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Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
I apologize sir I'm not a LE at all. I was trying to figure out where you guys stand in confidence in this product as far as overall ruggedness. I do appreciate the comments about temp as you can imagine that would be a concern for any user in a potentially low temperature environment such as myself. So from your statements it seems you guys are ready to call this duty ready as long as temps don't fall to -20? View Quote That being said, if you wind up owning the optic, it gets super cold, and the glass shatters like the T-1000 in Terminator 2 after his liquid nitrogen bath, well... that's what the lifetime warranty is for. |
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Also, PFran42's double stamper is freakin' sweet. Thanks for sharing.
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Yes, that's a fair statement. I can't imagine you would want to be outside for very long if it was -20 either, so I guess the rule of thumb would be, try not to leave the rifle outdoors all night if it's going to get that cold. That being said, if you wind up owning the optic, it gets super cold, and the glass shatters like the T-1000 in Terminator 2 after his liquid nitrogen bath, well... that's what the lifetime warranty is for. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
I apologize sir I'm not a LE at all. I was trying to figure out where you guys stand in confidence in this product as far as overall ruggedness. I do appreciate the comments about temp as you can imagine that would be a concern for any user in a potentially low temperature environment such as myself. So from your statements it seems you guys are ready to call this duty ready as long as temps don't fall to -20? That being said, if you wind up owning the optic, it gets super cold, and the glass shatters like the T-1000 in Terminator 2 after his liquid nitrogen bath, well... that's what the lifetime warranty is for. True Testimonial there - For cold weather testing, I can confirm that mine survived and worked well after The Great Houston Blizzard of 2017... Left it in my SUV and the following day, turned it on and lo and behold, even though H-town was closed down due to winter white out conditions, the red dot came on and the sight remained zeroed on target. Take THAT E-Oh-Something-Something ... Seriously though, for as little money as this costs, for as much as you get, it is an amazing optic. I had put it on a super lightweight carbine I had recently finished and you'd barely know it was there... BIGGER_HAMMER |
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LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY,
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!! |
LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY,
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!! |
You should have left it up, Hammer, I laughed so hard I nearly pissed myself |
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I love primary's 2.5x optic
Tiny, light, usable at 25 yards or 800 yards! |
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:
So Much for T.G.I.F. What a Crappy Friday for me! <snip> Now THAT'S a product you can believe in! BIGGER_HAMMER View Quote |
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Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
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Can't beat the price. I use an Aimpoint H-2 and want to buy this one just to try it out.
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Now factory coated in FDE even. Same price, same warranty, same everything. Flat dark earth!
http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE Merry Christmas, Arfcommers! |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Now factory coated in FDE even. Same price, same warranty, same everything. Flat dark earth! http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MD-RB-AD-FDEonAK.jpg Merry Christmas, Arfcommers! View Quote J/k, looks great. |
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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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So...my Holosun made MD-ADS is crap compared to the MD-RB-AD?
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PA... You would sell more of these if you get rid of the old school Microsoft font logo. Seriously it is like having a Cracker Barrel bumper sticker on a brand new BMW.
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My rifle was too long, so I spent $200 and waited 6 months to make it shorter. Then it was too loud, so I spent another $200 and waited another 6 months to make it quieter. This made it longer again.
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I'd love to see this with the ACSS reticle that's on the Holosun variant.
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Now factory coated in FDE even. Same price, same warranty, same everything. Flat dark earth! http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MD-RB-AD-FDEonAK.jpg Merry Christmas, Arfcommers! View Quote |
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Nice blaster. Waiting on my Christmas money to buy one or two.
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: You are not wrong. Here I am playing with it on my 10.5" SBR "Zelda", in this case it's mounted on an ADM QD mount. For this particular gun it looks ok, but I think having a quality mount in FDE would look even better. http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MikeFDEmicrodotWallpaper.jpg View Quote |
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Getting my first AR for Christmas. The Advanced Micro Red Dot is at the top of my list for potential red dots.
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Are these made in China? serious question.
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Dupe
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I need another red dot like I need a hole in my head.
Already have a MD-ADS on my SKS for 200 yd shooting. Beats using those horrible irons. Since I have a spare ADM T1 mount, there's no downside adding a MD-RB-AD to my collection. Will be buying one soon. |
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
Are these made in China? serious question. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
All of our optics are either made in China or Japan. If any of you are an eccentric billionaire, please convince the EPA to let you spin up an HD optical glass factory here in the USA. Preferably Texas. Please! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
Are these made in China? serious question. Make it happen! |
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NorCal Callsign: Wolverine
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Originally Posted By Michigan_Man:
The EPA is on our side now. Make it happen! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Michigan_Man:
Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
Are these made in China? serious question. Make it happen! |
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copied from other thread:
The ONLY reason I bought this thing was to be able to use it on my 22 with a pvs 14 and move my aimpoint to my hd carbine @PA_Mike Any chance we can return these, since you advertised them as NC capable? |
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This is NO dress rehearsal, we ARE professionals, and this IS the big time.
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: Ok, so we don't pretend that you are getting an Aimpoint level optic for $149.99. There is abuse that an Aimpoint is built for that will murder MD-RB-AD, like differential overpressure. Lets say, I'm a high speed low drag super duper operator guy and I'm in a pressurized C17 Globemaster at 30,000 feet. The cargo ramp lowers and suddenly the aircraft depressurizes. Then I jump out of the back of the C17, free fall in a HALO jump with a Claymore strapped to my head, pop my chute at the last moment until SPLOOSH I've landed in salt water. Now I get in my underwater delivery vehicle and I'm 15 feet below the surface of the ocean, zipping towards the shoreline. So my optic went from normal atmospheric pressure to very little atmospheric pressure to extra pressure deep underwater, all in about five minutes. That's differential overpressure. Our $149.99 red dot will not do that. It absolutely will freaking die. If you're that guy and you're doing that stuff, buy the Aimpoint. If you're like me and you're a high drag low speed chubby white dude who likes to knock over steel plates at 100 yards on a square range every other weekend, our optic should last a really really long time doing typical range day stuff like that. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ar556223:
copied from other thread: The ONLY reason I bought this thing was to be able to use it on my 22 with a pvs 14 and move my aimpoint to my hd carbine @PA_Mike Any chance we can return these, since you advertised them as NC capable? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By blueinterceptor:
But if I did, is the optic covered under warranty View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By blueinterceptor:
Originally Posted By PA_Mike: Ok, so we don't pretend that you are getting an Aimpoint level optic for $149.99. There is abuse that an Aimpoint is built for that will murder MD-RB-AD, like differential overpressure. Lets say, I'm a high speed low drag super duper operator guy and I'm in a pressurized C17 Globemaster at 30,000 feet. The cargo ramp lowers and suddenly the aircraft depressurizes. Then I jump out of the back of the C17, free fall in a HALO jump with a Claymore strapped to my head, pop my chute at the last moment until SPLOOSH I've landed in salt water. Now I get in my underwater delivery vehicle and I'm 15 feet below the surface of the ocean, zipping towards the shoreline. So my optic went from normal atmospheric pressure to very little atmospheric pressure to extra pressure deep underwater, all in about five minutes. That's differential overpressure. Our $149.99 red dot will not do that. It absolutely will freaking die. If you're that guy and you're doing that stuff, buy the Aimpoint. If you're like me and you're a high drag low speed chubby white dude who likes to knock over steel plates at 100 yards on a square range every other weekend, our optic should last a really really long time doing typical range day stuff like that. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: Yes, if this is a dealbreaker for you, email us at [email protected] and the customer service team will take care of you on it. View Quote eta: Tom replied "I have filled out an RMA for you so we can get that optic brought in and have it repaired." @PA_Mike any news on what the repair is? |
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This is NO dress rehearsal, we ARE professionals, and this IS the big time.
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Ok everyone, I have an official statement regarding the issue with the new Advanced Micro Dot sights not having the night vision compatibility that was promised. We’ve built our reputation on excellent customer service and we intend to keep that reputation. Every customer that has an issue with their Primary Arms micro dot is going to be taken care of with a repair, a replacement, or a refund. There will be an email sent out tomorrow to everyone who bought one, explaining this situation and detailing our solution.
This situation is being discussed at the highest level in the company, Marshall is aware of it and determined to make it right by all our customers. For the time being, we have discontinued sales of these micro dots. We appreciate your patience. We know that it is frustrating to ask a question and not get a corrective answer back immediately—but we want to make sure that we give you the RIGHT answer and have a viable solution ready for you. |
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Thanks for the update Mike.
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You guys should consider making your sights out of polymer. I mean why not they are so cheap and Polymer is tough right. Anyway I dont design sights so I dont konw what I am talking about but the lightweight guys would probably flock to these sights in droves if they where even lighter than the aimpoints.
Ill probably be picking one or two of these up. One for the paint ball gun and probably one for the 22lr. Thanks for staying innovative and trying to keep aimpoint in check. Their innovation is stagnant and for some reason they think they can still charge two arms and two legs for the same product they've been producing. I mean at some point the price should be going down unless the demand is truly that high. To be clean I am not asking aimpoint to make a cheaper product I am just saying they development part has already been paid for 10 times over and thus the price could be lower and they still churn out large sums of profit. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Ok everyone, I have an official statement regarding the issue with the new Advanced Micro Dot sights not having the night vision compatibility that was promised. We’ve built our reputation on excellent customer service and we intend to keep that reputation. Every customer that has an issue with their Primary Arms micro dot is going to be taken care of with a repair, a replacement, or a refund. There will be an email sent out tomorrow to everyone who bought one, explaining this situation and detailing our solution. This situation is being discussed at the highest level in the company, Marshall is aware of it and determined to make it right by all our customers. For the time being, we have discontinued sales of these micro dots. We appreciate your patience. We know that it is frustrating to ask a question and not get a corrective answer back immediately—but we want to make sure that we give you the RIGHT answer and have a viable solution ready for you. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Ok everyone, I have an official statement regarding the issue with the new Advanced Micro Dot sights not having the night vision compatibility that was promised. We've built our reputation on excellent customer service and we intend to keep that reputation. Every customer that has an issue with their Primary Arms micro dot is going to be taken care of with a repair, a replacement, or a refund. There will be an email sent out tomorrow to everyone who bought one, explaining this situation and detailing our solution. This situation is being discussed at the highest level in the company, Marshall is aware of it and determined to make it right by all our customers. For the time being, we have discontinued sales of these micro dots. We appreciate your patience. We know that it is frustrating to ask a question and not get a corrective answer back immediatelybut we want to make sure that we give you the RIGHT answer and have a viable solution ready for you. View Quote |
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I do have an Aimpoint Micro H-2 on my 1st AR. I'm getting another AR and thought I would just order another H-2, but being they are lots of money this caught my eye. I have a PA magnifier that's held up well, so wanted to know anyone that has the Aimpoint and this PA one....how would you compare them? I can always grab one and if I don't like it, return it. PA does have EXCELLENT customer service, I've dealt with them before.
EDIT: Also does this RED DOT have lens covers? I don't see any in the pictures nor read any in the descriptions. It is OUT OF STOCK on Primary Arms site, so I guess it is selling well or not making enough? Also my Primary Arms magnifier mount which was $139 had a sticker right on it, MADE IN CHINA. Is this red dot also made in China? I would assume yes, since the price is so low and your warranty also includes wear and tear which is usually unheard of. So they must cost dollars to make in China, if that's the fact. And what's with the mount? As it comes in the box will this mount on a T-1/H-2 like my Aimpoint? I read about a manufacture error but didn't see any confirmations. I will be using a LaRue QD on most of my furniture since those mounts are the best. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By MichaelDiggs:
I do have an Aimpoint Micro H-2 on my 1st AR. I'm getting another AR and thought I would just order another H-2, but being they are lots of money this caught my eye. I have a PA magnifier that's held up well, so wanted to know anyone that has the Aimpoint and this PA one....how would you compare them? I can always grab one and if I don't like it, return it. PA does have EXCELLENT customer service, I've dealt with them before. I'll let others chime in with their comparisons between our optic and the H-2, I've posted my comparison earlier. Also does this RED DOT have lens covers? I don't see any in the pictures nor read any in the descriptions. It comes with a rubber "bikini" style lens cover, not flip ups. Some guys are trying to retrofit flip ups from other companies but it is difficult, as there isn't much surface to hang them on. It is OUT OF STOCK on Primary Arms site, so I guess it is selling well or not making enough? After complains from night vision users that the night vision settings were too strong, we have removed them from sale for a couple of weeks until we can upgrade the circuit boards in them to address the issue. They've been selling really well, which is great in a way and unfortunate in another way, as now we have thousands of these optics out in the field that we must recall and repair if the users ever intend to use them with night vision. Also my Primary Arms magnifier mount which was $139 had a sticker right on it, MADE IN CHINA. Is this red dot also made in China? I would assume yes, since the price is so low and your warranty also includes wear and tear which is usually unheard of. So they must cost dollars to make in China, if that's the fact. They are made in China, and I don't know if we pay the factory in dollars or Renminbi. And what's with the mount? As it comes in the box will this mount on a T-1/H-2 like my Aimpoint? I read about a manufacture error but didn't see any confirmations. I will be using a LaRue QD on most of my furniture since those mounts are the best. If you want to use a LaRue mount, avoid the -SP or "blem" version, which is only compatible with the mounts that come with it in the box. The standard MD-RB-AD and MD-RB-AD-FDE are compatible with all industry standard T-1 style micro dot mounts. Those optics only come with a "low" mount, which is good for use on shotguns, AK-47s, etc., but for use on an AR you'll want a riser like your LaRue. Hope this helps! |
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I'll be glad when they are back in stock. I need one for my Christmas present.
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Any update to when these will be back in stock? I really want one!
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@PA_Mike
Love your red dots. I have 2, one MD-ADS that has seen time on my bumpsaw and a holosun 503c on my 7.5 in blaster that is still going strong. This new optic interests me, but I gotta ask.. Is there a reason it wasn't designed like the HS503gu/T1/T2 with the scalloped edges around the knobs. Or at least countersunk a little? Those knobs stick out and it messes with my OCD man |
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Originally Posted By glenn_r: Just found this thread. I could use two decent quality red dots for my kids' first AR's. How about engraving "blem" on the bottom of all these NVG returns and selling them to dads of 7 and 9 year old boys? That will REALLY produce some durability tests (possibly including pressure differentials View Quote |
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Mike do you have an ETA on the newer versions of this red dot?
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I am happy with quality and price point especially compared to other manufactures red dots. Stinks about the NV issue but at least it looks like the issue will be resolved in the future. Hoping to hear how this will be resolved and when we (those that have already purchased these units) might hear more.
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Need to get metal thread inserts, I have 3 PA micros sitting on a shelf right now with stripped out aluminum threads, whoever thought that would hold up was wrong completely, yea aimpoint as well, mini heli’s
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Originally Posted By jkeys:
I would buy two PA certified and discounted used ones too. My plinking rifles would be happy to have them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jkeys:
Originally Posted By glenn_r: Just found this thread. I could use two decent quality red dots for my kids' first AR's. How about engraving "blem" on the bottom of all these NVG returns and selling them to dads of 7 and 9 year old boys? That will REALLY produce some durability tests (possibly including pressure differentials |
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Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
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I had no clue these were so small and had lifetime warranty!!
And to think I passed on one on their blemish runs! $60 shipped!! Do these come with a sort of riser? Are there caps available for it? |
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They come with the low 1913 MIL STD mount only. There are so many riser options for different heights, QD vs. non-QD, etc., that it doesn't make a lot of sense to raise the price to make people pay for a riser that a high percentage of them will just toss away anyway and replace with what they really want. Think of it like those Colt 6920s you can get now on the cheap because they have no stocks, pistol grips or handguards, because hey, you were going to throw away the A2 grip and mil-spec 6 position stock anyway, right?
Guys, I'm sorry that it's taken longer than expected to get the new circuit boards in and start repairing the optics for shooters who want that NV compatibility. We appreciate everyone's patience, our customer base has been super cool about it and that means a lot to us. Hopefully we will get upgraded units and circuit boards in very soon and move forward with these. And I share your pain because dangit, I want more of them for myself and can't buy them either! --Mike |
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