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Posted: 3/9/2016 10:27:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Necessity is the mother of invention. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By 10Point3:
Originally Posted By Munzy:
From roughly the same time period, this is Larry Vickers' personal clone of his Modelo Prison raid rifle. https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/3713_10156381079025416_8562105822434669907_n.jpg?oh=71cddbd0c9f1dc85ca1d69b411157704&oe=570C070F how exactly are the hose clamps attached to the handguard? I'm guessing he used the holes in the handguards somehow. Mr Vickers did a short write-up that showed up on Soldier Systems Daily that included some of this information. It's a pair of machine screws (and washers) through the handguard holes, held by square nuts on the outside. The hose clamps have hols cut in them to allow for the machine screw to pass through. Bicycle tubing keeps the vibration down and the fit tight against the handguard. That little bump you see on the side is a cobbled-together push switch installed locally and routed underneath the bicycle tubing. The flashlight is a scuba light that's been painted black, I don't know the model. Necessity is the mother of invention. The Delta Boys did a lot of inventing along the way! |
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Posted: 3/10/2016 8:05:55 PM EDT
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Making a post so that Nipster's post will appear. Mods, can we please get that fixed???
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Posted: 3/10/2016 10:51:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USSF06: Making a post so that Nipster's post will appear. Mods, can we please get that fixed??? I don't think there is a way to fix it. Whenever I notice it, I just highlight my address bar and find where it shows me what page it is, then replace the last number in the page with the next. Fixes it on my end anyways. |
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Posted: 3/11/2016 1:57:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I don't think there is a way to fix it. Whenever I notice it, I just highlight my address bar and find where it shows me what page it is, then replace the last number in the page with the next. Fixes it on my end anyways. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By USSF06:
Making a post so that Nipster's post will appear. Mods, can we please get that fixed??? I don't think there is a way to fix it. Whenever I notice it, I just highlight my address bar and find where it shows me what page it is, then replace the last number in the page with the next. Fixes it on my end anyways. Great fix! I'll remember that one. Thanks. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:25:45 PM EDT
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Larry Vickers posted this on his Instagram today along with another shot of some similar rifles.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BC8L-LhIoM4/?taken-by=vickers_tactical&hl=en |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:28:00 PM EDT
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LAV posted these of prop rifles from the movie.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: LAV posted these of prop rifles from the movie. https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12814617_10156637917210416_5838071556528643088_n.jpg?oh=3024cd8511900341573765105fbe0f9d&oe=574CFAF3 https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/942299_10156637917225416_2802950119632091444_n.jpg?oh=82b84c4f3577453a449e8298cd389ad7&oe=575111D6 https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12814669_10156637917300416_4270343606004689398_n.jpg?oh=2c6d90881cdb773be420dc630239e06c&oe=5791442F https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12814160_10156637363140416_7560328785661176994_n.jpg?oh=6bb629989051cebaeb3f36825ac1aad0&oe=5798CB88 Muzzle brake on that first painted carbine?  |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:45:05 PM EDT
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The ones without the A2 upper are rubber stunt props. Used in scenes were there is risk of injury to the actor.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
I had an old CSM that was in Regiment about that time period. He took a cue from an old AK muzzle device and had his flash hider milled out at the sides. And I had a 1SG during the invasion of Afghanistan that put a Mini Y comp on whatever he shot. At any rate, I wouldn't be surprised if it were Hollywood or accurate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
LAV posted these of prop rifles from the movie. https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12814617_10156637917210416_5838071556528643088_n.jpg?oh=3024cd8511900341573765105fbe0f9d&oe=574CFAF3 https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/942299_10156637917225416_2802950119632091444_n.jpg?oh=82b84c4f3577453a449e8298cd389ad7&oe=575111D6 https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12814669_10156637917300416_4270343606004689398_n.jpg?oh=2c6d90881cdb773be420dc630239e06c&oe=5791442F https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12814160_10156637363140416_7560328785661176994_n.jpg?oh=6bb629989051cebaeb3f36825ac1aad0&oe=5798CB88 Muzzle brake on that first painted carbine?
I had an old CSM that was in Regiment about that time period. He took a cue from an old AK muzzle device and had his flash hider milled out at the sides. And I had a 1SG during the invasion of Afghanistan that put a Mini Y comp on whatever he shot. At any rate, I wouldn't be surprised if it were Hollywood or accurate. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:53:47 PM EDT
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The first two pictured with M4 double heat-shield handguards and detachable carry handles are solid "rubber ducks."
The painted one is the screen used prop from the film and matched to the "this is my safety" scene, though it cannot be verified whether it was actually Eric Bana holding the prop, or a pick-up shot. It is, however, definitely the same rubber duck that the camera pans down to show the selector lever. The "odd" muzzle device is simply damage to the prop. The third rifle (top in the group photograph) with the CAR handguards and A2 upper is a composite replica of one of the "hero" firing props used in the film, which were built by Simon Atherton in the UK, and while they superficially resemble the RO727, are "frankenguns" built with a mix of commercially available parts. The ProTech helmet is also a prop from the film, and lacks the AN/AVS-6/9 mount visible in most period photographs. ~Augee |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:04:33 AM EDT
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Good shit, gents.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:59:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tweeter]
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Rubber ducks have barrels that are legit steel, using real parts. Even the front sights have adjustable posts.
Well, on the new ones that aren't completely fucked up anyway. Originally Posted By zodtgr8:
The ones without the A2 upper are rubber stunt props. Used in scenes were there is risk of injury to the actor.... Rubber ducks aren't issued for injury to the actor, they're simply cheaper for the production company to rent or buy. For all the ancillary characters few prop guns were used, and most of them were simply passed around between scenes. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 1:10:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Augee]
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The rubber ducks from TASC that are designed to mimic not only the look but weight and balance of real rifles for training purposes use real parts.
"Rubber ducks" (as a generic term) used in the film industry are rarely constructed this way, and significantly lighter than an actual firearm. The pictured props are extremely light, and solid plastic/rubber with wire loops in place of the side sling swivels, and in general not of particularly high quality. ~Augee |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2016 1:25:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:33:47 PM EDT
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1 month bump to keep this wealth of information from disappearing.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 10:13:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ABNglocker: 1 month bump to keep this wealth of information from disappearing. No need to bump to keep it from going to the archives. This little icon  in front of the thread title means it will stay active. It's kind of like a pinned thread, but it doesn't stay at the top of page 1. |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 7:51:25 PM EDT
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Just to help keep it up; some Delta snipers were outfitted with AIM 1 lnfrared lasers. I found one and now the replica of Randy's M14 is complete.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2016 9:18:57 AM EDT
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Love this thread!
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USA
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:56:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryInterested in the details on that light mount set-up. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 10:50:44 AM EDT
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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2016 2:26:30 PM EDT
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Wow, this page just keeps getting better.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 1:38:31 PM EDT
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FYI, last time I checked, Gun Gallery in Jacksonville had a few of the correct surefire bezels in stock. If anyone is looking.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 5:39:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 103:
FYI, last time I checked, Gun Gallery in Jacksonville had a few of the correct surefire bezels in stock. If anyone is looking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am and I'm in jax! Thanks |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2016 10:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aeneas2020:
I am and I'm in jax! Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aeneas2020:
Originally Posted By 103:
FYI, last time I checked, Gun Gallery in Jacksonville had a few of the correct surefire bezels in stock. If anyone is looking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am and I'm in jax! Thanks Any luck? |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 1:58:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nipster74:
Any luck? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nipster74:
Originally Posted By Aeneas2020:
Originally Posted By 103:
FYI, last time I checked, Gun Gallery in Jacksonville had a few of the correct surefire bezels in stock. If anyone is looking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am and I'm in jax! Thanks Any luck? Was out of town just got back, will have to check this weekend. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2016 4:34:34 PM EDT
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What size bike tubes are you guys using?
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Posted: 8/28/2016 5:42:59 PM EDT
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Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV. There is nothing wrong with that. I think Augee said those rails started being issued in the mid-nineties. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 9:03:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666: There is nothing wrong with that. I think Augee said those rails started being issued in the mid-nineties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV. There is nothing wrong with that. I think Augee said those rails started being issued in the mid-nineties. Ohhh boy. I've got a C7 upper on ice in my parts bin... |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:57:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV. They were brand new in 1995. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 4:57:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV. They were brand new in 1995. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 8:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI: They were brand new in 1995. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Would it be wrong to build a BHD rig with a drop-in RAS? Wonder when those rails first showed up in CAG and DEV. They were brand new in 1995. Roger that, thanks.  |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 10:38:40 AM EDT
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723 Modelo Raid/SCUD Hunter carbine (minus light) & 727 carbine clones.
Extended flash hiders will get removed eventually and get replaced with pinned A2's and jam nut/spacers. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 1:41:56 PM EDT
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boomshackalacka. Nice.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 1:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
723 Modelo Raid/SCUD Hunter carbine (minus light) & 727 carbine clones. Extended flash hiders will get removed eventually and get replaced with pinned A2's and jam nut/spacers. <a href="http://s947.photobucket.com/user/RBMIII/media/2016-08-272022.02.44.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272022.02.44.jpg</a> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272021.08.44.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272021.11.42.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/0eefbb7e-675f-4f7e-a48f-46b36f1eca12.jpg</a>" /> Now you need to find a used dive light on ebay and figure out how Vickers attached it to the lower handguard |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 2:57:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
boomshackalacka. Nice. Thanks' 
Working on the light mech4matsnova, among a zillion other things. It's a low priority item for me. The mounting technique and hardware used on Vickers' is covered earlier in this thread. The model, I'll have to research, I know Larry has named it in the past, I just can't recall it. I'd also have to track down a older style com switch similar to the one on his that was. Then again, it is fine for my liking. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 9:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Now you need to find a used dive light on ebay and figure out how Vickers attached it to the lower handguard Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Originally Posted By stinkypol:
723 Modelo Raid/SCUD Hunter carbine (minus light) & 727 carbine clones. Extended flash hiders will get removed eventually and get replaced with pinned A2's and jam nut/spacers. <a href="http://s947.photobucket.com/user/RBMIII/media/2016-08-272022.02.44.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272022.02.44.jpg</a> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272021.08.44.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/2016-08-272021.11.42.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/RBMIII/0eefbb7e-675f-4f7e-a48f-46b36f1eca12.jpg</a>" /> Now you need to find a used dive light on ebay and figure out how Vickers attached it to the lower handguard Hose clamps, IIRC |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2016 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
Mr Vickers did a short write-up that showed up on Soldier Systems Daily that included some of this information. It's a pair of machine screws (and washers) through the handguard holes, held by square nuts on the outside. The hose clamps have hols cut in them to allow for the machine screw to pass through. Bicycle tubing keeps the vibration down and the fit tight against the handguard. That little bump you see on the side is a cobbled-together push switch installed locally and routed underneath the bicycle tubing. The flashlight is a scuba light that's been painted black, I don't know the model. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By 10Point3:
Originally Posted By Munzy:
From roughly the same time period, this is Larry Vickers' personal clone of his Modelo Prison raid rifle. https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/3713_10156381079025416_8562105822434669907_n.jpg?oh=71cddbd0c9f1dc85ca1d69b411157704&oe=570C070F how exactly are the hose clamps attached to the handguard? I'm guessing he used the holes in the handguards somehow. Mr Vickers did a short write-up that showed up on Soldier Systems Daily that included some of this information. It's a pair of machine screws (and washers) through the handguard holes, held by square nuts on the outside. The hose clamps have hols cut in them to allow for the machine screw to pass through. Bicycle tubing keeps the vibration down and the fit tight against the handguard. That little bump you see on the side is a cobbled-together push switch installed locally and routed underneath the bicycle tubing. The flashlight is a scuba light that's been painted black, I don't know the model. As posted by tweeter, regarding the mounting of the scuba light on Vickers' 723. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 11:05:55 PM EDT
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I dig the Lone Star Grips.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2016 9:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR:
I dig the Lone Star Grips. Thank's. |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 11:09:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ARKAR]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
Thank's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
Originally Posted By ARKAR:
I dig the Lone Star Grips. Thank's. You're welcome. I have two and you have inspired me to use one on my 727 clone I am building. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2016 5:22:08 PM EDT
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The other "period" flashlight that works is a D cell mag light and 100mph tape.
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Posted: 9/13/2016 11:14:02 AM EDT
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2016 11:34:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Now with big head F/A for more late 80s awesomeness. The only thing it needs now is a 14.7 pin job <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100349_zps3efxwyz0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100349_zps3efxwyz0.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100402_zps90vemp5r.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100402_zps90vemp5r.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100424_zpsbjmyucm0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100424_zpsbjmyucm0.jpg</a> Nice. |
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Posted: 9/13/2016 10:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Now with big head F/A for more late 80s awesomeness. The only thing it needs now is a 14.7 pin job <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100349_zps3efxwyz0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100349_zps3efxwyz0.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100402_zps90vemp5r.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100402_zps90vemp5r.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100424_zpsbjmyucm0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160913_100424_zpsbjmyucm0.jpg</a> That looks awesome. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:51:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, super nice!
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Posted: 9/16/2016 2:00:28 PM EDT
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Destined for a replica of one of the R0727s used by 3/75 during the operation. ~Augee |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2016 8:47:27 PM EDT
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Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Did they really stick out that far though? Seems farther than the pics I've seen.
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Posted: 9/17/2016 5:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Did they really stick out that far though? Seems farther than the pics I've seen. Many of the carry handle mounts available at the time were designed for full length rifle scopes and quite long. Many of them were later cut down to length, but not all of them, e.g.: 
You can see that the mounts extend to just about the third rib or so of the handguards from the receiver, compare to this mock-up with Colt handguards (it has a lot of incorrect parts and is for a different configuration, the parts were just thrown on as an approximation): 
The period photograph is, of course, of R0727s being carried by Lieutenants from 3/75. ~Augee |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 5:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee: Many of the carry handle mounts available at the time were designed for full length rifle scopes and quite long. Many of them were later cut down to length, but not all of them, e.g.: http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim038/727_375_zpsfdvjur1h.jpg You can see that the mounts extend to just about the third rib or so of the handguards from the receiver, compare to this mock-up with Colt handguards (it has a lot of incorrect parts and is for a different configuration, the parts were just thrown on as an approximation): http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim038/7077B976-8C8F-4EE9-900F-FEB7EDC2109A_zpsequwekgs.jpg The period photograph is, of course, of R0727s being carried by Lieutenants from 3/75. ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee: Originally Posted By JJREA: Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Did they really stick out that far though? Seems farther than the pics I've seen. Many of the carry handle mounts available at the time were designed for full length rifle scopes and quite long. Many of them were later cut down to length, but not all of them, e.g.: http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim038/727_375_zpsfdvjur1h.jpg You can see that the mounts extend to just about the third rib or so of the handguards from the receiver, compare to this mock-up with Colt handguards (it has a lot of incorrect parts and is for a different configuration, the parts were just thrown on as an approximation): http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim038/7077B976-8C8F-4EE9-900F-FEB7EDC2109A_zpsequwekgs.jpg The period photograph is, of course, of R0727s being carried by Lieutenants from 3/75. ~Augee I had one of those mounts I got from Brownells. I cut it back but I didn't know they were fielded uncut. Good shit Augee. |
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