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Link Posted: 9/6/2006 6:53:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blanco_Diablo] [#1]
No dust covers? IN THE JUNGLE!?

I'm also surprised they work.

ETA: Looks like no forward assist on that last picture too! Bet that thing is in jam heaven!!!
Link Posted: 9/7/2006 12:47:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Let's see, 30 some years in the Laotian jungle, used for everything from homeland securely to getting the evenings dinner. Shooting whatever ammo from who knows where. I bet that thing is just a little outside of Mil.Spec. by now. Dust cover....we don't need no stinking dust cover....all the dust and dirt that has gotten ground into the chamber has honed it out so that it can't jam. Sure, some third world, uneducated, dirt poor, barely surviving individual gets to have a real M16 with a rock-n-roll switch and all I am able to have is a neutered clone that I've put together myself. If that guy would just e-mail me, I'd send him a set of well used hand guards that are way better that the ones he is currently using.

Doc
Link Posted: 9/10/2006 12:53:16 AM EDT
[#3]
From everything I've heard and read, those Hmong are tough little bastards. Good fighters, brave as hell. Just don't get on their bad side.
Link Posted: 9/13/2006 5:44:43 PM EDT
[#4]
I really wish we were still helping those that helped us in Vietnam, at least drop them some supplies and new rifles
Link Posted: 9/22/2006 11:02:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Those VN photos are awesome. If you own any originals, you are fortunate. Even more fortunate is having the honor of knowing any of those men.
Link Posted: 9/28/2006 1:13:18 AM EDT
[#6]
So when was the M16A1 phased out of service for the A2?  I thought they got rid of A1's for everybody but National Guard by the mid-80s (obviously I was wrong).
Link Posted: 9/28/2006 1:30:22 AM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By aswrg7:
So when was the M16A1 phased out of service for the A2?  I thought they got rid of A1's for everybody but National Guard by the mid-80s (obviously I was wrong).


I joined the Guard in 85 and we had A1s.  Went to Benning in 86...A1s for basic...Went regular and to Korea in 88 and we had A2s.  We also had the Original SAW that was made in Belgium.
Link Posted: 9/28/2006 4:55:16 PM EDT
[#8]

Originally Posted By FITTER:

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Still lookin for a pic of a Model 606.


Here ya go:
i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/606jpeg.jpg

Model 606 M1, HBAR, no fwd asst

Feel free to add it to your post above, although it isn't in the same profile-type view as the other photos.

The group photo I posted earlier in this thread of the CAR-15 family has me puzzled... the belt-fed HBAR on the right has no forward assist which would lead me to believe that it's a Model 606, except that the 606 wasn't belt fed. The belt-fed model 611 had a forward assist, but the photo seems to contradict that fact. The 606 wasn't belt fed, so what is it?

FITTER (or anyone), do you think this rifle could be what the 606 really is?



It seems like it'd be a little pointless to just make an HBAR M16 and stick a removable bipod on there. What do you think?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 1:58:17 AM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:

It seems like it'd be a little pointless to just make an HBAR M16 and stick a removable bipod on there. What do you think?


Isn't that basically the same concept behind the M15 squad automatic weapon?  Just an M14 with a heavy barrel and bipod?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 9:53:26 AM EDT
[#10]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:

It seems like it'd be a little pointless to just make an HBAR M16 and stick a removable bipod on there. What do you think?

I would say its far from pointless, especially for a time when most of the world is experimenting with such things.  Look at similar products of the time the M15, the FN FAL 50.41/42 and the L2/C2 rifles, what are these if not just HBAR versions of their respective rifles with bipods?  The 606 was definitly just an HBAR M16, the bipod probably wasn't even essential.

Also, I've heard this before, but I've never heard where people are getting it from, but where is the 611 connection to the HBAR Assault Rifle M2 coming from?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 3:38:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blanco_Diablo] [#11]

Originally Posted By Thatguy96:

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:

It seems like it'd be a little pointless to just make an HBAR M16 and stick a removable bipod on there. What do you think?

I would say its far from pointless, especially for a time when most of the world is experimenting with such things.  Look at similar products of the time the M15, the FN FAL 50.41/42 and the L2/C2 rifles, what are these if not just HBAR versions of their respective rifles with bipods?  The 606 was definitly just an HBAR M16, the bipod probably wasn't even essential.

Also, I've heard this before, but I've never heard where people are getting it from, but where is the 611 connection to the HBAR Assault Rifle M2 coming from?

Thats true..and then you look at the RPK and all THAT is is an heavy/long barrelled AK47 with a bipod. I would just think the bipod on the 606 would be more permanant like the one in the pic I posted.

ETA: Okay seriously, if no one else will say it, I will. WTF is up with this thread??? There was like 18 pages on captrichardson's thread and now there's only 3 and barely any pictures!!! What's the deal???
Link Posted: 10/2/2006 12:55:41 AM EDT
[#12]
The original version of Dawn of the Dead (1978, I believe) has some awesome A1 footage in it.  If anyone can find some screenshots............
Link Posted: 10/2/2006 4:17:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Some remarkable photos for sure. Anyone have a time line on any of those? Especially the ones with no bolt assists? I am thinking about putting together an early one and dont want to commit heresy.hinking.gif
Link Posted: 10/2/2006 4:18:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Some remarkable photos for sure. Anyone have a time line on any of those? Especially the ones with no bolt assists? I am thinking about putting together an early one and dont want to commit heresy.hinking.gif
Link Posted: 10/2/2006 6:52:39 PM EDT
[#15]
Can we PLEASE get back to pictures?


Link Posted: 10/10/2006 5:42:50 PM EDT
[#16]
I love this shot of the M16A1

Link Posted: 10/19/2006 8:15:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blanco_Diablo] [#17]

Originally Posted By Shark15:
I love this shot of the M16A1

i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Shark15/800px-DN-ST-88-02502.jpg

Every single guy has a huge mustache...

Any more pics, guys? We had 18 pages of pictures in the original thread..now we have like 1 page of pics and 2 pages of talking...
Link Posted: 10/22/2006 3:37:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Not my pixs...Rangers in nam


















































































Link Posted: 10/22/2006 6:55:48 PM EDT
[#19]
Has anyone ever seen an XM177E2 with an "improvised forward grip"? So far I've never seen a pic of this but I dont see why they wouldnt do that.
Link Posted: 11/3/2006 5:22:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blanco_Diablo] [#20]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Has anyone ever seen an XM177E2 with an "improvised forward grip"? So far I've never seen a pic of this but I dont see why they wouldnt do that.


Anyone?

Pics:
Note the lack of XM sound/flash moderators on the GAU-5AA's. Grenade rings are present but no moderator. Anyone have any idea why that would be? More compact?


Link Posted: 11/21/2006 10:11:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BlackRifleJihad] [#21]
M-231 Firing Port Weapon, Full Auto, Transferable, $23,900. I'm not selling it, but if interested - e/mail: [email protected]

I thought they were just cool pics.







Link Posted: 11/21/2006 8:18:39 PM EDT
[#22]

Originally Posted By BlackRifleJihad:
M-231 Firing Port Weapon, Full Auto, Transferable, $23,900. I'm not selling it, but if interested - e/mail: [email protected]

I thought they were just cool pics.

i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231side.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231selector.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231rightside.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231lower.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231leftside.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231detail.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/M231.jpg


Nice pics.

Note the anti-walk pins, and the recoil spring guide rod ass'y that unscrews from the rear of the receiver extension tube.

Notice the different selector. These open-bolt weapons had no hammer per sé; they slam-fired with an inertial striker which impacted the firing pin.
Link Posted: 12/4/2006 10:47:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Damn Fitter, you have a lot of time on your hands  Good job!  oh.. I finally made it over here.
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 5:55:58 PM EDT
[#24]

Originally Posted By schmidt_rubin:
Damn Fitter, you have a lot of time on your hands  Good job!  oh.. I finally made it over here.


Glad you found your way here! Lots of good, solid info at this site. Have you decided on a retro build yet?
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 6:24:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CB1] [#25]

Originally Posted By BlackRifleJihad:
M-231 Firing Port Weapon, Full Auto, Transferable, $23,900. I'm not selling it, but if interested - e/mail: [email protected]

I thought they were just cool pics.

i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231side.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231selector.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231rightside.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231lower.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231leftside.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/m231detail.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Gearpics/M231.jpg


best pictures of a M231 yet.
Besides my mounted M231 that is

ETA: That is exactly how I remember them. No wire sliding stock. And don't catch the skin web between your thumb and trigger finger on those threads! OUCH! I used to have to carry all 6 to the Bradley when we had an alert.
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 7:27:17 PM EDT
[#26]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Has anyone ever seen an XM177E2 with an "improvised forward grip"? So far I've never seen a pic of this but I dont see why they wouldnt do that.


There's one in the post right above yours.  There are a few more in this thread as well.
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 8:11:04 PM EDT
[#27]

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Has anyone ever seen an XM177E2 with an "improvised forward grip"? So far I've never seen a pic of this but I dont see why they wouldnt do that.


There's one in the post right above yours.  There are a few more in this thread as well.

XM177E2's with 11.5" barrels? I've only seen them on XM177E1's.
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 9:55:47 PM EDT
[#28]
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Originally Posted By FITTER:
height=8
Originally Posted By schmidt_rubin:
Damn Fitter, you have a lot of time on your handsh..


Glad you found your way here! Lots of good, solid info at this site. Have you decided on a retro build yet?
I'm looking for info on Massachusetts compliant uppers, I don't think the regs apply to lowers. There can be no bayonet lugs, certain flash hiders are verboten, and no folding or telescopic stocks. I'll have to run a search in a different section.
Link Posted: 12/5/2006 10:26:42 PM EDT
[#29]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Has anyone ever seen an XM177E2 with an "improvised forward grip"? So far I've never seen a pic of this but I dont see why they wouldnt do that.


There's one in the post right above yours.  There are a few more in this thread as well.

XM177E2's with 11.5" barrels? I've only seen them on XM177E1's.


ahh, sorry.  from the looks of this thread I guess E1s were just a lot more common... but I had allways thought it was the opposite.   Maybe the guys who were prone to such field expedient mods were more likely to get E1s.
Link Posted: 2/1/2007 10:32:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: QUIB] [#30]
Link Posted: 2/2/2007 7:00:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: roguetrader] [#31]







Link Posted: 2/4/2007 1:50:58 AM EDT
[#32]
Here you go.  Paintshop Pro rocks.

Link Posted: 2/7/2007 9:03:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Circa 1980, Ft. Campbell, KY.

"Trigger discipline?  We doan need no stinkin' trigger discipline!"



"Magazines?  We doan need no stinkin' magazines!"

Link Posted: 2/18/2007 8:21:36 PM EDT
[#34]
AWESOME shot of an XM16E1. This pic inspired me to build one. I'm gonna have an upper in a couple weeks for it (darn GRD)

Link Posted: 2/24/2007 9:01:30 AM EDT
[#35]
Outstanding thread!

I noticed on the first page, alot of weapons had what appears to be a cleaning rod taped to the rifle. Is that right? Would that be in the time frame of issues with the weapons at the start?(to punch out stuck cases)

I was looking at the Ft. McClellen pics of the late 80's--sure looks like Drill Sergeant Ames on the right side! (12th BN, Fco 2nd Plt-1/86-4/86)

Mark
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 10:36:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: robotstalk] [#37]
redundant post / edited
Link Posted: 3/21/2007 1:40:58 AM EDT
[#38]
The "M16" used in th eoriginal Dawn of the Dead was actually a Phillippine knockoff chambered for .32 ACP. You can see the subcaliber mag in the fixed 20 round magwell/
Link Posted: 3/21/2007 8:45:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Link Posted: 4/15/2007 12:58:25 PM EDT
[#40]
My dad, a Seabee with NMCB-10, at the Marine Combat Base in Quang Tri, Vietnam.  '67-'68.




Link Posted: 4/15/2007 5:48:19 PM EDT
[#43]
SAS





Aussies

Link Posted: 4/15/2007 6:22:37 PM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By mike_nds:
The guy on the right in the banana picture looks very stoned.


Considering the company he's keeping, it's not surprising...

Link Posted: 4/24/2007 12:10:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sgt_monroe] [#45]
height=8
Originally Posted By seamus1618:
img453.imageshack.us/img453/6843/st2nam1967wh7ym0.jpg</a>


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/6843/st2nam1967wh7ym0.jpg

The date on this image is obviously wrong - due to a number of things...

1) S. Fornier [on the far left] has M-1967 20-round nylon small arms ammunition cases, not issued until late-1968/early-1969

2) D. White has a 30-round cartridge magazine in his M16A1, another late-'68/early-'69 issue item

3) all wear ERDL - not issued until the later part of 1967/early 1968

Now granted all of these guys are SEALs and would have been priority issue for the above three things - so 1968 is possible, but not 1967! I figure by comparisons to other photgraphic evidence the image is probably from 1969. Of course I may be completely wrong!

But here is the kicker B. MacCarthy has a Model 607 [with the 2nd pattern moderator]!!! Even if this was 1967 it would be incredible to still find one in service. But even more incredible is my guess that this is 1969 and there is still a 607 still being used!
Link Posted: 4/25/2007 10:46:14 PM EDT
[#46]

Originally Posted By sgt_monroe:

Originally Posted By seamus1618:
img453.imageshack.us/img453/6843/st2nam1967wh7ym0.jpg</a>


img453.imageshack.us/img453/6843/st2nam1967wh7ym0.jpg

The date on this image is obviously wrong - due to a number of things...

1) S. Fornier [on the far left] has M-1967 20-round nylon small arms ammunition cases, not issued until late-1968/early-1969

2) D. White has a 30-round cartridge magazine in his M16A1, another late-'68/early-'69 issue item

3) all wear ERDL - not issued until the later part of 1967/early 1968

Now granted all of these guys are SEALs and would have been priority issue for the above three things - so 1968 is possible, but not 1967! I figure by comparisons to other photgraphic evidence the image is probably from 1969. Of course I may be completely wrong!

But here is the kicker B. MacCarthy has a Model 607 [with the 2nd pattern moderator]!!! Even if this was 1967 it would be incredible to still find one in service. But even more incredible is my guess that this is 1969 and there is still a 607 still being used!


I have no idea about the date.  It was already on the photo when I found it.
Thanks for the critique though.
Link Posted: 5/15/2007 4:59:54 PM EDT
[#47]
A couple of photos from the 18th Abn. Corps LRSC, 1991.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res7a2sd/lrsc0017.JPG
My assistant team leader brushing his A1.  We were issued A1s throughout my time in LRSC 1991-1993.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7a2sd/lrsc0018.JPG
Somewhere in the mountains of NC., probably during a "Robin Sage" training mission.
Link Posted: 5/15/2007 6:02:21 PM EDT
[#48]
It looks like Pineland...
Link Posted: 5/16/2007 5:29:38 AM EDT
[#49]
height=8
Originally Posted By uxb:
It looks like Pineland...hose
Link Posted: 5/16/2007 11:22:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Wow, I forgot all about the XM-148.....We had them in our armory until the late 1980s in England. I remember qualifying with one in 1987.
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