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Posted: 6/1/2007 1:04:19 AM EDT
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Wow, great stuff, will get it in the guide, but will be awhile..... |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2007 11:52:59 PM EDT
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 That picture almost brings a tear to the eye. It would have been nicer to see it about four months ago.  Oh well, it will just make future reproductions I make more accurate. Thanks for sharing! |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2007 12:20:13 AM EDT
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Unclemoak,
Yeah, sorry about that. I thought about it while you were posting your progressive photos but didn't have time to get in and take some shots until a couple weeks ago. Better late than never! |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 10:11:21 PM EDT
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Major update, thanks to Ordnance.
Planning on adding GAU Carbines next and then the MK18 MOD 0. |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 8:47:56 PM EDT
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Added the GAU series.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2007 11:48:04 PM EDT
[#6]
727s with A2 profile Barrel but no M203 cut exist right? I'm pretty sure I've seen some pictures of SEALs with them?
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Posted: 9/22/2007 12:10:59 AM EDT
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Those are rubber ducks. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2007 1:31:52 AM EDT
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thanks for clarifying
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2007 10:42:35 AM EDT
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Any clue as to why the USAF didn't receive coated stocks? Some argument about it not being necessary because they were going to largely be for perimeter defense? Or was this just because they were so early in the Colt production cycle that Colt hadn't decided to coat the stock yet? |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 10:58:32 AM EDT
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Air Force carbines get the same buttstocks Army carbines get, which one it is depends on date of manufacture. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2007 12:15:15 PM EDT
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Alright, thanks, good to know. |
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CZE
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Posted: 12/5/2007 1:43:18 PM EDT
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Hello, I found information about model 653 here. But I found different year of start issue. Will anybody help me with information about this model. Was it in Vietnam war? Any picture or link ?
Thank You |
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Posted: 12/5/2007 3:11:08 PM EDT
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Not sure on the years, notice the question mark. Never seen any evidence that they were used in Vietnam. Don't know of any source of information on the 653. |
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CZE
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Posted: 12/13/2007 5:07:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Thank You |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2007 7:02:42 PM EDT
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When was the 4-position collapsible stock introduced?
I want to build a 723 clone (w/ C7 upper and 1/7 lightweight barrel), and I'm curious if these might have had a 4-pos stock on later models. Also, was there a point where 4-pos tubes and type-3 stocks would have used the locking nut with the 3 dimples, and not the current type of castle nut? I understand that there were always exceptions and mixed parts examples with Colt, but I'm curious if the above examples existed in any real numbers. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2008 3:34:20 PM EDT
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I don't see this type upper in your listing. Can you tell me more about it?
It is a CMP Marked barrel, no other markings:  Thanks! James |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 3:49:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: uxb]
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It's not listed because it is not USGI. It is commercial. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:59:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
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MO, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2008 3:18:31 AM EDT
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where can I get a set of those carbine length triangle forends and the tri caps on each end we had some of these in Nam and I like to build my retro with them. I think I say so in shotgun news but didn't see any end caps and now can't find the SN it was in. HELP
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2009 10:06:42 PM EDT
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Little bit of my anal tendancies comming out...
Early USGI side-sling-swivels used pre-2000 have "M16A1" and "M16A2" written on thier perspective sides of the mounting block. The current ones produced by the likes of Bushmaster lack these stamps. 
This was a take off from a thrashed Hydramatic A1/A2 rebuild for those that would like to know... -RH |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2009 12:57:38 PM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2009 11:13:42 PM EDT
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This is a cool thread as is the retro picture one.... Nice work fellas
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Posted: 4/6/2010 11:26:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
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Originally Posted By RLR350:
I put together some slides showing some details of things I have learned from you guys about comparing Colt handguards to others. Thought it might be useful to someone, so here it is. Please correct me if anything is wrong and I will change it. Some other brands will have some of the same features as Colts, but usually not all of the same features. These examples are Colt, RRA (which are close replicas) and an unknown brand. Captions are below the picture. 
Green - Colt's will have six holes. Red - Colt holes are tapered. RRA's are tapered also. The unknown brand is vertical. Purple - The Colt lines are thin and clear. RRA's are thin, not as clear cut and the unknown brand has clear, but less lines. The Colt's tend to be shiny and the others are a more flat finish. The unknowns also have knubs on the front where they go into the end cap. 
Red - Colt vertical ribs go into the horizontal ribs at 45 degrees. The other two brands are at 90 degrees. Blue Arrow - The top ridges roll over the end on Colts. Although you can't see the other brands, the unknown brand stops without rolling over. 
Red - A better view of the top ribs rolling over the edge. Not so on the unknown brand. 
Red - The heat shields on the Colt's and RRA's have tabs. The unknown brand is bent the entire length. Some brands have tabs, but they are square instead of one end of the tab being curved. Blue Arrow - The Colt's and RRA's have tongues and grooves along the edge. The unknown brand is smooth. 
Inside, rear close up: Red - The Colt's have a thin "L" shape. RRA's have a thicker "U" shape. The unknowns are covered by the heat shield. Purple - The top of this ridge is flat on Colt's. Round on the RRA's and thinner on the unknowns. Blue Arrow - This wall is angled on the Colt's. It is vertical on the RRA's. 
Inside, front close up: Red - The Colt's have a smooth "C" shaped curve. The RRA's are more of an "S". The unknowns are flat, no ridge. 
Green Arrow - Better view of the front ridges. Blue Arrow - Both the Colt's and RRA's have internal ribs, although slightly different. The unknowns don't have them. Red - The Colt's may have a backwards "1" or "2". The RRA's have "Israel" markings. The unknowns only have a normal number, "4" in this case. |
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Posted: 4/6/2010 10:44:21 PM EDT
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More info on the handguards in this thread started by RLR350.
Clickety Clickety |
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Posted: 1/6/2011 6:55:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ekie:
Buttstock pictured in the middle are typically marked with a raised "N" Am I to take the typically to imply that not all original Colt CAR stocks of this type had the raised "N"? Thanks. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2011 3:20:42 PM EDT
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New M16A1 Carbine for $631.26 Plus the $200 tax stamp in 1979. If we only knew then what we know now. From the great info here, looks like i have a standard model 653 carbine.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 7:45:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SchlaffTablett]
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I have a stack of pics of some "G" marked, Green Mountain produced M4 barrels that I just pulled off if someone wants to host them. Also, is there a place to put pics of some commercial / export Colt guns?
ETA... So I forgot I had taken these on my last go in Baghdad so I figured I'd post them up. Most of what I took got corrupted on an old external but I was able to salvage these. This is a Green Mountain produced Colt barrel I pulled off of a issued M4A1. 
Here is a M4A1 configured gun that wandered in as well. I had a full set of pics but this is all thats left from the same drive. 
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DEU
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:31:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Any information about T-marks on the flat-top uppers? Is it true that early M4/M4A1 carbine from Colt came without T-marks? I got conflicting info on this. Thank you!
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:42:09 AM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By Gunslinger-Mike:
Any information about T-marks on the flat-top uppers? Is it true that early M4/M4A1 carbine from Colt came without T-marks? I got conflicting info on this. Thank you! True. I have one that is M4/16inch/1-in9 twist without "T" markings on the upper rail. Front of receiver has just the letter "M" stamped above the gas tube port. |
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DEU
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Posted: 6/9/2012 1:28:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Thank you very much! The one I had seen was dark grey and had C AF markings.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:09:12 AM EDT
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I am confused now. I have a barrel that I think is from a Colt 653 and is marked C MP CHROME BORE but it is dated 1/96. I understand that some 723 barrels had these same markings buthad a 1/7 twist. Any idea how to identify my barrel?
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:42:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xcibes:
I am confused now. I have a barrel that I think is from a Colt 653 and is marked C MP CHROME BORE but it is dated 1/96. I understand that some 723 barrels had these same markings buthad a 1/7 twist. Any idea how to identify my barrel? Is it one of the bubbaguns barrels? IIRC, those are replacement 653 barrels and have the later "A2" profile under the handguards. Dustin |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:15:46 PM EDT
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i do not know the origin of this barrel, i got it from a friend. it would appear to be a replacement barrel based on the date of manufacture. i will take a photo of the complete profile.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:57:21 PM EDT
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Here is the barrel in question. Please note that the barrel came separate from the upper.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:00:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xcibes]
[#35]
Internet issues....sorry for the dupe.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:19:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: donp326]
[#36]
Brought back old memories of the 649's and 653's, Commando's and CAR-15's we had at Nellis AFB in the late 1970's and early 1980's, my tenure there. I think we had some of the commando's, the muzzle break looks familiar. But itt has been over 30 years.
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USA
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Posted: 11/9/2014 9:48:15 AM EDT
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If Ekie gives me the ok, I'll tack this.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 10:26:28 PM EDT
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Great thread and is helping me get a list of what I need for my builds.
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Posted: 12/4/2014 2:56:52 PM EDT
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Pardon the dumb question if everyone else already knows this, but can someone tell me what the muzzle device on the XM177E2 'Commando' actually is?
Reading different places I see it called a flash hider, muzzle brake, compensator, even a suppressor. Is there anything inside it like baffles or something? I figure the reason for building the carbine was to have a short, lightweight rifle, so I'm guessing they had a reason for adding that long thing to the end of the barrel. Thanks. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2014 3:10:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sinister]
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Posted: 12/4/2014 3:20:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fielding_Mellish]
[#41]
Thanks a lot for the pics. To my untrained eye that looks like a suppressor (never owned one myself).
So are all the extended muzzle devices on the different models similar? eta: I know how popular suppressors are these days with Spec Ops types, I didn't realize they were used back in the Vietnam era. Compared to the suppressors in use now those seem quite a bit smaller. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:28:34 PM EDT
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Bump to toggle archive status.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:01:00 PM EDT
[#43]
What happened to all of the photos?
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2016 12:59:54 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M16indiana:
What happened to all of the photos? x2 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2016 3:05:35 AM EDT
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Any way to get the photos back? I'd hate to hear they've been lost.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 8:59:53 AM EDT
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Page 1 is for pussies........
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Posted: 5/17/2016 12:18:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M16indiana:
What happened to all of the photos? x5
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2016 12:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS:
x5 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS:
Originally Posted By M16indiana:
What happened to all of the photos? x5 I see that the user account still exists on photobucket but the album was renamed or deleted. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/9/2016 3:03:42 PM EDT
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Formally requesting the pictures again!
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Posted: 7/21/2016 7:53:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HBPredhunter:
Formally requesting the pictures again! Seconded. |
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