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Posted: 10/30/2003 7:57:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2004 9:21:38 AM EDT by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 10/30/2003 8:21:07 PM EDT
HOW MUCH???????? Looks fantastic by the way!
Link Posted: 10/30/2003 8:28:05 PM EDT
very nice...
Link Posted: 10/30/2003 8:35:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/31/2003 4:25:36 AM EDT by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 10/30/2003 8:38:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:11:49 AM EDT
Looks nice but how does it shoot. Is that front sight not pinned/bolted in in your pictures? What is the balance like with the MSS stock?
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:22:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:27:49 AM EDT
what did you use for barrel dimensions? behind gas block? dia.? infront of gas block dia? (I assume length is 18"). thanks
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:42:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:55:15 AM EDT
very slick. looks like nice quality work.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 5:57:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: I'm taking it to the range tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out. In the close-ups, it's not bolted together. Those pics came from Steve @ [url=www.adcofirearms.com]Adco[/url]. I'm very happy with the balance. The bipod throws it off, but without it, shooting offhand should be a breeze. I'm anxious to lose a little weight in the scope mounting, but other than that, it's excellent.
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Are you taking it out to Adams, if so let me know and I'll bring mine and we can shoot together.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 6:00:14 AM EDT
I may have to take mine over to him and have him chop the barrel to 18 and do the brake. It looks great!!!
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 6:07:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/31/2003 6:15:23 AM EDT by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 6:08:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 6:19:50 AM EDT
I just checked out Adco's webpage. They have really gotten busy since ownership changed hands a year or so ago. The guy doing Adco's machining is a fella named Rick Schuster. I meet him at the local rifle range about 1-1/2 ago before the SPR craze really took off. He had made several really nice free float tubes for some of the Match Gun guys in our club's, high power club and some really nice adjustable sight towers for the AR's. I have been to his shop and he is very well equipped and is bascially a one man operation, at least he was then. He was selling his sight towers to Brownells and at Camp Perry. I was initally talking to him about making some Pictinny rails to add to an inexpensive Carbon Fiber free float tube. And He suggested making the entire tube from aluminum. We never got together on it, I think I bought my first SPR Tube at a gunshow, and then soon after that got the real SPR tube. Rick does excellent work. Adco's has always been my favorite gun store in town. They really are't your typical hunter oriented gunstore, it has always had a more tactical, LE flavor. It was orginally owned by a retired Police Officer. Now a young fellow named Steve has taken it over and really kicked it up quite a few notches!!!! Prices are really reasonable.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 6:40:34 AM EDT
Hey Rick, I haven't shot it with the Fake Can yet, been real busy with school, but without it, shooting the 75grain Black Hills Adco has, (only place around I've found it) it shoots a 1/2 to 3/4 inch at 200yds when I can do my part. The first month I got it back from my gunsmith I shoot allot and was getting reall good with it. I don't think I've shootit in 4 months now. Got to remedy that!! It really doesnt like anything much under 65 grains. It's really opens up with 55 grainers.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:19:29 AM EDT
That looks great man. Where at in Ohio are you guys from? I live outside Youngstown and am always lookin to shoot with other AR' guys.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:24:39 AM EDT
Toledo
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:33:17 AM EDT
I go to YSU, Im guessin you go to Toledo. We don't have "tactical" gun stores around here, is it worth the drive to ADCO?
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:59:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/31/2003 7:45:05 PM EDT by HKocher]
Looks great! I have a very similar setup.
Originally Posted By TheRicker: I'm going to have Steve bead-blast the barrel. He asked if I wanted it coated black, but I like the SS look with the natural carbon on the PRI tube. I just want to subdue it a little.
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I went the same way with my SPR clone (from ArmyINF/Lane St. John). I had the bbl blasted, and was going to have it K-Coated, but after seeing the contrast of the OPS brake and blasted CLE bbl, I had to leave it that way. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=13382[/img]
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:02:18 AM EDT
I goto Owens Community College and yes Adco is worth the the visit if your going to buy something, if your just going to look, there isn't allot in the showroom, but he can get most anything you want quickly.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:13:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: I'm going to try to get it on paper at Adams tonight, if I can leave early enough. Stupid, time-change...gets dark too early now. Dave, I'd love to see your SPR with the fake can. Looks nice in your pics. How's it shoot? Tomorrow, I'm heading to Lima for the precision shooters get-together. Check out the link in The Armory forum. [url]http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=171615[/url]
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wow.. I'd like to try that!
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:23:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:25:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:30:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/31/2003 9:38:07 AM EDT by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:40:26 AM EDT
What time might you make it to Adams? I would enjoy meeting a fellow local arfcommer and witnessing the baptism!
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:41:53 AM EDT
"Nice! Can I bump fire it? I'll bring my own Wolf." IS THAT SOME KIND OF SICK JOKE!? This looks like a high end rifle, Wolf need not apply. EXCELLENT RIFLE That is impressive work on the brake/collar.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 10:16:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 4:27:34 PM EDT
how much for just the break, can the brake be machined so you have external threads let me know thanks
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:26:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:14:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2003 4:53:39 AM EDT by IPSC_GUY]
Ya Know I doubt if he ever made them in Stainless steel either but I could be wrong. There is a class 3 dealer here in NC that had them ( stainelss brakes and collars)on his table at the Fayetville show saying they were OPS brakes. The things that make ya go hummmmmmmmmmmm. Personally I am going with the Troy industries brake and collar with thread protector because 1. it is affordable and 2. You can actuly get them and 3. eventually I will get one of their REAL suppresors and not just sit around dreaming of an OPS. IPSC_GUY sends
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:28:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By IPSC_GUY: Ya Know I doubt if he ever made them in Stainless steel either but I could be wrong. There is a class 3 dealer here in NC that had them ( stainelss brakes and collars)on his table at the Fayetville show saying they were OPS brakes. IPSC_GUY sends
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Mine is the real thing and it is coated, but I believe it is stainless under the coating. And the 4-port OPS brakes for sale on Brownells are stainless, so I'm sure those are the real deal.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 8:30:26 PM EDT
I'm sure it's changed just enough as not to be an infringment. It is only an infringement if its an exact copy.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 1:00:06 AM EDT
TheRicker, My name is John and I live here in Sylvania, Ohio and I can almost throw a rock at ADCO. Well, okay, maybe I can't throw it....Anyway, I'm just about to buy an RRA AR from Steve, but I haven't been able to find a rifle range around here. Wife demands that I at least have a place to shoot it. I also have a .308 that's just collecting dust. I'm hoping you can clear up a few things. I was told that Adams only had trap and skeet ranges and Steve actually told me that there was a 6 month waiting period just to be able to join there anyway. Another guy said that he thought they had public rifle range shooting on Sundays. Is any of this correct? I would greatly appreciate answers as no one EVER answers the phone at Adams. I am desperate to find a place to shoot and local guys to shoot with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -John jnolan4@intellpros.com
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 4:41:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2003 4:46:35 AM EDT by davkenrem]
John, do you know where Adams is? Drive by and look for a black or a red pickup truck out in front of the club house most afternoons. The owner is the a fellow named Ike Cottrell or his wife Cindy. She is the secretary and he is the treasurer. They are usually there most afternoons. They can give you the low down on the waiting list if it still exist. I will email their phone numbers off line.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 5:41:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 5:54:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: It's right around 18" OAL. Profile is .82" stepped down to .75", then to .72". Surprisingly light.
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Can you weigh it without the scope? I would love to know what "surprisingly light" actually measures at. Thanks
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 5:59:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: The barrel assy alone, with PRI sight, brake and collar, ....
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Is the collar itself the gas block with the gastube going through the PRI sight?
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 6:52:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: It's right around 18" OAL. Profile is .82" stepped down to .75", then to .72". Surprisingly light.
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Great minds think alike, as I had CLE do mine 0.85 / 0.75 / 0.73 [;)]. I never weighed it, but it is way lighter than my 20" KAC SR15 Match.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 6:59:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 8:26:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 9:35:55 AM EDT
Since the threaded ring does not come off, it is different enough that it most likely isn't a patent infringment. If he was making exact copies from an original that would surely be an infringment. I wonder is Wes, concerned about missed sales or Mr. Seeberger's rights? Engage Protective Flame Suit!!!
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 10:34:22 AM EDT
I don't see how it would hurt Wes's sales. He's outta the real deal, and Phil isn't letting anymore out for a while. He's still trying to get caught up with all of the orders he has. -Cap'n
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 10:58:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By davkenrem: Since the threaded ring does not come off, it is different enough that it most likely isn't a patent infringment. If he was making exact copies from an original that would surely be an infringment. I wonder is Wes, concerned about missed sales or Mr. Seeberger's rights?
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Thanks for posting that, so I don't have to. Seems petty to me. Do you think that if TheRicker had bought everything but the brake from MSTN & gave them free publicity, Wes would still feel compelled to stomp this post? Why not take this private? Wes has a lot of respect around here, and rightly so. He's lost a little of my respect as a result of this thread, for what it matters. Either way, sweet rig - Nice job TheRicker, ADCO and Schuster Mfg. If I ever get some money saved up, I want to build an SPR very similar to this one, complete with a 'Fake Brake'. [:)]
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 11:02:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2004 12:40:00 PM EDT by bigbore]
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 11:08:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2003 11:10:40 AM EDT by HKocher]
I don't think you guys are reading Wes correctly on this one. Capn_Crunch is right, Wes probably doesn't even sell many of the 2-port brakes. It doesn't seem like he gets many of them, and the ones he does get he sells with his uppers, not as a separate piece. Trust me, I had to pay a premium to get the real thing second hand (since I couldn't afford an MSTN build), and I figure mine originally came off an upper assembled by Wes. However the owner was willing to 'part out' with the brake and collar. So I don't think Wes is trying to protect his bottom line, I just figure he is trying to protect his suppliers. No offense to Adco or to anyone that would buy one of their clone brakes, but one could view it as a bit underhanded to copy such a unique design. Personally I don't really look at it that way, but I didn't design the thing. Considering how hard it is to get the OPS 2-port brake, I figure it was bound to happen. FWIW, the Adco build does look great, even if it is a copy.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 11:20:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2003 12:23:47 PM EDT by bigbore]
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 1:45:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2003 1:48:02 PM EDT by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 2:17:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2003 2:21:53 PM EDT by davkenrem]
One last thing on the cloning of Seeberger parts, Here are two quotes from my thread on a fake suppressor:
Originally Posted By MSTN: THE GUY THAT BUILDS THE SPR'S FOR CRANE MAKES A PERFECT COPY OF THE SPR SUPPRESSOR ALREADY. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AT - WES@MSTN.BIZ FOR HIS NUMBER. WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL]
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Originally Posted By MSTN: THEY ARE NOT CHEAP, BUT THEY ARE IDENTICAL IN APPEARANCE, EXTERNAL FINISH, ETC. JUST UNDER $200, AS I RECALL. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AND I'LL PASS ON HIS NUMBER. HE DOES NOT CARE TO HAVE IT PUBLISHED, BTW. WES
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This was after I posed about a board member making me a copy for $45.00. No complaining about infringment here, granted it isn't a working suppressor, but it is a copy, one that Wes was willing broker. but the brake that Adco has isn't a fully functional copy either. Can you say duplicitous? [img]http://davkenrem.net/tsprcan1.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 2:47:01 PM EDT
Well, fucking whatever. I shot the thing today, and we were banging 300 yard headshots like a 5.56 jackhammer. Is it the same as a true SPR? Probably not...but it's solid, accurate, and does what it was intended to do.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 2:52:55 PM EDT
You went to the Lima SHootout eeh, and the Adco Spr shoot great? What ammo were you using?
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