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Posted: 5/12/2003 12:25:00 PM EDT
Anyone else use this stuff? It seems pretty decent. Wish I had a chrony, anyone know what this clocks out of a 20"? It was coming close to going through my 1/4" mild steel gong @100y
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Even my wife has an AR
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 11:12:59 PM EDT
YEah, I would like to know more about it too. [img]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/product_images/777/AMM-202.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?dept%5Fid=20221&sku=AMM%2D202&imgid=&mscssid=CVTB45TV0Q4V8NNU8FLTC6KUQQ03C501[/url]
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 11:13:49 PM EDT
im going to bring this one back...Ive shot about 200 rounds of it so far with no problems, and it did fine at 100 yards with my 1:7 colt HBAR. Anyone out there have any oppinions/information? Thanks
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 11:35:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dravisar: im going to bring this one back...Ive shot about 200 rounds of it so far with no problems, and it did fine at 100 yards with my 1:7 colt HBAR. Anyone out there have any oppinions/information? Thanks
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Thanks, I am happy to see that someone has shot it. I have a question that I think may help many of us here. Is it possible for you to pull one of the bullets out of the case and see if its the same size of a regular M855/SS109 round? I w ould do it, but I am not gonna be able to buy some until the next gunshow.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:43:39 PM EDT
The bullet is full Nato-Spec SS109. I wish someone would chronograph the stuff, though.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:48:51 PM EDT
What are you guys paying for it? I have never seen it. Bob
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:19:00 PM EDT
The GS that i frequent has it for $29.95 per hundred.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:11:55 AM EDT
Century wants $190/1000 + shipping, I assume.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:09:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ohio: The bullet is full Nato-Spec SS109. I wish someone would chronograph the stuff, though.
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Not that I dont trust what your saying, but do you by chance have a link or source for this info?
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 12:55:27 PM EDT
Send me your ammo!! I will chrono it out of 11.5 16 and also 20 inch. Hope soon I will get to the range and chrono some...its just so damn hot here in AZ now. Jason
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:31:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By Ohio: The bullet is full Nato-Spec SS109. I wish someone would chronograph the stuff, though.
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Not that I dont trust what your saying, but do you by chance have a link or source for this info?
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SS109 is a specific standard for bullet construction; they must be spec to legally use the name. 855 is the US standard that includes velocity, which is what we are debating. Anyway, the HotShot is [b]exactly[/b] the same as the Igman Bosnian military ammunition, except the paint color. It is full spec SS109; a NATO round.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:33:28 PM EDT
Send me you address, and I'll just take you up on that. You have to promise to send me the info separate, and post it here. I'll send you some of the Igman military ammo as well, so we can compare the velocities.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:06:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By dravisar: im going to bring this one back...Ive shot about 200 rounds of it so far with no problems, and it did fine at 100 yards with my 1:7 colt HBAR. Anyone out there have any oppinions/information? Thanks
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Thanks, I am happy to see that someone has shot it. I have a question that I think may help many of us here. Is it possible for you to pull one of the bullets out of the case and see if its the same size of a regular M855/SS109 round? I w ould do it, but I am not gonna be able to buy some until the next gunshow.
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I pulled the bullet out, it indeed is M855/SS109 bullet construction. Unfortunately I don't have chrono so I can't test for velocity. Tried the stuff, accuracy is okay, a little bigger then 1MOA out of my 20" Colt 1/9 heavy barrel.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 9:32:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CWM4A1: I pulled the bullet out, it indeed is M855/SS109 bullet construction. Unfortunately I don't have chrono so I can't test for velocity. Tried the stuff, accuracy is okay, a little bigger then 1MOA out of my 20" Colt 1/9 heavy barrel.
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Thanks for doing that and welcome to the board! With your help, I now know what I'll be buying a half case of this weekend! [:D]
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 12:51:53 AM EDT
You are welcome! Glad I found this place. If I did earlier then I don't have to go through the painful experience with Olympic crap that I ordered. One thing I don't really like the HOTSHOT stuff is the green tip part, seems like they dip into some really thick green paint, so the layer of the green paint is really thick and uneven, don't know what that will do to aerodynamic though. Anyway, it shoots reliably (no FTE, goes bang everytime for 300rds), that's for sure.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:54:36 AM EDT
http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/ss109.txt "NATO specifications for SS109 (U.S. M855) Ball require a 61.7 grain (q 1.5 grains) with a hardened steel penetrator at a velocity of 3,025 fps (q 40 fps) from a 20 inch barrel 25 meters from the muzzle. Typical velocity 15 feet from the M16A2's muzzle is around 3,100 fps. The accuracy requirement from a test fixture equates to a maximum of approximately four MOA over the 100 to 600 yard range. Typical accuracy of average lots in an M16A2 is about 2+ MOA. This round must also penetrate a nominal 10 gauge SAE 1010 or 1020 steel test plate at a range of at least 570 meters (623 yards). The M193 round will penetrate this same plate reliably at 400 yards, and about half the time at 500 yards. The 5.56mm and 7.62mm NATO rounds will penetrate it reliably out to 700 yards or more. Nominal ballistics for M193 and M855 Ball rounds are given in an accompanying table. The tables were constructed from the latest data supplied by the U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 9:06:24 PM EDT
So, where's the best deal on this stuff?
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 4:59:02 AM EDT
I love how they have a huge American Flag on the box but its made in another country.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 5:13:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By STANMAN: So, where's the best deal on this stuff?
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Century arms www.centuryarms.com They have a flat 12.50 shipping charge, and a $75 minimum order. Don't forget to grabb 500 rds of the PMP "Gazelle" ammo while you're there, $72. Look around, lots of cool stuff. Flat shipping, so load up.
Link Posted: 6/14/2003 10:32:43 PM EDT
I love this ammo, got 1000 sitting in cans for 'bad days' and abotu another 500 for range days. Shoots well, little dirty, but the AR runs dirty anyhow... dirtly little girl she is....
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