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Posted: 6/13/2005 12:54:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2005 8:43:53 AM EDT by OverBored]
Hello,
I was looking into buying a ar-15 in 223, but then i got to thinking that it would be awesome to buy one that can double for deer hunting as well as fun. Now can a grendel round handle a deer? Out to how far? Are the grendel ammo prices going to be very expensive/ what are they comparable to price wise?

Now i am on a budget so i'm looking for basically the cheapest way to do this efficiently, how what path would you take if u were on as small of a budget that allows this to be done.

any other grendel info is great, likes dislikes etc....
Thanks a bunch
TJ
Link Posted: 6/13/2005 3:30:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2005 3:30:35 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]
Dupe.

Already posted in the AR discussion forum...
Link Posted: 6/13/2005 3:53:37 PM EDT
i posted them both, because i thought it was a form of a variant, and it was also an ar-15, you never know, not everyone may check them both..
Thought this was a place for good info, figured i should get all i could!!!
Link Posted: 6/13/2005 6:33:48 PM EDT
I am still waiting for my upper so I can't say from experience, but it should be an excellent deer round. But you should go to www.65grendel.com and do some reading about ballistics etc.; that should give you an idea whether that would suit you.
Link Posted: 6/13/2005 8:47:48 PM EDT
I really like mine; 24" Overwatch....think Varminter. At the time I bought they only offered 2 versions 24" & 28" Match. Now I think they offer 4 versions. One is a hunting version upper. Soon I think I read that they'll offer a Designated Marksman Rifle and maybe a Recce version. Regardless the uppers are pricey, but are of excellent quality. Bought mine from Competition Shooting Sports in Houston; prices were about as good as it was going to get for this caliber and all the other related gear I needed to rig it out.
I haven't had a chance to hunt with mine, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it as I would a .308 rifle. Loaded ammo runs about $1 a round right now (Lapua), but there are negotiations in the works for other manufacturers to start producing it, Wolf, etc. If you reload, it would definitely be an advantage right now. I reload. 6.5mm bullets are easy to acquire; brass(Lapua) has become easy to get since the last batch was delivered to the states.
When I read an article on this new caliber I had to get it. I think it is probably the ultimate cartridge for the AR platform; definitely an improvement over the 5.56mm. Although 5.56 is great for coyotes, I'm a little hesitant to use it on deer (bullet placement is key to everything of course).I'm probably going to get the Recce rifle when it comes out also (probably going to have to sell a couple items first) and it'll probably be my #1 fun gun. Well that and the .50 Beowulf; that one is definitely a blast also
Link Posted: 6/20/2005 1:09:45 AM EDT
Recommend "pinning" this thread

- like the .50 beowulf thread here or the 6.8 SPC thread in the other forum area.
Link Posted: 6/23/2005 8:41:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 8:49:08 PM EDT by OyOfMidworld]
I love my Grendel! I have Loaded 120gr Nosler BTs and 140gr SMKs. Sub moa with the NBTs but the 140s are going to take some development.

here she is. AA 19.2" over watch, Stag DPMS lower, A.R.M.S. rail, and a temporarry 3-9X42 Sightron Mil-dot (it's an awesome scope for $150 but i need want something 30mm.)
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:25:35 PM EDT
Here is another Grendel thread to add to the list:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=241474
Link Posted: 7/11/2005 7:44:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OyOfMidworld:
I love my Grendel! I have Loaded 120gr Nosler BTs and 140gr SMKs. Sub moa with the NBTs but the 140s are going to take some development.

here she is. AA 19.2" over watch, Stag lower, A.R.M.S. rail, and a temporarry 3-9X42 Sightron Mil-dot (it's an awesome scope for $150 but i need want something 30mm and sexy.)
www.hunt101.com/img/298054.jpg



I shot Berger 140gn vld loads (over mag length) and was very impressed being that i am not a good shot. My best group was abotu 1/4 MOA at 100 yards. I used the reloading data provided by Alexander Arms.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:03:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 5:06:03 AM EDT by specter_actual]
did anyone other then me see this 6.5 Grendel and.50 Beowulf
did the same people Engineer these rounds
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:16:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By specter_actual:
did anyone other then me see this 6.5 Grendel and.50 Beowulf



Ummm yeah they've been out for quite awhile



Originally Posted By specter_actual:did the same people Engineer these rounds


Yes
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:25:37 AM EDT
i just heard of them didnt know how long they had been out
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 2:27:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 2:27:51 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]

Originally Posted By specter_actual:
i just heard of them didnt know how long they had been out



www.alexanderarms.com
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:00:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WalkerTexasRanger:

Originally Posted By specter_actual:
i just heard of them didnt know how long they had been out



www.alexanderarms.com



Thanks for that link. New toy for me to buy.......
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:29:02 PM EDT
Does anyone know something about the Wolf 6.5 Grendel ammo being available? I e-mailed Wolf, AA and posted in another forum with no answer.
Any word from them? Some had said it was supposed to be out this past summer and nothing.
I still don't know whether to sell it and get a .308 or keep waiting.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:46:39 PM EDT
The Wolf debut is supposed to be Shot Show February 2006, according to AA.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:07:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cg:
The Wolf debut is supposed to be Shot Show February 2006, according to AA.




No comment...
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 10:35:23 AM EDT
Maybe I missed it, how many 6.5 rounds can you fit in a m16 30rd mag?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:15:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 2:32:57 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]

Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:
Maybe I missed it, how many 6.5 rounds can you fit in a m16 30rd mag?



AR15/M16 magazines do not work with the Grendel.

You need Grendel mags, currently there are 17 rounders available that are identical in size to GI 20s. 25 rounders are currently in development (per AA in another thread).

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 10:31:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 10:31:30 AM EDT by Nosmik]
Well, I got an email from Wolf saying that they are no going to produce the ammo.

Who wants a Grendel...?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:37:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nosmik:
Well, I got an email from Wolf saying that they are no going to produce the ammo.

Who wants a Grendel...?



Please forward me a copy of the email - walkermarka@yahoo.com


Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:31:35 PM EDT
what ya want for the grendel?????
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 12:41:23 PM EDT
One should always be careful posting disparaging comments on a web forum.

In the spirit of AR15.com I will declare that I may have a financial interest in the success of the Grendel and that the work with Wolf is underway now. However as an interested party making a statement I am obviously falsifying this information to create a tissue of lies thus undermining something or other.

And for those in the cheap seats this is indeed sarcasm.

Would anyone be interested in continuing this thread with some useful information. For example should I be looking at an FMJ or a vented tip load for the Wolf ammunition. Or would someone like to chime in with a suggestion for a model they would like to see.

Bill Alexander
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 2:37:54 PM EDT
Time will tell. Let's see what happens...
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 3:45:48 PM EDT
I hope wolf does come out with ammo.If it is accurate and the brass is reloadable and of good quality.If not I won't shoot it in my Hunter. That said, even if it is not, cheap ammo can only increase interest in this great caliber and Bill's rifles. Roben.
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 5:29:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2005 5:30:56 PM EDT by Griz]

Originally Posted By Trestles:
For example should I be looking at an FMJ or a vented tip load for the Wolf ammunition.



Here's my top ten list in order of priority:

1) Low cost (Use the lowest cost projectile. Terminal ballistics don't matter for ringing gongs and hunting the wiley tin can. If I need to kill something, I'm happy to use more expensive ammo).
2) Low cost
3) Low cost
4) Low cost
5) Low cost
6) Low cost
7) Low cost
viii) Reliability
ix) Accuracy (I don't expect better than 1 MOA from commercial ammo, but if it's worse than ~1.5MOA, I'm unhappy.)
x) External ballistics (otherwise what's the point of using a 6.5 Grendel over the alternatives?)
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 2:27:27 PM EDT
The Grendel is proving itself to be a top competitor as a pistol as well as a rifle.

Winning matches on a regular basis is a sure guarantee that more manufacturers will be jumping aboard to make ammo.

I'm looking forward to the Lapua offerings for match shooting and the Wolf stuff for hunting and plinking.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 8:11:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By specter_actual:
did anyone other then me see this 6.5 Grendel and.50 Beowulf
did the same people Engineer these rounds



I think most of us missed the intent of his question, which was a thread hijacking. have
Link Posted: 12/7/2005 6:22:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JeepJake:
I think most of us missed the intent of his question, which was a thread hijacking. apparently not many of us have read eighth century poetry or folklore.



Or it is so obvious that no one felt it warranted comment
Link Posted: 12/8/2005 6:57:03 PM EDT
Getting back on track,
I received an email from Wolf ammunition saying that they will start producing 6.5G in the beginning of the year so let's see what happens.
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 8:28:50 PM EDT
I will probably be beaten for this, but has anyone mounted a SIR on a grendel yet?
Link Posted: 12/11/2005 5:15:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Embalmed:
I will probably be beaten for this, but has anyone mounted a SIR on a grendel yet?



From the 65Grendel.com website:

"05-25-2004, 08:39 AM
Arne
Senior Member

The ARMS SIR system can be put on the 18.5" and 24" inch overwatch uppers and both would use the full length model.

The ARMS SIR was listed as a factory installed option,but those who have opted for an alternate handguard have chosen the Predator or Medesha handguard. Since there have been no request for the ARMS SIR, I have dropped it as a factory installed option. If you would like that, it can still be done, but it is a $450.00 option.

The 6.5 Grendel will not use standard .223 Remington magazines"

It appears if you contact Arne @ Competition Shooting Sports, Inc. he might be assit you. Give him a call and see if the above quote is still in effect, as it was 19 months ago.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 6:05:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 6:13:41 AM EDT by Timanator]
Looks like the Grendel is finally catching on in the civilian world. Coming from the dark side(6.8 SPC) there was a lot of shortcomings that never got resolved on the 6.8.

Problems that I encountered are inaccurate factory ammo, lower than expected velocity and few bullet choices with good BC's made for a difficult rifle to do any type of precision shooting. And the final nail on the coffin for me was the new Hornady ammo with smll rifle primers(They cant even agree on the brass???). As for the 06 Shotshow, they are bragging about the Vmax equiped ammo, while this is all we reloaded since that and HP are the best options out there and still is.

Now that I have researched some and saw some chrono data first hand with Arne and WalkerTexasRanger, I have seen the light. If accuracy in an AR platorm is what your desire, look no further than the Grendel.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 9:11:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Timanator:
Looks like the Grendel is finally catching on in the civilian world. Coming from the dark side(6.8 SPC) there was a lot of shortcomings that never got resolved on the 6.8.

Problems that I encountered are inaccurate factory ammo, lower than expected velocity and few bullet choices with good BC's made for a difficult rifle to do any type of precision shooting. And the final nail on the coffin for me was the new Hornady ammo with smll rifle primers(They cant even agree on the brass???). As for the 06 Shotshow, they are bragging about the Vmax equiped ammo, while this is all we reloaded since that and HP are the best options out there and still is.

Now that I have researched some and saw some chrono data first hand with Arne and WalkerTexasRanger, I have seen the light. If accuracy in an AR platorm is what your desire, look no further than the Grendel.



I love my Grendel. Huge selection of bullets and many different types of powder allows for a huge amount of different loads to try out. AS for the 6.8 short commings, Ive heard so much about the 6.8 supperior velocity and energy at shorter ranges. While that is true, I bet both rounds will kill a man just as good as the other at any range up to 300 yards. Plus after 300 yards 6.5 becomes supperior in terms of velocity and energy and accuracy over 6.8 and 308. If a unit could be armed with 16 inch or 14.5 inch ar-15 grendels and have one designated marksmen with a 20-24 inch barrel'd rifle with a match chamber. Well that would be one powerfully armed unit.
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 12:51:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2006 12:53:01 PM EDT by OverBored]
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 5:06:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2006 5:10:50 PM EDT by Onslaught]

Originally Posted By OverBored:
Bumping to untack.

The FAQ threads can be found here:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=270690&page=1


We need someone to step up and do a FAQ on this cartridge.


I vote Grendelizor
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 7:22:25 PM EDT
second
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 5:13:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 5:31:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2006 5:44:57 AM EDT by TX65]
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 6:01:32 AM EDT
Arne:

It would probably be best to start your FAQ on the 6.5G on a different thread. That way OverBored can move it to the content server like he did for the 50B, 458Socom and 300Whisper.

Ed
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 6:51:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2006 6:53:46 AM EDT by imposter]
Is it true that Grendel mags will function in 6.8 SPC rifles? Is the reverse true?

I'm just looking for another excuse to "get both."
Link Posted: 3/3/2006 12:24:19 PM EDT
Imposter, the Grendel case is based, loosely, on the 7.62x39 Russian case. As such, it's a little fatter than 6.8 SPC cases. Without having tried it, my suspicion is that 6.8 SPC rounds in Grendel-specific mags (such as the new 26-round Grendel steel mags from Creative Products) might be a little "loose" or "rattly." But again, that's just a guess.

John
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 7:11:42 AM EDT
I've read where my 6.8 Pri mags will function in my Grendel but haven't tried them. Would like to know if the 6.5 mags will work in the 6.8.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:46:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By UgashikBob:
I've read where my 6.8 Pri mags will function in my Grendel but haven't tried them. Would like to know if the 6.5 mags will work in the 6.8.



The word from Creative Products, the new mfg of the 26 round Grendel mags is that yes, 6.8 will work. However, I beleive that CP has also announced dedicated 6.8 mags due out either this month or next anyway.

If they work for both, yep, even better for those who are lucky enough to own both a 6.5 and a 6.8.

If nothing else, worth $25 just to try. If they don't work with a 6.8, I am sure you would have no trouble selling to a Grendel shooter...
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