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Posted: 9/11/2003 10:25:14 AM EDT
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I think it is an idea best forgotten.
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Posted: 9/11/2003 12:21:32 PM EDT
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Why is that?
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Posted: 9/11/2003 1:20:38 PM EDT
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I think Alan Zitta did this at one time. Yeah it works but I think the design of the trigger (long fulcrum- huge trigger guard )makes inadvertant firing a strong possibility if brush enters the trigger guard while in the woods with the safety off.
I don't know why an electronic trigger hasn't been made yet (unless that is not legal). An electronic trigger actuator would make more sense to me. |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 3:19:15 PM EDT
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GreenO a solenoid trigger is apparently not legal or so I've heard hear a few years ago :( IMBW
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Posted: 9/11/2003 5:49:14 PM EDT
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There is a trigger out that has one trigger but it fires both when you pull it and when you release it. I am assuming this is something different.
What I would like to see is a trigger that uses a full auto selector and has a redualr triger in semi auto and the double trigger function on the full auto setting. I would buy that in a split second, what do you all think? |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 11:01:13 PM EDT
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There auctualy is a trigger like that. It has a crisp, 5 pound pull for single shot, and the second stage is 8 pounds for full auto. The url for the trigger is http://www.zianet.com/tsoper/wizzd.html
have fun! It sounds like it is not illegal to install this trigger on an ar15 as long as the gun is not capable of full auto! |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 11:25:10 PM EDT
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I think its a bad idea to try to mechanically replicate near full-auto fire.
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Posted: 9/12/2003 12:44:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: GreenO a solenoid trigger is apparently not legal or so I've heard hear a few years ago :( IMBW Well, I don't know about a solenoid type system, but I do know Remington makes a Model 700 with an electronic fire control system. No hammer or firing pin, it ignites the primer electrically. |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 8:28:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think its a bad idea to try to mechanically replicate near full-auto fire. Why is that? The double trigger I was speaking about was deemed legal by the ATF because the rifle cannot "Fire more than once from a single trigger pull" and the double trigger does not. Therefore it is not considered a machinegun. It fires once with each trigger pull and once when it is released. This effectively doubles the speed at which you can put rounds down range from 240 to 480. Or were you more concerned with an issue of ammunition conservation? |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 9:20:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevL (and modified by me for clarity): What I would like to see is a trigger that uses a [red] 3 position (safe, single, double)[/red] selector and has a [blue]regular trigger (semi auto) on 'fire setting 1' and the double trigger function (one round fired on squeeze, one round fired on release of trigger) on the second 'fire'[/blue] setting. I would buy that in a split second, what do you all think? That would be way cool!!! I would buy that ina second too. |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 9:35:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: There auctualy is a trigger like that. It has a crisp, 5 pound pull for single shot, and the second stage is 8 pounds for full auto. The url for the trigger is http://www.zianet.com/tsoper/wizzd.html have fun! It sounds like it is not illegal to install this trigger on an ar15 as long as the gun is not capable of full auto! I took a look at this trigger on that site, it clearly states that this trigger is for select fire guns. I don't know how you get this part where you say "as long as the gun is not capable of full auto" as the trigger was specifically made for select fire guns. Turby |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 11:50:33 AM EDT
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When I said that it could be installed on a semi auto ar15, I meant that it is legal to do this. I did not mean that it would legaly convert a ar15 to full auto. I am not worried that the enlongated trigger guard increasing the chance for acidental shots being fired, when I build my ar-15 it will be for home defense, not IPSC style competition or ambushing the Taliban. I have a few houseplants, but not enough to worry about. Thanks for the input guys! Does anyone know of a gunsmith that would do a trigger like this?
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Posted: 9/12/2003 6:51:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By DevL (and modified by me for clarity): What I would like to see is a trigger that uses a [red] 3 position (safe, single, double)[/red] selector and has a [blue]regular trigger (semi auto) on 'fire setting 1' and the double trigger function (one round fired on squeeze, one round fired on release of trigger) on the second 'fire'[/blue] setting. I would buy that in a split second, what do you all think? That would be way cool!!! I would buy that ina second too. Seems to me that that would be an unregistered MG. Remember one shot per trigger pull (the release is part of the pull, to allow the hammer to reset). |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 7:20:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: GreenO a solenoid trigger is apparently not legal or so I've heard hear a few years ago :( IMBW Well, I don't know about a solenoid type system, but I do know Remington makes a Model 700 with an electronic fire control system. No hammer or firing pin, it ignites the primer electrically. Signal, you are correct, but don't forget that the Remmy700 is a bolt action gun, not a semi, which excludes it from a lot of the crappy legislation. Not to say that Ariel is wrong or right, just that using the Remmy as an examply seems kind of apples-oranges. YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/12/2003 8:31:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By DevL (and modified by me for clarity): What I would like to see is a trigger that uses a [red] 3 position (safe, single, double)[/red] selector and has a [blue]regular trigger (semi auto) on 'fire setting 1' and the double trigger function (one round fired on squeeze, one round fired on release of trigger) on the second 'fire'[/blue] setting. I would buy that in a split second, what do you all think? That would be way cool!!! I would buy that ina second too. Seems to me that that would be an unregistered MG. Remember one shot per trigger pull (the release is part of the pull, to allow the hammer to reset). I'm pretty sure that I have seen a product like that which is legal, but it was an external accessory. If I remember correctly, it was given approval by the BATF, but I can't be sure. I think they got around the MG part because the wording of the law states something like one shot per deliberate motion of the trigger. I'd try to look it up, but it was a couple of years ago and I have no idea where to start. Of course, I could be completely wrong. If it is legal, then it would be cool. |
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