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Posted: 2/4/2006 3:08:23 PM EDT
Yeah yeah, bayonets are not useful to the average joe, but I bought one anyway, just because I can.

Well, I put it on my Bushmaster Patrolman's Carbine and it clearly doesn't fit right.

I'm assuming the ring is supposed to encircle the birdcage.
Not even close!
http://www.imagebucket.net/images/kframe/bayo1.jpg
http://www.imagebucket.net/images/kframe/bayo2.jpg
Looks stupid too. hat
Just a heads up if you have a similar carbine and considered buying a bayonet. -Kris
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:08:56 PM EDT
Standard bayonets don't fit a 16" M4 barrel.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:10:26 PM EDT
One of the reasons why I bought a midlength. Bayo fits perfect.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:10:54 PM EDT
Bayonet is designed of standard 20 inch upper or the 14.5 inch upper. Some midlength 16 inch uppers will fit it properly but the standard 16 inch ones will not.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:14:58 PM EDT
you have a civilian leagal 16" car barrel with handguards.

you need a 14.5" USGI barrel with permanently attached 1.5" or greater flash suppressor to use the bayo. or you need a midlength handguard/gas system on a 16" barrel.

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:55:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By grizzlyarms:
you have a civilian leagal 16" car barrel with handguards.

you need a 14.5" USGI barrel with permanently attached 1.5" or greater flash suppressor to use the bayo. or you need a midlength handguard/gas system on a 16" barrel.




That's kinda what I figured now.

Of course, I'm not gonna spend $400 or so just to make my $20 bayonet functional.

At least, not right now. It's tempting though.... hacko.gif

-K
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:40:36 PM EDT
If you feel you need one for your current weapon, there are bayonets made that will fit the 16" model, they just aren't as common as the standard military versions.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:46:29 PM EDT
I believe prebanarms, or CMMG, forgot which one, but they sell an extension.

Looks ghey....but if you want it to fit right, cut it down, 14.5, and weld on a phantom.

or......extension
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 6:44:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:04:12 AM EDT
No, the bayonet is supposed to fit loose like this.

The reason: as you approach the Enemy with fixed bayonet, you shake your weapon vigorously. The metallic sound this creates as the oversize ring strikes the barrel terrifies the Enemy, thus preparing him for Death. This is why they call it the "Death Rattle".
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 8:30:52 AM EDT
Kind of like a rattlesnake warning right?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 8:38:48 AM EDT
I wonder if anyone makes a split bushing that could fit the barrel. held in place with a split ring or something
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:10:35 AM EDT
Here is what i did and it cost me around $10-$15 I cut and welded in to add to the lenght.

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:28:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC88-93:
Bayonet is designed of standard 20 inch upper or the 14.5 inch upper. Some midlength 16 inch uppers will fit it properly but the standard 16 inch ones will not.



Just to be nit picky. A 16" middy will mount a bayo but not exactly correctly. Here is a pic of how a bayo fit's on a 14.5" (or 20") AR\M-16...

Here is how a bayo fits on a 16" middy...

workable but not really correct.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:44:55 AM EDT
DSG has what you need...

http://dsgarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=704
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:54:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BrianB2:
DSG has what you need...

http://dsgarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=704



$60!? I'll pass
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:56:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By knowone:

Originally Posted By grizzlyarms:
you have a civilian leagal 16" car barrel with handguards.

you need a 14.5" USGI barrel with permanently attached 1.5" or greater flash suppressor to use the bayo. or you need a midlength handguard/gas system on a 16" barrel.




That's kinda what I figured now.

Of course, I'm not gonna spend $400 or so just to make my $20 bayonet functional.

At least, not right now. It's tempting though....

-K




$400.00 ??? A new barrel assembly from Bushmaster costs ~$200.00.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 10:54:57 AM EDT
Really, only $200?
Hmmmmm, that may change things a bit.....


You're evil you know. -K
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 11:00:45 AM EDT
Yep, you can send your upper to Bushmaster, and they'll install the new barrel for you. You'll receive your old barrel in the box with your newly re-barreled upper, and you can sell it on the EE right here for around $150 - $175 depending on round count.

Swapping barrels is really not all that expensive.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 11:21:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By knowone:
Really, only $200?
Hmmmmm, that may change things a bit.....


You're evil you know.

-K



Yep.
Get a 14.5 inch bbl and perm attach a phantom or vortex to it.
Problem solved.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 11:49:37 AM EDT
With Vortex

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:51:30 PM EDT
Man, you guys are terrible!!!

Two hours ago I was thinking my bayonet was just gonna be a wall-hanger, and now I've been checking out Bushmaster's website and the paper catalog I have and thinking about sending it out in the next week or two.


Oh well, what are friends for, right?
headbang.gif

I really like the look of the A2 birdcage, so it'd be nice to get an extended A2 style that is legal length and would support the bayonet.

Certainly, I've heard great things about the Vortex, but for some reason I want the aesthetics of the A2.

Man, the goofy reasons we decide to spend $$$, huh? hinking.gif
-K
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:23:54 PM EDT
So you are planning actually shooting your rifle and just staring at it like a piece of art?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:54:42 PM EDT
Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 3:14:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 3:15:26 PM EDT by JasonC]

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?



And this comes from a guy who lives in CA
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:10:51 PM EDT
Why bayonets?

Same as all my other firearm and accessory choices:

Because I can.

-K
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 7:25:27 PM EDT by Onslaught]

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?


Awe come on guys... I remember back when I bought my first AR15...

It was 1993, I was 23 years old, and my love was a Bushmaster XM15E2S with an A1 carry handle and an 11.5/5.5 barrel... The first thing I bought after mags and ammo was a cheap-ass bayonet from Ranger Joe's

13 years and several AR15s later, it hasn't been mounted more than 3 or 4 times... The last time was a few years ago to demonstrate to my son what that "thing" was under my front sight. Oh, and once just to see if a bayonet would indeed fit on a mid-length.

Which reminds me, anybody wanna buy a bayonet for cheap
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 8:23:57 PM EDT
I run a 14.5 M4 profile with a permanent phantom.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:43:06 AM EDT
How about one of those add ons for post ban barrels? The ones that are just a bayonet lug on a barrel clamp. Probably looks like crap when the bayonet isn't on, but might not be horrible looking.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:37:39 AM EDT

Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?


We want to piss people off. Like, say, senators from CA, for example. You of all people should understand that.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:18:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?



I need one so the carbiine is long enough to stand up in the safe.
Note: I ususally slide the scabbard over it to avoid cutting the felt

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:39:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dSmith45:

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
Bayonets? What's wrong with you guys?



I need one so the carbiine is long enough to stand up in the safe.
Note: I ususally slide the scabbard over it to avoid cutting the felt

www.myweb.cableone.net/dSmith-45/mysafe.jpg



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