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Posted: 10/13/2017 7:20:22 PM EDT
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Lol... I am sooooo tempted.
Link added for convenience.... http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen2-pa65-20-6-5-creedmoor-1-8-stainless-steel-15-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-and-ch-516447017.html |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 7:30:49 PM EDT
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They screwed up by building it with a 20" cheap barrel from mossberg.
Anyway, if it sucks then just think they do have that wonderful warranty that will take a year to get back to you , and not be fixed. Just go with aero precision and be done with it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 7:38:27 PM EDT
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They screwed up by building it with a 20" cheap barrel from mossberg. Anyway, if it sucks then just think they do have that wonderful warranty that will take a year to get back to you , and not be fixed. Just go with aero precision and be done with it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:11:13 PM EDT
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Wrong 6.5... they need to come out with a Grendel already!
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:20:44 PM EDT
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Wrong 6.5... they need to come out with a Grendel already! |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:45:28 PM EDT
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I will pass on this one. I have an upper in 6.5 with a 24 X-Caliber barrel. It is very accurate. Been tempted by their 7/08 though.
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Posted: 10/16/2017 4:21:29 PM EDT
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I have to ask... why do you say the barrel is from Mossberg ? I kind of wish they malonited it; especially since 6.5 has a rep of being a bit of a barrel burner - but one step at a time. That, and the jury is still out if maloniting actually extends barrel life in a rifle like this. All that said, I'm probably going to pass anyway - their "Gen 2" design is just a touched up Gen 1, rather than going with something really next-generation - like the DPMS Gen 2 or Aero's version. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 6:10:19 PM EDT
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While we appreciate commentary and feedback regarding PSA products, pushing incorrect information as "factual" is seemingly negligent. We are unsure where you received your information from in regards to a "Mossberg" barrel, but this information does need to be corrected as it is completely false and misleading to other consumers. These barrels are not made by Mossberg in any way, shape or form. As a matter of fact, we manufactured these barrels and cut them to the exact same standards as our .308 barrels, which through the same extensive testing, have provided phenomenal results. The new 6.5 uppers have produced similar, fantastic results in the trial and testing phase; proving reliability and accuracy under stress. We invite all interested consumers to contact us for further information.
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Posted: 10/16/2017 6:10:47 PM EDT
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-double tap-
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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:09:21 PM EDT
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While we appreciate commentary and feedback regarding PSA products, pushing incorrect information as "factual" is seemingly negligent. We are unsure where you received your information from in regards to a "Mossberg" barrel, but this information does need to be corrected as it is completely false and misleading to other consumers. These barrels are not made by Mossberg in any way, shape or form. As a matter of fact, these barrels come direct from our manufacturer have produced fantastic results in the trial and testing phase, proving reliability and accuracy under stress. We invite all interested consumers to contact us for further information. Thank You ! I am going to buy one next paycheck.... ( dang you PSA !! ... Lol ) |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:14:31 PM EDT
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I will wait for independent reports.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:45:11 AM EDT
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Hmm....I don't have a PA10 Gen 2 but I do have a LR308 that would work on.....
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:00:50 PM EDT
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While we appreciate commentary and feedback regarding PSA products, pushing incorrect information as "factual" is seemingly negligent. We are unsure where you received your information from in regards to a "Mossberg" barrel, but this information does need to be corrected as it is completely false and misleading to other consumers. These barrels are not made by Mossberg in any way, shape or form. As a matter of fact, these barrels come direct from our manufacturer have produced fantastic results in the trial and testing phase, proving reliability and accuracy under stress. We invite all interested consumers to contact us for further information. Do they include a standard or a high pressure bolt with small diameter firing pin? |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 2:23:04 PM EDT
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I know I'm going to end up getting one. Is there a difference in the lowers from the 7.62 other than the caliber called out on it?
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:07:15 PM EDT
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@PalmettoStateArmory Do they include a standard or a high pressure bolt with small diameter firing pin? |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:14:33 PM EDT
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It is not HPI tested, but it does include the smaller diameter firing pin You guys really need to update the website to confirm that the bolt included is a high pressure/small diameter firing pin bolt. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:16:57 PM EDT
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I know I'm going to end up getting one. Is there a difference in the lowers from the 7.62 other than the caliber called out on it? We had a run of these lowers that said MULTI on them. If you have one of these lowers, you can use it with your 6.5 upper. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:29:08 PM EDT
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If your lower specifically says AR .308 or 7.62, while they are the same design, you would be dabbling into illegality with your build, as it's not the caliber of your upper. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:32:29 PM EDT
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You are correct. They are the same design. It does get a bit strange in regards to mixing the parts. We had a run of these lowers that said MULTI on them. If you have one of these lowers, you can use it with your 6.5 upper. If your lower specifically says AR .308 or 7.62, while they are the same design, you would be dabbling into illegality with your build, as it's not the caliber of your upper. If your lower has the specific notation, you cannot use it. You would have to use the PA-65 notated lower. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:39:06 PM EDT
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Can you cite the legal basis for that statement? I am not an attorney but I was under the impression that the lower matching the upper caliber was applicable for NFA registered items. The caliber marking on the lower is 100% meaningless. PSA's CS rep needs to stop giving legal advice. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:07:38 PM EDT
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Sorry about the confusion. This is a shared account at PSA and our CS rep made a mistake on the following comment: "If your lower specifically says AR .308 or 7.62, while they are the same design, you would be dabbling into illegality with your build, as it's not the caliber of your upper." We have spoken to the rep and will make sure any information posted on the site is accurate. We do appreciate the questions and feedback in regards to our 6.5 CM release. We have taken great measures to make this product accurate, reliable and dependable.
We have noted that the description should include language that reflects the high pressure / small diameter firing pin bolt and it has been updated on the website to reflect this. Also, these barrels are designed in-house based on the standards of our extremely popular .308 and 5.56 barrels. If you have purchased a 6.5 from us already, thank you! If not, please consider a PA-65 as the latest addition to your PSA collection! -Management |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:26:43 PM EDT
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...But that doesn't address the part where you are selling a 6.5 CM rather than 6.5 Grendel!
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:52:28 PM EDT
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...But that doesn't address the part where you are selling a 6.5 CM rather than 6.5 Grendel! |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:11:06 PM EDT
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Hmm....I don't have a PA10 Gen 2 but I do have a LR308 that would work on..... |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:31:01 PM EDT
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Hmm....I don't have a PA10 Gen 2 but I do have a LR308 that would work on..... If it doesn't work, and it hand grenades in your face, I got dibs on your gun and ammo fort. If it doesn't work, and it doesn't hand grenade in your face, I will take the upper off your hands for $87. 
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:48:31 AM EDT
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Go ahead and take the plunge, buy the 6.5 CM upper for the LR308. Tell us how it works.... If it doesn't work, and it hand grenades in your face, I got dibs on your gun and ammo fort. If it doesn't work, and it doesn't hand grenade in your face, I will take the upper off your hands for $87. 
Why would it grenade? |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 9:02:26 AM EDT
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Go ahead and take the plunge, buy the 6.5 CM upper for the LR308. Tell us how it works.... If it doesn't work, and it hand grenades in your face, I got dibs on your gun and ammo fort. If it doesn't work, and it doesn't hand grenade in your face, I will take the upper off your hands for $87. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmm....I don't have a PA10 Gen 2 but I do have a LR308 that would work on..... If it doesn't work, and it hand grenades in your face, I got dibs on your gun and ammo fort. If it doesn't work, and it doesn't hand grenade in your face, I will take the upper off your hands for $87. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:32:16 AM EDT
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I tried a PA10 upper with a CMMG 7.62 lower and it does not fit. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:49:10 AM EDT
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Same question I was going to ask. Will these uppers fit any large frame lower or only PSA lowers? 
Which DPMS is as well: 
So that's a good start, if you're looking for DPMS (Gen 1) compatability. The part I don't quite understand is why PSA didn't go with the more appealing DPMS Gen 2 cut. I'd probably have one on order right now, if they did. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:28:27 PM EDT
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Man the whole AR10 hodgpodge world is just a mess. But just from visual inspection, there is the "rounded ass" style upper, and the "straight-angle ass" style; with lord only knows how many variations of that. The PSA style appears to be "rounded ass". http://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/1/516447017.jpg Which DPMS is as well: http://www.cncguns.com/images/DPMS%20AR10%20lower%20receiver%20comparison.jpg So that's a good start, if you're looking for DPMS (Gen 1) compatability. The part I don't quite understand is why PSA didn't go with the more appealing DPMS Gen 2 cut. I'd probably have one on order right now, if they did. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:52:42 AM EDT
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Sorry about the confusion. This is a shared account at PSA and our CS rep made a mistake on the following comment: "If your lower specifically says AR .308 or 7.62, while they are the same design, you would be dabbling into illegality with your build, as it's not the caliber of your upper." We have spoken to the rep and will make sure any information posted on the site is accurate. We do appreciate the questions and feedback in regards to our 6.5 CM release. We have taken great measures to make this product accurate, reliable and dependable. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:02:10 AM EDT
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Same question I was going to ask. Will these uppers fit any large frame lower or only PSA lowers? But I'm pretty sure that a few here have mixed dpms and PSA upper/lowers... Worst thing that could happen, order the upper. If it don't appear to work then set it aside until the lowers go on sale again. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:20:04 PM EDT
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From what I see, the PA10 gen 2 looks like it more closely copied the DPMS LR308 with the wider shelf on the lower receiver. PSA advised that the changes between gen 1 and 2 were purely cosmetic so I would imagine the gen 2 would work on your LR308 pattern lower.... However, PSA will not recommend that if you ask them... But I'm pretty sure that a few here have mixed dpms and PSA upper/lowers... Worst thing that could happen, order the upper. If it don't appear to work then set it aside until the lowers go on sale again. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:13:06 PM EDT
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That's great, taking the time to ream your employee and all, but what is the exact consensus if that is not correct? You've only said he's wrong, but what is right in that regard? You neglected to mention that part. Why even make a dedicated lower if you don't need it legally? And probably they will sell more this way.... |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:53:32 AM EDT
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I ordered one up.
I will report back with my "observations" . Might even start a different thread then my one in the PSA industry forum about the PSA PA10 GenII .308 ( https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/PA10-Nitrated-18-Gen-2-observations-fixes-Criterion-barrel-results-10-Sept-17-/301-284190/ ) Going to title this one "PA10 w/ 6.5CM 20" SS observations..." |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 3:48:08 PM EDT
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PSA came out with their 308 uppers and lowers around the same time as DPMS came out with Gen 2 and now they are kind of stuck with the design. Nothing wrong with it though, but you're pretty much stuck using a PSA upper with a PSA lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man the whole AR10 hodgpodge world is just a mess. But just from visual inspection, there is the "rounded ass" style upper, and the "straight-angle ass" style; with lord only knows how many variations of that. The PSA style appears to be "rounded ass". http://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/1/516447017.jpg Which DPMS is as well: http://www.cncguns.com/images/DPMS%20AR10%20lower%20receiver%20comparison.jpg So that's a good start, if you're looking for DPMS (Gen 1) compatability. The part I don't quite understand is why PSA didn't go with the more appealing DPMS Gen 2 cut. I'd probably have one on order right now, if they did. Can you clarify if your 6.5 CM upper will work with a 1st gen DPMS LR-308 lower ? |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 4:07:37 PM EDT
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@PalmettoStateArmory Can you clarify if your 6.5 CM upper will work with a 1st gen DPMS LR-308 lower ? |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:31:28 AM EDT
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Has anyone had a chance to try this rifle out? I have been doing a lot of shopping for a new rifle in 65CM and I can't find a review for this. I understand that at this price I will not get a nail driver at 1000yds. I just want to know what I can expect as far as accuracy.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 10:45:58 AM EDT
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Has anyone had a chance to try this rifle out? I have been doing a lot of shopping for a new rifle in 65CM and I can't find a review for this. I understand that at this price I will not get a nail driver at 1000yds. I just want to know what I can expect as far as accuracy. I will give a full report over in the PSA Industry forum... just like with the .308 version. ( https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/PA10-Nitrated-18-Gen-2-observations-fixes-Criterion-barrel-results-10-Sept-17-/301-284190/ ) Regardless if it is a "tack driver" ... the upper will work with my .308 PSA PA10 GenII.... that and the High pressure bolt, small firing pin was the big selling point for me. A barrel change was very easy in the .308. IMHO, even in its OEM form... it will still be a bargain.... read the linked thread. |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 9:10:26 PM EDT
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...But that doesn't address the part where you are selling a 6.5 CM rather than 6.5 Grendel! With that said, I hope the day PSA makes 6.5g comes much sooner, than later. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:26:14 PM EDT
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Got the 6.5CM PSA upper today... so far all looks ok... one slight issue. The FF tube uses a "key" with its bolts to secure it to the barrel nut..... mine did not have it.
Luckily, I was able to steal one from the .308 upper. Going to go measure the 6.5 firing pin compared to the .308 FP. PSA.... if you follow this thread, please IM me. I have an additional issue. Any further info is going to have to wait for a PSA response. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 9:37:53 AM EDT
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It is not HPI tested, but it does include the smaller diameter firing pin with a small diameter hole. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 10:34:58 AM EDT
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I got the 6.5CM Upper... but it came with the wrong bolt and firing pin... and no retaining key for the FF rail.
I got a .308 Bolt and firing pin... same dimensions as my .308 upper's bolt and firing pin. Good news is, Fred at PSA is sending me the proper "High pressure/ small diameter firing pin bolt" and retaining key. Very nice to see PSA be so prompt with the correction.... Thank You very much Fred ! So .... at this point... I want to know everyone's opinions on firing the 6.5CM with the .308 ( larger firing pin and hole ) bolt. Am I asking for problems ? I'd like to think it would be ok. Or should I wait for the "correct" bolt and firing pin... I will post other photos later.... gotta say, I like the barrel profile...good n' heavy. Gas tube makes just a tiny bit of contact with the barrel nut... not enough to be concerned. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 5:24:24 PM EDT
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