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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:44:34 AM EDT
[#1]
I was never really a fan of Keymod from the get go so, never invested in that rail or system. I personally prefer the aesthetics of the MLOK but, at the end of the day, it will just be a personal choice. I do get what you're saying given the fact that the Military may adopt MLOK but, I think that there is enough Keymod rails and accessories on the market as of now to justify continued production to support it. Not sure just how long that may be but, I don't see it going away anytime soon.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:01:14 AM EDT
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BCM has done their due diligence and decided to go MLOK. That in itself should be enough indication.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:52:27 AM EDT
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I prefer MLOK but I don't think Keymod will die out that quick as BCM has too much invested in it.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:53:57 AM EDT
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Yea I know. But I have my eyes on a BCM Recce KMR-A 14LW. It has a 10” keymod rail. With BCM coming out with their mlok rails this week is it a bad buy? I’m thinking the only thing that was keeping keymod going was BCM. Now that they are doing mlok I’m thinking that keymod will go extinct, except for shelving units. MLOK all the way because of the bold. Keymod reminds me of Home Depot product shelves. I just can't do it. 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:00:16 AM EDT
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Yea I know. But I have my eyes on a BCM Recce KMR-A 14LW. It has a 10” keymod rail. With BCM coming out with their mlok rails this week is it a bad buy? I’m thinking the only thing that was keeping keymod going was BCM. Now that they are doing mlok I’m thinking that keymod will go extinct, except for shelving units. It is going to dwindle with time I think but so much key(Penis)-mod exist no one is jumping ship just yet. I think M-Lok accessories will continue to explode like the Kinetic Development QD stuff for M-Lok. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:38:35 AM EDT
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Yea I know. But I have my eyes on a BCM Recce KMR-A 14LW. It has a 10” keymod rail. With BCM coming out with their mlok rails this week is it a bad buy? I’m thinking the only thing that was keeping keymod going was BCM. Now that they are doing mlok I’m thinking that keymod will go extinct, except for shelving units. I think you're correct. Personally, I think Keymod is going to pretty much drop off the face of the earth, and sooner rather than later. BCM found out they aren't Magpul and accessory makers have little incentive. With Picatinny and M-LOK now the de facto standards, the number of Keymod users is effectively maxed out at the present and will only dwindle with time. That's because the guys who adopted Keymod over Picatinny are the same guys who chase the latest and greatest parts and accessories that supposedly are better in some way. They will switch out for the latest sexy thing (that just so happens will likely be in M-LOK). In a couple years it will pretty much be, "Hey, remember Keymod?" I wouldn't buy anything Keymod anymore. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:11:17 AM EDT
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Whatever engineering superiority keymod might have over m-lok has been completely overshadowed by the "dickmod" association and ascetic appeal of M-Lok. Baring something like official adoption by the military, keymod is going the way of betamax.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:11:45 AM EDT
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The main upside for keymod now is the cost
Because m lok is more popular I can score keymod stuff much cheaper for my more budget friendly builds I loc tite my stuff and it’s held up just fine but I’m not jumping over fences and out of airplanes with my guns I still prefer my KAC DD quad rails over keymod and m lok though From everything I’ve seen if you abuse both enuf stuff will pop off Also I like the looks of keymod/mlok/and quads |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:23:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:24:27 AM EDT
[#10]
As soon as some SF/Delta/Ninjas are caught with the newest Mlok HK416 / Mk 18.5 Giessele handguards, the KeyMod fanboys will jump to Mlok and act like they were Mlok from the start.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:32:59 AM EDT
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As soon as some SF/Delta/Ninjas are caught with the newest Mlok HK416 / Mk 18.5 Giessele handguards, the KeyMod fanboys will jump to Mlok and act like they were Mlok from the start. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:53:22 AM EDT
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Because m lok is more popular I can score keymod stuff much cheaper for my more budget friendly builds With the increasing popularity of m-lok, keymod is going to be great for budget friendly builds, because the handguards from quality manufacturers will be less expensive, and because of the wide availability of keymod accessories (currently greater availability than m-lok) which will also be less expensive than their m-lok counterparts |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:57:49 AM EDT
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+1 With the increasing popularity of m-lok, keymod is going to be great for budget friendly builds, because the handguards from quality manufacturers will be less expensive, and because of the wide availability of keymod accessories (currently greater availability than m-lok) which will also be less expensive than their m-lok counterparts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because m lok is more popular I can score keymod stuff much cheaper for my more budget friendly builds With the increasing popularity of m-lok, keymod is going to be great for budget friendly builds, because the handguards from quality manufacturers will be less expensive, and because of the wide availability of keymod accessories (currently greater availability than m-lok) which will also be less expensive than their m-lok counterparts |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:59:01 AM EDT
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As soon as some SF/Delta/Ninjas are caught with the newest Mlok HK416 / Mk 18.5 Giessele handguards, the KeyMod fanboys will jump to Mlok and act like they were Mlok from the start. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:59:21 AM EDT
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Any good deals on dickmod handguards yet? I got a M&P sport 2 that could use something nicer than the stock plastic guards.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:37:52 PM EDT
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I've got two Keymod railed guns that I like just fine and won't swap out. I'm not a hard use guy really and the system has worked flawlessly for what I need it to do. I probably won't build another one with Keymod though because it seems like the market is moving towards MLOK. Fine by me, I just need an attachment system that works.
Did have to build a CWAR with MLOK to avoid the abuse. No regrets there either - MLOK is great. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:39:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Random double post
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:50:07 PM EDT
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I think you're correct. Personally, I think Keymod is going to pretty much drop off the face of the earth, and sooner rather than later. BCM found out they aren't Magpul and accessory makers have little incentive. With Picatinny and M-LOK now the de facto standards, the number of Keymod users is effectively maxed out at the present and will only dwindle with time. That's because the guys who adopted Keymod over Picatinny are the same guys who chase the latest and greatest parts and accessories that supposedly are better in some way. They will switch out for the latest sexy thing (that just so happens will likely be in M-LOK). In a couple years it will pretty much be, "Hey, remember Keymod?" I wouldn't buy anything Keymod anymore. 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 2:13:37 PM EDT
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I've run KM without issue. I also have an integrated rail at the end, so the light mount locking mechanism is not KM. My VFG mounts directly to the KM slots and hasn't had an issue.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:59:42 PM EDT
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When keymod came out, everyone said picatinny quad rails would drop off the face of the earth, yet companies continue to release quad rails and they continue to sell https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/725/725128.jpg https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-QRF-12-556-BLK-3.jpg |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 5:31:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Here we go again.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 5:48:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Keymod is much easier to install imo, but m-lok looks cooler for the most part, although I do think keymod looks better on a few certain rifles.
I don't think keymod will go extinct anytime soon as far as that goes though. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 6:24:06 PM EDT
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That's because everyone assumed Keymod superior to picatinny. It isn't. 
Over this? 
You need those 150 picatinny slots, eh? You like that extra weight and cinder block feel? Cool beans. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 6:48:21 PM EDT
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I like the MLOK looks because it would be a really good way to show off a nice barrel. Very similar to the VTAC spec Kyle Lamb and JP developed.
KM probably isn't going anywhere because there are definitely quality pieces from a lot of MFGs (Noveske, VLTOR, BCM, PWS) that install much easier than MLOK. Certainly my favorite VFG to run outside of a KAC is the BCM. It just locks up solid. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 6:50:51 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm old school. I like quad rails and do not like the idea of adding another level of mechanical interface between the weapon and the accessory mounted to it.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:00:39 PM EDT
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lol so you'd take this https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/DD-09186-3.jpg Over this? https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/bfc/bcm-ar-15-gunfighter-kmr-15-bcm-kmr-15-556-blk-by-bravo-company-mfg-color-black-aaa.jpg You need those 150 picatinny slots, eh? You like that extra weight and cinder block feel? Cool beans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's because everyone assumed Keymod superior to picatinny. It isn't. https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/DD-09186-3.jpg Over this? https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/bfc/bcm-ar-15-gunfighter-kmr-15-bcm-kmr-15-556-blk-by-bravo-company-mfg-color-black-aaa.jpg You need those 150 picatinny slots, eh? You like that extra weight and cinder block feel? Cool beans. I could have gotten a BCM 11.5 with keymod for about $200 cheaper. Instead paid more and got the 10" CA C4 and never regretted it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:10:56 PM EDT
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Love the KMR's. Look forward to people jumping ship on them. Hopefully I can get a couple more of the older magnesium rails. Jump people jump.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:22:21 PM EDT
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When keymod came out, everyone said picatinny quad rails would drop off the face of the earth, yet companies continue to release quad rails and they continue to sell Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you're correct. Personally, I think Keymod is going to pretty much drop off the face of the earth, and sooner rather than later. BCM found out they aren't Magpul and accessory makers have little incentive. With Picatinny and M-LOK now the de facto standards, the number of Keymod users is effectively maxed out at the present and will only dwindle with time. That's because the guys who adopted Keymod over Picatinny are the same guys who chase the latest and greatest parts and accessories that supposedly are better in some way. They will switch out for the latest sexy thing (that just so happens will likely be in M-LOK). In a couple years it will pretty much be, "Hey, remember Keymod?" I wouldn't buy anything Keymod anymore. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:25:48 PM EDT
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I'm old school. I like quad rails and do not like the idea of adding another level of mechanical interface between the weapon and the accessory mounted to it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 9:30:28 PM EDT
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To each their own. I could have gotten a BCM 11.5 with keymod for about $200 cheaper. Instead paid more and got the 10" CA C4 and never regretted it.  
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:39:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Personally I think KeyMod accessories mount better. I like MLOK more though because of looks. Looks are everything.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:55:24 PM EDT
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Personally I think KeyMod accessories mount better. I like MLOK more though because of looks. Looks are everything. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:47:59 AM EDT
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Have both and will buy more of both based on quality and price. Latest purchase was a MI 15" gen3 mlok and on sale for $100 PWS 12" keymod DI rail. Still like the more intricately machined appearance and quick field use of keymod versus mlok and both over a quadrail.
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:54:46 AM EDT
[#34]
M-LOK from the beginning! KeyMod = Ugly! My rifles have to have a lil' style
I ran with a JP hand guard on my 16" SPR(Mk12)/3-Gun and picatinny quads on the carbines. A Geissele 13" Mk8 M-Lok was 1st on the list for my last build. A Mk8 9.5" M-Lok is going on my next build. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 4:20:21 AM EDT
[#35]
M-Lok purely for aesthetics for me.
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:32:39 PM EDT
[#36]
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Yea I know. But I have my eyes on a BCM Recce KMR-A 14LW. It has a 10” keymod rail. With BCM coming out with their mlok rails this week is it a bad buy? I’m thinking the only thing that was keeping keymod going was BCM. Now that they are doing mlok I’m thinking that keymod will go extinct, except for shelving units. If your main worry is keymod going extinct then don’t worry keymod will be around for one simple reason Keymod was released under open source M-lok was released under free license Anyone wanting to make keymod can do so without having to wait/get approval from Magpul and meet there mfg standards So if you like that upper I say buy it ultimately it’s your $$$$ and you decide whether you like it There are pros and cons to each system and there will always be fan boys of certain said systems this goes back to the 9vs45 .556 vs .308 steel vs plastic lol I have a feeling if you buy that upper keymod or m-lok it will serve you well BCM makes quality stuff |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:54:21 PM EDT
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When keymod came out, everyone said picatinny quad rails would drop off the face of the earth, yet companies continue to release quad rails and they continue to sell https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/725/725128.jpg https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-QRF-12-556-BLK-3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
When keymod came out, everyone said picatinny quad rails would drop off the face of the earth, yet companies continue to release quad rails and they continue to sell https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/725/725128.jpg https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-QRF-12-556-BLK-3.jpg Quoted:
lol so you'd take this https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/DD-09186-3.jpg Over this? https://www.rainierarms.com/media/product/bfc/bcm-ar-15-gunfighter-kmr-15-bcm-kmr-15-556-blk-by-bravo-company-mfg-color-black-aaa.jpg You need those 150 picatinny slots, eh? You like that extra weight and cinder block feel? Cool beans. To answer your question though OP I would go mlok. From an outsider who has invested in neither system TO ME that MLOK is the way most people and MFGs seem to be leaning. I also admit i have not followed either system so my assertation on the topic may be erroneous. IIRC when the military did testing on both systems I believe they found MLOK accessories and rail sections to retain more securely when dropped as well as returning back to zero if taken off and reattached. As usual I also prefer the look of MLOK to the dick mod.
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Posted: 10/18/2017 1:39:48 PM EDT
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I know, right? I just picked up a Troy MRF-C. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To each their own. I could have gotten a BCM 11.5 with keymod for about $200 cheaper. Instead paid more and got the 10" CA C4 and never regretted it. Good choice!
I see the advantages of the keymod/mlok with compared to the quads... I just don't think they "look" right, if that makes any sense. As far as the "cheese grader" talk... I have Tango Down stubby's on all my AR's and incorporate the late Pat Rogers grip, so that doesn't effect me. 
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Posted: 10/18/2017 2:33:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2017 2:38:11 PM EDT
[#40]
I like Keymod, and own two KMRs, but the writing is on the wall.
Hopefully BCM offers the Mlok rails with no hardware so those with KMRs can swap them if desired without having to buy everything. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 10:43:01 PM EDT
[#41]
According to the military, the M-LOK is the "better" product. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/03/31/ussocom-selects-m-lok-for-weapon-programs/
For regular users, unless you are frequently taking items off or abusing it with accessories on, I don't think you'd have any issue. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:48:18 AM EDT
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If you have real key-mod accessories, with the locating raised area on the mounting surface, which drops into a key-mod hole, it is absolutely more positive than M-lok. Unfortunately many accessories don't have this locking tab. The cheap accessories will not be as secure as Mlok. However the real ones with the locating tab are as secure as any mounting system. I also HATE the difficulty in securing the M-Lok accessories with the spinning nut.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:08:47 AM EDT
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Already had a lot of MLOK stuff from my MOE furniture on most of my ARs, so going to MLOK Free Float rails is a "Keep On Rocking" high five for me!
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Posted: 10/19/2017 5:19:20 AM EDT
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If you have real key-mod accessories, with the locating raised area on the mounting surface, which drops into a key-mod hole, it is absolutely more positive than M-lok. Unfortunately many accessories don't have this locking tab. The cheap accessories will not be as secure as Mlok. However the real ones with the locating tab are as secure as any mounting system. I also HATE the difficulty in securing the M-Lok accessories with the spinning nut. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:02:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2017 1:07:28 PM EDT
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That's because everyone assumed Keymod superior to picatinny. It isn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When keymod came out, everyone said picatinny quad rails would drop off the face of the earth, yet companies continue to release quad rails and they continue to sell https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/725/725128.jpg https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-QRF-12-556-BLK-3.jpg Quoted:
IIRC when the military did testing on both systems I believe they found MLOK accessories and rail sections to retain more securely when dropped as well as returning back to zero if taken off and reattached. As usual I also prefer the look of MLOK to the dick mod. I do not trust the small screws that secure most other free float rails. I honestly believe that BCM and DD have superior rail-mounting systems. I will not use anything else. Quoted:
If you have real key-mod accessories, with the locating raised area on the mounting surface, which drops into a key-mod hole, it is absolutely more positive than M-lok. Unfortunately many accessories don't have this locking tab. The cheap accessories will not be as secure as Mlok. However the real ones with the locating tab are as secure as any mounting system. I also HATE the difficulty in securing the M-Lok accessories with the spinning nut. I will always believe the test done by Crane as incomplete. If they redid the test with better rail mounting systems (BCM would be my choice, since they make all three platforms, in the same sizes, and using the same mounting hardware I trust) then I'd put more water into that test. Until that point, I will run a KMRA on my 300BLK, a QRF on a rebuild I am planning, and a twin 14.5" middy twin set (one KMRA and one MCMR). |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 2:28:17 AM EDT
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I don't mind either but I usually have clearance issues around the gas block with mlok accessories due to the screw length.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 10:17:23 AM EDT
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According to the military, the M-LOK is the "better" product. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/03/31/ussocom-selects-m-lok-for-weapon-programs/ For regular users, unless you are frequently taking items off or abusing it with accessories on, I don't think you'd have any issue. And that's really the bottom line. When DoD at large does the same thing, that's that, as they say. |
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