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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:13:59 PM EDT
Go easy, gang, I'm just a civilian.
When a branch of the military decides to upgrade a rifle, do they just swap out the upper? Do they use A2 lowers & add an A4 upper to make a current issue rifle? What happens to the leftovers? Do they ever hit the civilian market? Thank you--I keep hoping for surplus parts but never see them. The parts from Canada can't come into the US. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:18:39 PM EDT
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Sometimes they use kits to upgrade.
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:19:47 PM EDT
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Any idea where the leftovers go?
Group buy 
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:26:04 PM EDT
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Any idea where the leftovers go? Group buy |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:45:56 PM EDT
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Drat, drat, and double-drat!
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Posted: 5/29/2017 3:21:52 PM EDT
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When parts break they just replace the parts. Lowers last forever, so do the uppers. Most units (even Infantry) don't shoot nearly as much as you'd expect so the weapons last a really long time. The M4's are in the process of being upgraded to M4A1 specs which is a re-barreling and swapping out some parts in the lower. I don't know what happens when a unit switches from say M16A2's to M4s, where the A2s go, but they sadly don't hit the surplus market, not even the parts that are non-NFA.
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Posted: 5/29/2017 4:09:14 PM EDT
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I don't know what happens when a unit switches from say M16A2's to M4s, where the A2s go, but they sadly don't hit the surplus market, not even the parts that are non-NFA. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 9:21:54 PM EDT
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Lot of A2's in the ANA, AFAIK.
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Posted: 5/30/2017 2:41:57 PM EDT
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When we upgraded our M4s to M4A1s they swapped the uppers completely but kept the same lowers. They brought in engravers to add the A1 nomenclature on the mag well and crossed out the "burst", adding in "auto". The techs that came to do the conversion had no idea what was going to be done with the old uppers, as I had asked "for reasons". And they did a pretty thorough numbers check to ensure none were "left behind"
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Posted: 5/31/2017 9:00:08 PM EDT
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Ohio Ordnance got some A2 uppers a few years ago
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Posted: 6/30/2017 3:45:43 PM EDT
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Captain Crunch at Anniston Army a Depot is used to mangle surplus/unusable weapons. Surplus weapons also sent friendly regimes and through FMS. I doubt you'll ever see authentic US military parts kits sold in United States. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 4:26:33 PM EDT
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From what I saw on a show on the History Channel, the stuff getting crunched looked like it was rolled over by a tank and suffered an ied blast
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Posted: 7/15/2017 12:41:23 PM EDT
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First they study the issue for about 10 years then they spend 14 million dollars studying the options. Then they choose an option everyone thinks is retarded.
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Posted: 8/13/2017 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Ohio Ordnance got some A2 uppers a few years ago |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:51:38 PM EDT
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correct they go to Captain Crunch at Anniston Army a Depot is used to mangle surplus/unusable weapons. thank Prez Clinton for that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Captain Crunch at Anniston Army a Depot is used to mangle surplus/unusable weapons. Surplus weapons also sent friendly regimes and through FMS. I doubt you'll ever see authentic US military parts kits sold in United States. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:37:57 PM EDT
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There are literally tons of small arms at ANAD. Most of the M14, M16A1 rifles, and M1911A1 pistols in storage are there. I got to visit last year but I only saw the DRMO and one of the mile-long warehouses built in 1942. It looked like the government warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. They used a forklift to get to the crate of Sage EBR stocks I was looking for.
I'd guess Ohio Ordnance bought the A2 uppers from a foreign government or domestic LE agency. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 5:52:17 AM EDT
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With the exception of older stuff because nobody bothered to update the system, small arms parts are Demil code "D", which translates to destroyed.
The only source for "surplus" parts are Stolen Gov't property Slipped through the demil process. Rare, but it does happen. With that, the GOv't might come looking for them. Foreign imports. For example, M-16A1 kits from Malaysia. LE guns that were loaned by the US Gov't. From what I have always understood, while an LE agency can convert the M16A1 into an M4, they have to be able to return the M16A1 in complete condition to the Gov't. How much that is enforced, I don't know. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 9:41:24 AM EDT
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LE guns that were loaned by the US Gov't. From what I have always understood, while an LE agency can convert the M16A1 into an M4, they have to be able to return the M16A1 in complete condition to the Gov't. |
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Posted: 9/3/2017 3:07:24 PM EDT
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Would love to get my hands on some surplus parts...XM177 would be a great bucket list build.
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