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Posted: 12/31/2005 3:26:05 PM EDT
I have a Bushmaster 16 inch post ban barrel. I will be getting it threaded for a flash suppressor. Does anyone have a specific favorite and why? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:09:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 4:10:03 PM EDT by jollyroger]
I like my Phantom 5C2. It does a lot better job supressing the flash in the dark than the A2 or naked muzzle. However the "best" for flash supressors is the Vortex. Plus both the Phantom and Vortex look sweet to boot.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:23:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 4:23:34 PM EDT by Mike_AK]
A2 birdcage. Looks cool. I just bought a replacement for my post-ban Bushmaster AK Shorty. Stay away from the AK-style brake. It is miserable to be around...very loud. I replaced my AK Shorty A2 upper with an A3 16" with a birdcage flash hider. Looks great and is not near as loud.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:44:29 PM EDT
I've noticed when looking at the suppressors there is an option to get the peel or crush washer. Which one do I get? Whats the difference?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:47:17 PM EDT
I've only used crush washers. Dont really know much about the peel washers.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:49:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:54:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
A2 birdcage. Looks cool. I just bought a replacement for my post-ban Bushmaster AK Shorty. Stay away from the AK-style brake. It is miserable to be around...very loud. I replaced my AK Shorty A2 upper with an A3 16" with a birdcage flash hider. Looks great and is not near as loud.

You know, you can purchase a flash suppressor that "looks cool" and suppresses almost all of the flash. For a 16" rifle, the A2 flash suppressor ain't it. It will work well on a 20" bbl but not so on a 16". For a 16", you're much better off with a any of the Phantoms or a Vortex.

There have been tests by board members that have clearly shown (via photographs) that the Phantom and Vortex are the 2 best flash suppressors.

However, if you just want something that "looks cool" and you don't care about function then get whatever you want.

BTW, read my sig line. It says it all.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:56:34 PM EDT
Vortex M249 5.56MM NATO Flash Eliminator

Like the post above, no need to time, just screw it on and go...
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:56:49 PM EDT
An A2 or the Phantom with closed bottom should need to be timed correct?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:58:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfpak:
I've noticed when looking at the suppressors there is an option to get the peel or crush washer. Which one do I get? Whats the difference?



Makes no difference functionally. The benefit of peel washers is they are reusable. The downside of peel washers is that it is a pain in the @$$ assembling, disassembling, removing a layer of the washer, reassembling, disassembling, etc., until the supressor is timed properly.

The crush washer is easy. Put it on, torque the flash hider until it is aligned properly, and you are done. For the $2.50 cost of a new crush washer , the re-usableness of the peel washer is of very little practical benefit.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:01:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
A2 birdcage. Looks cool. I just bought a replacement for my post-ban Bushmaster AK Shorty. Stay away from the AK-style brake. It is miserable to be around...very loud. I replaced my AK Shorty A2 upper with an A3 16" with a birdcage flash hider. Looks great and is not near as loud.

You know, you can purchase a flash suppressor that "looks cool" and suppresses almost all of the flash. For a 16" rifle, the A2 flash suppressor ain't it. It will work well on a 20" bbl but not so on a 16". For a 16", you're much better off with a any of the Phantoms or a Vortex.

There have been tests by board members that have clearly shown (via photographs) that the Phantom and Vortex are the 2 best flash suppressors.

However, if you just want something that "looks cool" and you don't care about function then get whatever you want.

BTW, read my sig line. It says it all.



Funny, I don't see the Vortex or the Phantom specified in the Mil-Spec... Apparently, the professionals do not agree with you. 'Nuff Said.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:02:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jollyroger:
I like my Phantom 5C2. It does a lot better job supressing the flash in the dark than the A2 or naked muzzle. However the "best" for flash supressors is the Vortex. Plus both the Phantom and Vortex look sweet to boot.



+1
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:03:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfpak:
An A2 or the Phantom with closed bottom should need to be timed correct?



Yes, and you will need a crush washer. But dont get too worked up about this, its easy. Just place crush washer on threaded portion, put FS on top and crank until its lined up.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:03:51 PM EDT
Cool, thanks everybody. I'm a "function" fan more than "AR-looks" so I'm leaning towards the Phantom. It looks like a quality item and the reviews so far have been good.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:06:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
Funny, I don't see the Vortex or the Phantom specified in the Mil-Spec... Apparently, the professionals do not agree with you. 'Nuff Said.



Mil-Spec is not something that is set in stone. And Mil Spec or not the Phantom and Vortex do a much better job than an A2.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:06:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:06:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfpak:
Cool, thanks everybody. I'm a "function" fan more than "AR-looks" so I'm leaning towards the Phantom. It looks like a quality item and the reviews so far have been good.



Well...there it is. Have fun!
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:07:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfpak:
Cool, thanks everybody. I'm a "function" fan more than "AR-looks" so I'm leaning towards the Phantom. It looks like a quality item and the reviews so far have been good.



You wont be dissapointed, mine has been great.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:09:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
Vortex or Phantom, Vortex takes a BFA, Phanton has a closed front, either or



BFA?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:10:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
Funny, I don't see the Vortex or the Phantom specified in the Mil-Spec... Apparently, the professionals do not agree with you. 'Nuff Said.

The "Mil Spec" is not the gospel, not by a long shot. I don't know of any Phantoms that are currently being fielded by any of our military forces but the Vortex is.

Besides, just because the military chooses a certain piece of gear doesn't mean it's the best choice for the task at hand. To think otherwise is naive.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:12:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jollyroger:
BFA?

Blank Firing Adaptor.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:14:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
Funny, I don't see the Vortex or the Phantom specified in the Mil-Spec... Apparently, the professionals do not agree with you. 'Nuff Said.

The "Mil Spec" is not the gospel, not by a long shot. I don't know of any Phantoms that are currently being fielded by any of our military forces but the Vortex is.

Besides, just because the military chooses a certain piece of gear doesn't mean it's the best choice for the task at hand. To think otherwise is naive.



+1, basically what I tried to say up above.

Thanks for the BFA clarification Matt.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:15:03 PM EDT
BTW, more and more people are finding that the Vortex slightly helps or, at the very least, doesn't hurt accuracy. Off of the top of my head, it has something to do with the way the the Vortex "swirls" the gases as the round exits the barrel and dissipates them. This info is coming from people on these boards with far more experience than me.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:17:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:19:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:
Funny, I don't see the Vortex or the Phantom specified in the Mil-Spec... Apparently, the professionals do not agree with you. 'Nuff Said.

The "Mil Spec" is not the gospel, not by a long shot. I don't know of any Phantoms that are currently being fielded by any of our military forces but the Vortex is.

Besides, just because the military chooses a certain piece of gear doesn't mean it's the best choice for the task at hand. To think otherwise is naive.



They chose me, and I'm absolutely awesome!
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:20:10 PM EDT
Thanks Tweak.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:21:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 5:22:15 PM EDT by Mike_AK]
BFA? Big fat @$$?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:29:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jollyroger:
Mil-Spec is not something that is set in stone. And Mil Spec or not the Phantom and Vortex do a much better job than an A2.



Milspec is indeed set in stone.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:30:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_AK:

Originally Posted By wolfpak:
I've noticed when looking at the suppressors there is an option to get the peel or crush washer. Which one do I get? Whats the difference?



Makes no difference functionally. The benefit of peel washers is they are reusable. The downside of peel washers is that it is a pain in the @$$ assembling, disassembling, removing a layer of the washer, reassembling, disassembling, etc., until the supressor is timed properly.

The crush washer is easy. Put it on, torque the flash hider until it is aligned properly, and you are done. For the $2.50 cost of a new crush washer , the re-usableness of the peel washer is of very little practical benefit.



Crush washers can be just as big a pain in the ass as a peel washer. If your barrel and FH do not time properly and you have a crush washer you may find yourself over torquing the FH to get it lined up. In this instance you would need to grind the crush washer.

Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:40:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sp0rk:

Originally Posted By jollyroger:
Mil-Spec is not something that is set in stone. And Mil Spec or not the Phantom and Vortex do a much better job than an A2.



Milspec is indeed set in stone.



Sure, the point is the Phantom and Vortex are better at flash supressing than an A2. Also I would imagine that if one of our guys in the sandbox wanted to use a Phantom they would find a way to use the Phantom.
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