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Posted: 8/4/2010 10:05:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 10:47:21 AM EDT by Forest]
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 10:24:04 AM EDT
That's a nice looking rifle. What era of equipment are you looking for? What are the markings on your barrel?
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 10:34:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2010 10:38:53 AM EDT by Forest]
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 10:39:18 AM EDT




Link Posted: 8/4/2010 11:36:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Ralph,
Thanks.

I'm particularly looking for mid 80's gear that would have been used by Guardsman and Reservists, so figure typically late 60s to early 80s for production dates (we never had the new stuff). Items similar to what I was issued, or could have been issued (like the bayonet or the cotten match sling).

I figured I'd start with the rifle, and maybe move onto TA-50 gear later.

The barrel markings:
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4606.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4602.jpg

Also note in the above photo, the sling swivel is attached via a roll pin instead of the later rivet.


Thanks for that info Forest. Just one more question if I may, does the FSB have the drain hole and is the forge flash removed? The reason I ask is that I may have need of such a barrel.
As to equipment I would get a belt, and suspenders to go along with the rifle. Maybe add a buttpack, etc. Late '70s/'80 stuff is not too hard to come by and relatively inexpensive.
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 11:51:21 AM EDT
shiny forearms. Leather Luster?
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 12:20:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2010 12:23:58 PM EDT by Forest]
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 12:22:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:05:40 PM EDT
Chu Hoi bags? Death cards? 1911?
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:13:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2010 1:25:02 PM EDT by Forest]
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:13:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
I was thinking since I built my 'A1 I would like to start collecting the US Army accesories that were used with those rifles.

What I have currently:

  • The rifle (ok it technically has a 1965 XM16E1 barrel but until I can find better it will do)

  • Bayonet & sheath.

  • A 'plastic bag' for putting the rifles in (water crossings?)

  • Several of the reproduction Vietnam clear magazine bags (with the surrender / we are your friends message).

  • Many USGI 20 rounders with aluminum followers

  • 20 round magazine pouch(es)

  • 7 pocket bandoleers.

  • I have the cleaning kit with the Alice pouch

  • USGI field gauge & USGI armorers wrench

  • Reproduction M261 .22 Conversion with USGI magaine inserts


http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_2125.jpg

I know I'll need the proper aluminum bi-pod (only used them in Basic, but hey it's an accessory), I'd also like to find a buttstock pouch for the cleaning kit, as well as a throat erosion gauge. I have several of the M16A1 manuals in PDF format (-10, comic book, and -12&P), I'll look for the A1 variants in printed form.

Anything else I'm missing? (if you have something please post a pic!).


I have a more important question to ask you.

What was your MOS?

I see you were in aviation.
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:14:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:15:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:31:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By cda97:
What was your MOS?
.


93P


Cool, I was a 68N avionics technician
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:41:29 PM EDT
There was a set of camouflage slip over fabric covers for the stock & HGs in the EE just recently, if that falls into your category.

I do not know who was selling them, but do remember m1sniper posted in the ad. you could search m1sniper's reply topics in the EE to find them if you were interested.
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 1:57:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 2:12:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
There was a set of camouflage slip over fabric covers for the stock & HGs in the EE just recently, if that falls into your category.

Military issue? I've seen civilian made covers (before the painting/refinishing craze got going), but I've not heard of USGI covers.


They were early duckhunter pattern. Pretty nice really. Probably vintage civilian item.
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 2:21:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
Just one more question if I may, does the FSB have the drain hole and is the forge flash removed? The reason I ask is that I may have need of such a barrel.

I'm not sure about the drain hole I'll have to check for you when I get home tonight.

As for the other question, does this photo help?
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4605.jpg


As to equipment I would get a belt, and suspenders to go along with the rifle.

Packed away somewhere I should have a set of Y suspenders and a belt (not sure the belt fits at the moment...)

Maybe add a buttpack, etc. Late '70s/'80 stuff is not too hard to come by and relatively inexpensive.

I have a canvas USGI buttpack (1950s ish IIRC) I've used since I was a young Boy Scout (and as my shaving kit when I went to Boy Scout camp this summer as a leader). I'll have to see if I can find a nylon one.

Yeah I figured it wouldn't be too bad cost wise yet. I just want to make sure I have a good shopping list, or didn't miss anything (I remember the years my father spent looking for a proper set of grenade sights for his Garand collection).

Thanks!


Forest,
The drain hole is just under the front sight and the forge flash would be on the front and rear edges of the FSB. If the FSB is smooth in those areas it has had the flash removed.
You could use the canvas butt pack I would think as the reserves never got anything new
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 2:30:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 3:06:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
The drain hole is just under the front sight and the forge flash would be on the front and rear edges of the FSB.

I know where it is, but my rifle is at home and I'm waiting on a compile here at work. I'll check it when I get home.


You could use the canvas butt pack I would think as the reserves never got anything new
regards,
Ralph

Heck I never saw a butt pack, my LBE had two 3x30 round magazine pouches for my 4 magazines. - ponchos were attached to the back of the LBE.

Another thought: were the Colt scopes ever issued? Or was that something they sold to the civilian & LE markets that the never had interest from the .mil?



Oops, there I go assuming again. I should have guessed that you would know that
I have to admit that I'm not up on my optics as much as I should be. But why not? If you run across one, I'd say go for it!
How about a helmet?
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 3:09:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 3:35:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
.How about a helmet?
.

Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover.





You can get the butt stock cleaning kit pouches here
pouch
and you can get the rods here or use your own
cleaning rod and brush.
regards,
Ralph

Link Posted: 8/4/2010 3:41:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 5:20:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2010 5:21:59 AM EDT by F14ADC]
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
.How about a helmet?
.

Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover.





You can get the butt stock cleaning kit pouches here
pouch
and you can get the rods here or use your own
cleaning rod and brush.
regards,
Ralph


Excellent! Thanks you, not only do they have the cleaning kit pouch, but the bipod pouch as well.

Hmm a vehicle rifle rack for the M16, might have to pick up one of those as well.



Forest,
No problem. Don't forget the muzzle dust cover
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 6:27:13 AM EDT
If you want to get technical, the authorized items according to the 1990 version of the Army's M16/M16A1 TM are:

Components of end item:

1 each:

- MAGAZINE, CARTRIDGE: 30 round (1005-00-921-5004)
- SLING, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-167-4336)

CTA Authorized items:

1 each:

- BAG, PROTECTIVE: for 30 round magazine (500 per bx) required 1 per magazine (1005-00-193-8306)
- BLANK FIRING ATTACHMENT, M15A2: (For training only) (1005-00-118-6192)
- BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: bore (1005-00-903-1296)
- BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: chamber (1005-00-999-1435)
- BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: tooth (1005-00-494-6602)
- CAP, PROTECTIVE, DUST (5340-00-880-7666)
- CARTRIDGE CASE DEFLECTOR ASSEMBLY (1005-01-171-4778)
- CASE, MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT: for rifles without buttstock stowage (8465-00-781-9564) or CASE, SMALL ARMS: for rifles with buttstock stowage (1005-00-403-5804)
- HANDLE SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-01-113-0321)
- KIT, ADAPTER SLING (1005-00 -406-1570)
- PLATE, LOCKING: for riot control use, prevents selector from automatic fire (1005-00-233-9031)
- SWAB HOLDER SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-937-2250)

3 each:

- ROD SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-050-6357)

6 each:

- MAGAZINE, CARTRIDGE: 30 round (1005-00-921-5004)

MTOE authorized items:

1 each:

- BAYONET - KNIFE M7 W/SCABBARD (1005-00-017-9701)
- BIPOD, RIFLE M3 W/CARRYING CASE (1005-00-890-2609)
- TOP SLING ADAPTER KIT (1005-00-406-1570)
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 6:33:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2010 6:45:11 AM EDT by Hetzer1]
A lot of the manuals show up on eBay and GunBroker. I picked up one of the little blue M16A1 operator's booklets and an M16A1 "Rifle and Rifle Marksmanship" manual. Both early 70's vintage.

A full set or webgear is a nice addition. Haven't looked lately, but Sportsman's Guide used to have complete sets with two mag pouches and a canteen with cover. They also had complete steelpot/liner/cammo cover/elastic band (with cat eyes) combo. I picked up a canteen cup from a local surplus store.

Post-wide yard sales on Military bases are good sources. I bought a military foam sleeping bag pad at Fort Riley for a buck, and a new field dressing with pouch for another buck! (I wasn't issued one of those sleeping pads in the mid-80's, but it was a good score non-the-less, and useful too!) Post-wide yard sales are EXCELLENT sources for books on military history. Last one I went to, I came home with an arm-load of hard-cover books that I bought for about $5.

Oh, something that hasn't been mentioned - the water-tight plastic containers that contained the de-con kits. That was a highly sought-after item when I was in the Army; great for keeping your smokes dry when you were in the field! I found a couple of those at a gun show for a buck or two ea.


ALSO - a genuine GI angle-head flashlight! GOT to have one of those!
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 7:31:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2010 7:33:35 AM EDT by Calgunner]
Any new sources for M1954 20 ROUND mag pouches in canvas with Suspender strap still attached in VGC ??? (Have one thats "Like New"/Unissued original) need a second (For my early nam Rig .
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 7:41:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 7:58:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Any new sources for M1954 20 ROUND mag pouches in canvas with Suspender strap still attached in VGC ??? (Have one thats "Like New"/Unissued original) need a second (For my early nam Rig .


People that know these are the harder to find ones charge $50 a pop for these in new condition. Most were either made too small or have shrunk and can't close with mags in them. Your best bet is to check eBay, surplus stores, and gun shows.
Dustin
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 10:40:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 10:58:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
- NVD that mounts on Carry Handle (anyone know the NSN for this or the M number?)???

Night vision equipment is designated in a joint service nomenclature system, not the US Army's nomenclature system. Both the AN/PVS-2 and AN/PVS-4 night visions scopes are applicable to the M16 series. I'm not sure when the latter entered service and whether it was ever found on the M16A1.
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 11:11:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 11:20:24 AM EDT
Yes, there's no doubt about the use of the AN/PVS-2 on the M16A1, I was saying that I was unsure whether the AN/PVS-4 was used on the M16A1.
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 11:44:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2010 1:35:53 PM EDT by Forest]
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 10:56:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 3:29:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious.


so your fsb looks like this?



and don't forget a blank magazine
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 5:09:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious.


Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look at that for me.
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 8:50:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2010 9:10:40 AM EDT by Forest]
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Link Posted: 8/6/2010 9:21:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2010 9:24:42 AM EDT by crackedcornish]
if your talking about the black shoot through A1 style cap, IM me your address and I'll send you one

Link Posted: 8/6/2010 9:44:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 10:26:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By F14ADC:
Originally Posted By Forest:
Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious.


Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look at that for me.
regards,
Ralph


I'm taking her out Saturday if you'd like I could get you more photos of the FSB.


Forest
Yes, that would be very nice, if it isn't too much trouble. I suspect your barrel is from around '67 or '68 manufacture but I am no expert. I think we would all enjoy some more photos
regards,
Ralph
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 10:41:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2010 1:57:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2010 3:31:27 PM EDT by crackedcornish]
Hey Forest, I finally had a chance to dig through my junk, and your muzzle cap will be going out in Monday's mail

...and here's a bipod on GB
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=183276339
Link Posted: 8/7/2010 5:43:03 PM EDT
so which bipod case is correct for nam, nylon or canvas.

also there is a "Marine's Guide To The Republic of Vietnam". MCBul 3480 dated 20 Sep 1968.

very interesting reading.

steel pot, you have to choose which rubber band to go around the pot. ready made was army & the Marine Corp. used an inner tube from a mule I believe.

that comic book that you listed was originally put out on Dec. 68

good luck & have fun.
Link Posted: 8/7/2010 8:36:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2010 9:14:35 AM EDT
We didn't go from the Vietnam era "Mitchell pattern" helmet cover until '80 when the M1 steel pot got upgraded suspension gear as well as the woodland cover.
Link Posted: 8/8/2010 12:07:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/11/2010 7:37:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/11/2010 8:01:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Jim,
Thank you!


you're welcome
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