigger when it feels right. Seems to work.
Originally Posted By techbrute:
Originally Posted By Hail Mary: Like what? Is it a barn door? Horse-fly at 500 yards? Nose hairs at 200 ft?
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Well, considering we're talking about comparing the ammos' performance out of the same rifle, I really don't think that it matters what I'm shooting at. The three selections I put down (based solely on price) sure aren't going to hit a horse-fly at 500 yards, now are they? For the sake of simplifying it so you can keep up, let's say that I want to shoot a 12" square at 100 yards.
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You've obviously never seen the horse-flies near Virginia Beach! I can't vouch for your rifle or shooting but I can hit a 12" square at 100 yards with Wolf in an M16 all day long shooting weak hand. The Winchester is good as I've been able to stay under 4" with iron sights on a Thompson Contender. The only DPMS upper I ever owned was a 20" beast that never ran better than 90% so it was Ebayed; can't help you with the 16".
Link Posted: 9/17/2003 5:25:20 AM EDT
Tatjana, I'm really sorry you feel put out, but I posted this in a public forum, and you are free not to answer. For your information, I'm glued to technical manuals right now, not a lazy boy chair. The little shotglass I have for a brain is full of other things right now. I did read the entire page, and managed to gleen some important information from it. However, I was hoping that someone had some experience with the actual ammo that I had referenced, and I figured around here that someone might have a similar setup and know if one round or another gave significatly different results. One of the posters, phobia, has given me some insight on the Olympic, and after checking the pinned posts, it seems that the general consensus is that it is inferior ammo. I typically buy ammo by the case, and before I commit to buy hundreds of dollars worth of ammo, I'd like to get some input on wether it would shoot well. I plan on purchasing small quantities for testing, but again, I'm trying to get a starting point. If you don't want to help, then keep moving.
Link Posted: 9/17/2003 5:29:52 AM EDT
BTW... Tatjana, thank you for the work you put into ammo-oracle.
Link Posted: 9/17/2003 10:01:43 AM EDT
Techbrute, I have had good luck with both Winchester USA 55gr FMJ and Q3131A through my 16" DPMS (M4 profile too, if it matters [;)]). No failures of any type, and the rfiel seems to run pretty clean with it. I use the USA stuff when I don't have time to mail order, but I like the satisfying punch of the Q3131A enough that I just bough 1000 rds this weekend. Can't comment on the other brands, haven't used them. I have some American Eagle stuff but always forget to break it out at the range, I just like the Winchester stuff so much!
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