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Posted: 10/3/2003 4:48:12 PM EDT
Hey guys. I know its gonna be mostly personal preference, but I was wondering how far forward on the rails (I use a KAC M4 RAS) you guys mount your vertical foregrips. I have a Bushy M4gerie. Right now I have my grip very near the back of the rails, near the magazine.
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 5:04:49 PM EDT
So far to the rear I am having custom rail covers cut to cover the small gap behind my M900.
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 5:53:14 PM EDT
Close to the mag well. Not the best for control but swings faster up close. Plus, reminds me of my vertical grip first love, the MP5K. :-) Ashley [url]www.danieldefense.com[/url]
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 6:07:31 PM EDT
If your using a proper stock in chest and elbows down CQB hold I cant see how you can have more control with the grip more forward. If it was at the front of the rail my arm would be striaght out in front of me with no bend at all.
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 6:32:12 PM EDT
Devl, I perceive less muzzle-rise with a forward mounted grip. On second read, my use of the word "control" was a poor choice. Ashley [url]www.danieldefense.com[/url]
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 6:57:16 PM EDT
So far rearward that I question why I bought the grip. I should just grab the magwell.
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 7:57:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunbert: So far rearward that I question why I bought the grip. I should just grab the magwell.
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Id say the samething but it wouldnt allow me the same natural interaction with my flashlight that I have with my VFG. Heres where mine is: [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=24926&iGalleryUnq=235&iImageUnq=12668[/img]
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 8:10:17 PM EDT
Hey Lumpy who did your custom rail cover cut?
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 8:12:04 PM EDT
Me A hacksaw, a Dremel tool to smooth it and some 1000 grit to make it look pretty.
Link Posted: 10/3/2003 10:49:38 PM EDT
What Lumpy said, I've done basically the same on multiple panels. I like the rearmost position as well, it gives you the most control of the system and you don't over extend. Actually you might try shooting with your hand wrapped around the mag well, that's a very viable alternative for those that don't like the forward grip.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 12:48:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2003 12:49:37 AM EDT by SMGLee]
I too like mounting my forward grip a little rear of the middle rail section. this is all perference. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/m4mre-1.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 4:08:00 AM EDT
Pretty far to the rear over here.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 4:26:10 AM EDT
I like mine as close to the weapons center of balance as possible without interfering with mag changes. [img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/061255-big.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 5:15:51 AM EDT
God i love those airsoft rifles.....UNDERDOG
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 5:52:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2003 5:53:28 AM EDT by FlyNavy]
I don't feel the need to cover every square inch of unused rail with panels. I never put anything up top. It sure does look smooth though. Very custom and I suppose it does offer some protection. Do you guys cover the bottoms to protect your hands from heat if you grab the forearm instead of the grip? That aluminum does get pretty hot, especially when you dump the heatshield. And for the topic: 3/4 aft is a good balance for me. My suggestion would be to find your CG with a full mag and go with what handles best. You'd have to have a lot of gizmos up front to bring the CG fore of that heavy mag. I think thats why most prefer it so far aft. Some full auto dudes control muzzle rise better with a longer fulcrum (forward mounting). Test it, train it, love it.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 5:53:48 AM EDT
I think you have to test what works best for you, your body size, shooting style, likely shooting positions, etc. One rule however, not too close as to interfer with changing magazines--in ANY POSITION.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 7:16:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 8:50:14 AM EDT
I'd agree with Coldblue here as well. Guess mine goes somewhere between Wes and Chen and I run the stock pretty short in addition. The foregrip, though not up against the magwell feels like it's in close with my build for good balance. Horik
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 12:49:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2003 12:52:09 PM EDT by bsbg]
Towards the rear, with the stock in 1 notch: [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=17815[/img] With M900 a little farther back so the turbo head fits: [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=17816[/img]
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 2:21:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FlyNavy: I don't feel the need to cover every square inch of unused rail with panels.
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I have very large hands. When covering a target for any length of time (not a particular concern in military circles), I noticed the rear of the picatinny rail on the RAS would sit lightly at an exact point on top my thumb thats used as a nerve compliance pressure point. Just enough to be annoying with the gun up on target for any length of time, even with gloves on. Therefore, you have my "cute" little one space custom panel [:D]. The top cover has since been removed on Coldblue's recommendation for added cooling.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 9:13:29 PM EDT
I didn't doubt your system had a purpose Lumpy! If my rails start bugging me, I'll do the same. So far, so good though. Thats why a modular system is so nice. OPTIONS for the individual.
Link Posted: 10/4/2003 9:18:09 PM EDT
Just splaining what has been called my "cute little" RAS panel [;)]
Link Posted: 10/6/2003 9:25:06 AM EDT
When shooting a carbine I just think of it as a big pistol and hold it accordingly. My left hand grips around the magwell. I don't use a forward grip.
Link Posted: 10/6/2003 1:28:52 PM EDT
Here's another version... [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/p65eaaa9a204545b239d9d4f794274f13/fae4d446.jpg.orig.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/6/2003 1:34:56 PM EDT
Let's try again... [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/p65eaaa9a204545b239d9d4f794274f13/fae4d446.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 12:34:31 AM EDT
I'm medium sized and the best balance for me is dead smack in the center of the HG rail.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 4:37:28 AM EDT
So as not to hijack this thread, I have started a new one concerning the panel on the top of a RAS. [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=171526]Please chime in and offer you opinions.[/url]
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 5:49:06 AM EDT
I don't have a Vert Grip yet, but as I hold my rifle at the magwell, going to figure it would be pretty far in. My .015 [;)]
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 5:55:14 AM EDT
I've been playing with where the grip feels best. So far, I like the grip to the rear best. It seems to control better for me. Now, only a week and a couple days 'till Tango Down is available to civilian sales.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 10:04:05 AM EDT
Best reason to have it to the rear. Pivot hard to the right to engage a target on that side. Not comfortable or natural at all with the grip forward. Getting off a square range helps you find these things out.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 10:10:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger: I was wondering how far forward on the rails (I use a KAC M4 RAS) you guys mount your vertical foregrips.
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Far enough to allow the upper to rock forward, to be able to reload. [;)]
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 10:44:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By notack: Far enough to allow the upper to rock forward, to be able to reload. [;)]
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How truly sad! [>Q]
Link Posted: 10/8/2003 8:23:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2003 8:24:26 AM EDT by thelastgunslinger]
I much appreciate all the feedback guys. I have played around with a cheap VFG that I bought just until the TangoDown becomes available, and have found that pretty much all the way back works well for me. Thanks
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