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Posted: 8/19/2003 8:50:26 AM EDT
I have a Colt HBAR. 1:7 twist with a 20 inch barrel. As is given, the smaller grain bullets over stabilize with it. I don't reload and have not the time for it. I live well off the beaten path so retailers only carry 55 gr. around here. So I'm looking for somewhere online to buy the larger grain bullets but have had no luck with my limited searching abilities. That and I also find it easier to go to the source which is why I posted this here. There seems to be a great wealth of knowledge on this board and am damn grateful for it. TIA for any help!
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 9:33:36 AM EDT
http://www.georgiaprecision.com/cart/items/BHANatoAmmo.htm sorry do not know how to make the link hot.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 9:42:04 AM EDT
Thanks MAXX!! I'll be sure to check that out!
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 9:47:41 AM EDT
55gr will stabilize in a 1/7 just fine.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 10:02:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2003 10:04:15 AM EDT by SHIVAN]
Originally Posted By S-Maxx: [url]http://www.georgiaprecision.com/cart/items/BHANatoAmmo.htm[/url] sorry do not know how to make the link hot.
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I do. [toilet]
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 10:22:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4Nate: 55gr will stabilize in a 1/7 just fine.
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I've heard this before. Maybe overstabilization isn't the correct word for me to have used. It just doesn't seem like I'm getting tight enough groups. Maybe, it is just me.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 10:32:44 AM EDT
A 1.5" or 2" (or more) group at 100yds with mil-spec ammo and mil-spec barrel is to be expected. It's not made to be match quality. One of my rifles will do a 1" group, while the other will do a 3" group. Differing 55gr loads can vary just as wildly through the same rifle. 75gr or 77gr ammo MAY improve your groups, but that's up to you and your rifle. The heavy ammo IS good stuff, and can be highly accurate. If you're looking for a tack driver, that's probably where you should start. But if you want to blast away and get 1/2" groups, it's gonna get mighty expensive.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 10:36:34 AM EDT
[url]http://www.radomski.us/njhp/major.htm[/url] This is the best price you can get 75 grain Hornady OTM for by the case.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 12:27:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: [url]http://www.radomski.us/njhp/major.htm[/url] This is the best price you can get 75 grain Hornady OTM for by the case.
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Dev, Damn! That is a good price. Have you run any of this through a chrono yet and if so, is it as hot as the Black Hills reloads? What about muzzle flash? Reliability? Thanks, -Charging Handle
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 1:40:32 PM EDT
I received an e-mail back from Carl regarding this, here's what I have so far, I sent him another e-mail back. "Pressure Unk(nown) that's a factory issue, it's loaded to 2830-2840 fps and it's loaded to SAAMI specs"
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 2:30:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wyv3rn: I received an e-mail back from Carl regarding this, here's what I have so far, I sent him another e-mail back. "Pressure Unk(nown) that's a factory issue, it's loaded to 2830-2840 fps and it's loaded to SAAMI specs"
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Did he advise what barrel length this was measured from? I have to assume a 24" barrel based on that velocity.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 2:37:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Did he advise what barrel length this was measured from? I have to assume a 24" barrel based on that velocity.
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That would be my guess. That's the question I asked in my e-mail back to him. Haven't received a response yet. I also asked if they recrimp the primers and seal them.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 4:13:39 PM EDT
I have not had a chance to buy any yet. The reports I have heard were that its loaded light and no where near 5.56 levels and I doubt if it has sealed primers but its a very good range practice ammo. A lot of people are using it in competition with great success.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 5:56:04 PM EDT
Thanks Dev.
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 12:08:38 AM EDT
Fulton Armory seems to have very competitive prices on Black Hills (75g & 77g)ammo. You can find a link to their site in the Industry section here on ar15.com
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 5:37:31 AM EDT
Forgive me if I'm seeing something wrong, but Fulton Armory does NOT seem to be competitive in prices. I mean $525 for 500 75 gr Heavy from Fulton vs $246 for 500 75 gr Heavy from Georgia Precision. My math tells me that more than 2x the price. It's not just the 75 Heavy but the 77 SMK too. I mean the NATO OTM from GP is only $590 for 500. Big Al
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 7:56:56 AM EDT
Its $590 for 1000 of the Black Hills 77 grain NATO not for 500. Its $300 for 500. Can anyone find a better deal than the $255 for 1000 75 grain from the Major? From reports I have heard and from the Blue Box that was chronoed while shooting with Brouhaha it seems to be loaded to the same levels as Black Hills Blue Box.
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 8:20:58 AM EDT
Just got an e-mail back from the Major. The 2830-2840fps is: "Out of my Kreiger 7.7 twist 20" DCM Bushmaster. Out of my Douglas 8 twist (with considerable more rounds through it) about 50 fps less." As for the crimp or seal: "Primers are not crimped and nor sealed, this is commercial ammo not military. This ammo is made for precision target shooting and it will hold 2-3" elevation at 600 yards." If it really moves that fast though, might still be some nice ammo, you can always seal it yourself. Is there a tool to add the primer crimp yourself?
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 8:23:08 AM EDT
From reports I have heard and from the Blue Box that was chronoed while shooting with Brouhaha it seems to be loaded to the same levels as Black Hills Blue Box.
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What was your chrono numbers for the blue box?
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 12:06:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wyv3rn:
From reports I have heard and from the Blue Box that was chronoed while shooting with Brouhaha it seems to be loaded to the same levels as Black Hills Blue Box.
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What was your chrono numbers for the blue box?
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2569 fps average from a 16" 1/7 Colt HBAR
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 12:08:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GSSP: Forgive me if I'm seeing something wrong, but Fulton Armory does NOT seem to be competitive in prices. Big Al
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Big Al, I see what you're saying and I noticed that too. Here's what I was looking at - [u]BH 75g re-man[/u] Georgia Precision: 50rnds $19.58 Fulton Armory: 50rnds $18.50 [u]BH 77g re-man[/u] Georgia Precision: 50rnds $25.19 Fulton Armory: 50rnds $23.95 I think the other numbers were a typo for 500/1000 and from what I can tell it looks like it has been changed now. Not that big a difference but certainly competitive on the small quantities. Above that GP sells by 500's and FA sells by 1000's. Hope this clears up my earlier post.
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