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Posted: 10/22/2002 6:32:28 PM EDT
Chestnut Ridge has some "PMC military" (on strippers in a can) listed as M193. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thx in advance.
Link Posted: 10/22/2002 9:08:12 PM EDT
As far as I know, PMC hasn't produced any mil-spec ammo in a while. I think they had the Lake City contract sometime in the 1980's, although I can't remember the exact year or years they produced it. I know there was plenty of PMC M193 floating around in the late 1980's. It was packaged in camo boxes. As far as quality, it was traditional M193.......good stuff.

Whether this PMC is some of the same stuff or not, I have no clue. I have seen some Korean 30-06 and .30 carbine Korean surplus on the market lately, it was loaded for them by PMC. The M193 may be some of the same stuff.
Link Posted: 10/22/2002 10:23:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/22/2002 10:24:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 6:04:16 AM EDT
BTW, PMC is now owned by Blount, therefore a German company. It is still mostly made in Korea, but some of ther newer ammo has MADE in U.S.A. on the back, so it looks like some production is now domestic.
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 3:58:17 PM EDT
Troy,

I correct myself for being wrong about PMC producing ammo at Lake City in the 80's. I guess I made the mistake of assuming that because it was packed and sold like Federal's XM-193, that it too was American mil-spec ammo. Adding to that, I have heard several people say that PMC ran the Lake City plant for a few years in the 1980's! Where that came from I have no idea, but again, I apologize for giving out bad info.

Does anyone know what the velocities are on the older (early 90's) and newer (post 99) PMC ammo? I have some of the older stuff as well as the new and would just kinda like to know how it performs.
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 4:02:16 PM EDT
Give the the type and or product code for the new PMC that you have. I have the book with the info right here.
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 4:02:56 PM EDT
Give the the type and or product code for the new PMC that you have. I have the book with the info right here.
I think I have the info for the older stuff, but I will have to look for that info.
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 4:36:05 PM EDT
Obershutze,

What I have in boxes and assume is the newer stuff is marked 223A (with R.O. Korea) and is packed in the red and white box.

The other stuff I have is older PMC that is loose ammo which my uncle gave me, therefore I have no box or product # for these. But the cases are marked identically to the other ones and were probably bought in the early 1990's. Thanks.
Link Posted: 10/23/2002 5:00:29 PM EDT
I'm going to bed now. I will look up the info on the older ammo and post all I have tomorrow aftenoon.
Link Posted: 10/24/2002 4:14:35 PM EDT
I didn't have time to look up the info for the old ammo, but here is the new info.

PMC223(A)

Velocity 3195(muzzle) 100yds - 2882, 200yds -2525, 300yds - 2169, 400yds - 1843, 500yds - 1432

Energy in Ft pounds - Muzzle - 1246, 100yds - 1014, 200yds - 779, 300yds - 574, 400yds - 415, 500yds - 250

Path in inches muzzle -1.5, 100yds + 1.4, 200yds - 0.0, 300yds -6.8, 400yds - 21.1, 500yds -46.

This is based on a 200 yard zero.

This is also a boat tail bullet. Hope this helps.
Remember, factory specs are almost always high.
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