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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:45:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 6:39:22 PM EDT by MartytW]
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 1:11:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 1:12:51 AM EDT by codycoyote]
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 1:18:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 1:18:49 AM EDT by txgp17]
Illegal Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
-22-250 Remington


WTF?? That cartridge will bring down whitetail with ease! You can hunt with a 10mm or 357 Magnum, but not a 22-250. Sad.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 2:28:43 AM EDT
No Beowulf.....must be too wimpy. ;-)



Link Posted: 1/1/2006 4:46:53 AM EDT
My gun club will only let you shot that round on Satuday. dude thinks it distorys his target systems.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:07:13 AM EDT
if you've got a rifle chambered in 20mm-45(.45acp necked up to 20mm-non existance) and velocities of 150fps with a 800gr bullet then that's considered a lethal round for hunting because the idiot that made the decision don't know jack crap about firearms and any big caliber is better than a .224-wow the 20mm's got a whopping 39ftlbs of energy-enough to dispatch cockroaches at 10ft
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:30:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TonyRumore:
No Beowulf.....must be too wimpy. ;-)



No, it is one of those "wildcat cartridges"
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:59:40 PM EDT
10mm ok but 400 corbon not?

Something doesnt compute
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:35:25 PM EDT
Did anyone else notice this?

"Hmm, guess who is considered a legal hunting round?"

Shouldn't that be guess "what" is considered a legal hunting round? I mean, I really love my .50 Beowulf, but I know it's just an inanimate object... not a "who".

Scot

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:38:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shal1:
Did anyone else notice this?

"Hmm, guess who is considered a legal hunting round?"

Shouldn't that be guess "what" is considered a legal hunting round? I mean, I really love my .50 Beowulf, but I know it's just an inanimate object... not a "who".

Scot




Sorry, I was posting at 0245 after working all day building rifles and preventing FAE "kabooms"... my apologies if my grammar was taking a nap at that time ...
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:51:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 7:02:54 PM EDT by danpass]

Originally Posted By uafgrad:
10mm ok but 400 corbon not?

Something doesnt compute




45 long colt is "legal" but .45ACP is NOT

.223/5.56 not legal either

although it does say 'Big Game' ... but what is the real definition for that?

edit (for simplicity)
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Legal Big Game Rifle & Pistol Cartridges & Shotgun Shells
M.S.A 97B.031
At Least .23 caliber and case length of at least 1.285 inches


Legal Big Game Rifle Cartridges
6mm PPC
6mm Bench Rest Remington
240 Weatherby Magnum
240 Belted
242 Nitro
243 Winchester
243 WSSM
6mm Remington (244 Remington)
6mm Lee Navy
244 H & Magnum
25-20 Winchester (WCF)
25-25 Stevens
25-35 Winchester
25-36 Marlin
25 WSSM
25 STW
250 Savage (250-3000 Savage)
256 Newton
256 Winchester Magnum
257 Roberts
25 Remington
25-06 Remington
257 Weatherby Magnum
6.5mm TCU
6.5x50 Japanese Arisaka
6.5x52mm Carcano
6.5x53mm R
6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer
6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser
6.5 Remington Magnum
260 Remington
264 Winchester Magnum
6.8x43mm Remington SPC
270 Winchester
270 WSM
270 Weatherby Magnum
275 H & H Magnum
280 Ross
280 Remington / 7mm Express Remington
7mm-08 Remington
7-30 Waters
7mm BR Remington
7mm TCU
7mm Mauser (7x57mm)
7.35mm Italian Carcano
7x61mm Sharpe & Hart Super
7x64mm Brenneke
7x65mm Argentina
7x72mm Rimmed
7.5x55mm Swiss Schmidt- Rubin
7.5x54 French MAS
7.62x39mm Russian
7.62x54mm Rimmed
7.65x53mm Mauser
7.9x57mm JR
7.73mm Vom Hofe
7.7x58mm Japanese Ariska
7mm STW
7mm WSM
7mm Weatherby Magnum
7mm Remington Magnum
284 Winchester
30 Newton
30 Remington
30 Herrett
30 M1 Carbine ...... hehe, I got one
30-30 Winchester
307 Winchester
308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO)
30-06 Springfield
30-40 Krag
300 Savage
300 WSM
300 Remington SA Ultra Mag
300 Weatherby Magnum
300 Winchester Magnum
300 H&H Magnum
308 Norma Magnum
318 W-R
32 Remington
32 Winchester Self Loading
32-20 Winchester
32-40 Winchester
32 Winchester Special
325 WSM
33 Winchester
338 Remington Ultra Mag
338 Winchester Magnum
303 Savage
303 British
8mm Mauser (7.92 Mauser)
8mm Remington Magnum
8x51mm Lebel
8x58mm R Krag
8x15x46mm R
8x50mm R
9.3x72mm R
9.3x74 mm R
10.75x63mm
11mm Mauser
11mm Spanish
32 Winchester
32-20 Winchester
325 WSM
338 Winchester Magnum
340 Weatherby Magnum
348 Winchester
350 Remington Magnum
351 Winchester Self Loading (WSL)
35 Remington
35 Winchester
35 Whelen
356 Winchester
358 Winchester
350 Remington Magnum
358 Norma Magnum
375 Holland & Holland Magnum (H & H)
375 Weatherby Magnum
378 Weatherby Magnum
375 Winchester
38-40 Winchester
38-55 Winchester & Ballard
38-56 Winchester
38-72 Winchester
40-60 Winchester
40-72 Winchester
40-82 Winchester
401 Winchester Self Loading
405 Winchester
416 Rigby
416 Remington Magnum
416 Weatherby Magnum
44-40 Winchester
450 Nitro Express
450-400 3 1/4"
444 Marlin
45-70 U.S. Government
458 SOCOM
458 Winchester Magnum
460 Weatherby Magnum
465 Nitro Express
470 Nitro Express
50 Browning (50BMG)
50-75 Government
50-95 Winchester
50-100 Winchester
500 NE 3"
577 NE 3"
577 Snider
585 Nyati
700 Nitro Express
10 gauge Shotgun slug
12 gauge shotgun slug
16 gauge Shotgun slug
20 gauge Shotgun slug
.410 gauge Shotgun slug

Muzzle-loader portion of 97B031
the muzzle-loader used is incapable of being loaded at the breech
the smooth bore muzzle-loader used is of at least .45 inches: and
the rifled muzzle-loader used is a caliber of at least .40 inches

Legal Big Game Pistol Cartridges
10 mm Automatic (shorter than 1.285" case but legal by statute 97B.031 subd.7c)
357 Herrett
357 Magnum
357 Remington Max
41 Remington Magnum
44 Remington Magnum
44 Auto Mag
440 Corbin Magnum
45 Colt (45 Long Colt)
45 Winchester Mag (legal by statute exemption, case is shorter than 1.285)
454 Casull
475 Linebaugh
460 S&W Magnum
480 Ruger
50 Action Express (legal by statute exemption, case is shorter than 1.285)
50 Alaskan
50-110
500 Smith & Wesson Magnum
Illegal Cartridges
Caliber is either too small in diameter and or case length is too short.

Illegal Rimfire Cartridges
17 HMR
17 HMR Hornady Mach 2
22 Short Rimfire
22 Long rimfire
22 Long Rifle Rimfire
22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR)

Illegal Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
17 Remington
204 Ruger
218 Bee
5.45 x 18mm Soviet
5.7 x 28mm FN
22 Hornet
22 PPC
220 Swift
222 Remington
222 Remington Magnum
223 Remington (5.56 NATO)
223 WSSM
22-250 Remington
224 Weatherby Magnum
225 Winchester
256 Winchester
7.62x25mm Russian Torarev

Illegal Centerfire Pistol Cartridges
221 Fireball
22 Remington Jet
25 Auto (.25ACP)
30 Luger ( 7.65mm)
32 Short Colt
32 Long Colt
32 Smith & Wesson
32 Smith & Wesson Long
32 Auto (.32ACP)
38 Short Colt
38 Long Colt
38 Smith & Wesson
380 Automatic
38 AMU
38 Special
38 Super Automatic
9mm x 18mm Makarov
9mm Luger
9mm Ultra
9mm Winchester Magnum
357 /.44 Bain & Davis
40 Smith & Wesson Automatic
400 Corbon
44 Smith & Wesson Special
45 Auto (.45ACP)
45 Auto rim
45 Schofield
460 Rowland

Note: Bold print typically/originally a handgun cartridge.

The information on this list was compiled from the following sources:

DNR list dated Sept. 15, 1982
DNR list dated May 21, 2001
Cartridges of the World 7th Edition
NRA Firearms Fact Book 3rd Edition
Sierra Bullets Technician Phone Line
Winchester Ammunition 2005 Product Guide
Not all legal or illegal cartridges are included as there are many more obsolete or foreign cartridges as well as wildcat cartridges not listed.
Revised September 7, 2005
Ross M . Opsahl
Regional Training Officer/Conservation Officer
651-686-7998
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:58:48 PM EDT
Thank God the .50BMG is legal
You never know when you need to make instant hamburger in the field.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:37:06 AM EDT
I agree, why the heck isnt the 22-250 legal, thats crap!

thank god the 458 is though, lord knows thats all I hunt with anymore....
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:20:57 AM EDT
See in Kansas they say nothing smaller than .23, but that is legacy and has been in there 50+ years.
They also limit pistol calibers based on size and FPS.
Those are ofcourse only for big game, which is deer(white tail and mulie), antilope(if you are one of the extremely lucky), elk, and turkey, but you cant hunt turkey w/ rifle.
All other legal ground critters can be taken by any calibers/gagues, except upland birds which is shotgun only.
Missouri has no such size restriction on big game.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:05:36 PM EDT
Marty, I hope you realize I was just goofing around with that post... no offense intended or anything... I just thought that was kinda funny. Sorry.

Scot
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:14:48 PM EDT
One thing this topic does highlight is some of the silliness in the various state regs. NM says any centerfire caliber rifle or pistol for deer. They attempt to make the elk requirements real strict. Any center fire caliber rifle or pistol of 24 caliber. I am good to go, with my .32 Seecamp. It's way overkill for deer, but just right for Elk What is really sad is that the lack of sensible regulations tend to indicate that the Game Department leaves the common sense up to the hunter. In New Mexico? Not enough bandwidth to get into that discussion.

At least Colorado specifies minimum energy requirements along with caliber limitations. Not sure whether or not the Game Officers carry around charts, data and graphs, but my experience has taught me that most will take your word for it. I have been stopped with my 458 Socom and assorted handguns, and they seem to be mostly concerned with license violations, tresspass and alcohol consumption. Of course my 458 had to be checked for magazine capacity compliance. Those darn evil black rifles. I suppose it is like the BATF. If they bust you for an obvious big game violation, then they might break out the kinetic bullet puller, chrongraph and scales.

Marty is working on a 6x45 for me right now, and I specifically requested that he stamp the barrel caliber forward of my MGI handguard. Lets see, a .243 caliber bullet in 5.56 brass. Could look an awful lot like a 5.56 without calipers. I don't mind toting ballistic charts around with me in my fanny pack, but I draw the line at calipers. I'm gonna try this out on antelope. I'll save my Seecamp for New Mexico elk hunting.........

Craig
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:31:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shal1:
Marty, I hope you realize I was just goofing around with that post... no offense intended or anything... I just thought that was kinda funny. Sorry.

Scot



You need to do FAR worse to draw my ire I was just amused like all of you at the lack of sense in the list of what was and wasn't approved. Just surprised to find the SOCOM listed ...
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 12:04:18 PM EDT
Greetings,

I live in Minnesota. I guess that doesn't really add anything to this post.

However, the .30 Carbine was allowed for big game for the first time this year. It was passed in the legislature early 2005. Immeadiately after it was passed a writer in a local outdoors publication ranted about the ineffectiveness of the that particluar cartridge.

I find it interesting you can't use .223/5.56 in Minnesota yet they allow 30 carbine. I think it had to do with some Metrocrats (urban democrats) who thought it was ok to walk through the woods with a wood stocked non portruding pistol grip rifle vs. an evil black rifle. Just my 2 cents.

I was struck with EBRD late last year. I love it. My wife was upset because I spent so much money on a rifle and I can't kill deer with it. I told her to write her local legislator or allow me to buy a .458 upper. She wants me to write the letter and hold off on the upper. I did not write a letter, However I saving for the upper.

LittleLamb
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 1:06:59 AM EDT
ross m opsahl is a dumbass. and so is d. frankenstien and all of the others
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 1:12:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LittleLamb:
I find it interesting you can't use .223/5.56 in Minnesota yet they allow 30 carbine. I think it had to do with some Metrocrats (urban democrats) who thought it was ok to walk through the woods with a wood stocked non portruding pistol grip rifle vs. an evil black rifle. Just my 2 cents.




.30 Carbine is a powerhouse compared to .25-20, which is also legal according to that list...
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