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Posted: 7/30/2003 5:46:36 AM EDT
I want to build an accurate AR for informal (meaning non-competition) target shooting and possibly, some shall game hunting.  I do not plan to shoot any bullets lighter than 55 grains.  I do plan to shoot some M855 and match ammo up to 69-grains with it.  

Please critique my planned setup:

Lower (already built, but still feel free to critique):
Rock River lower
Rock River parts kit
Jewell 2-stage trigger
G27 grip
RRA A2 stock

Upper (haven’t yet ordered this):
Bushmaster A3 upper (with bolt and carrier)
20” flutted, chrome-lined barrel with milled front sight (i.e. not sight tower)
5.56 NATO chamber; 1:9 twist
BM Varminter tubular vented free-float forend
ARMS 22 QD scope rings
Leupold Vari-X II 3x9x40 (I want to use this initially because I have one I’m not using)

I figure I can add a Harris bi-pod to the swivel stub on the forend.  What are your thoughts?  Specifically, am I choosing the right twist (1:9) and barrel (NATO chamber, chrome-lined) for my intended uses?  What about the free-float tube?  I was looking at rail systems, but don’t think I’d really use the rails on this rifle.
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 5:51:01 AM EDT
[#1]
sounds good to me!
free float is the way to go.
[:)]
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 7:55:17 AM EDT
[#2]
informal target shooting and varmint hunting = accuracy in my book.  go with a SS bbl instead of chrome-lined and keep after the cleaning.
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 7:59:21 AM EDT
[#3]
Nice setup the twist rate should be fine but 1/8 is even better ---it is only availible on target barrels and not really availible from Bushmaster except maybe in their DCM barrel.

(two comments from the peanut gallery)

1 If you are using this for target shooting and small game hunting and want to optimize you will probably achieve better accuracy out of a SS RRA, Les Baer or Krieger barrel.

2 If you changed the FF forend to a KAC FF RAS and added a RAS mounted KAC backup sight your chrome lined barrel would be right at home in a SPR/style gun that could do double duty target shooting- small game hunting and a SHTF role.


[b]Also I have to say Ive seen as many one shot kills with a .223 as I have with my .300win mag on deer (my brother hunts deer with .50grain nosler .223 and I am switching over).  Why carry a 13lb deer rifle when my 16inch carbine will kill deer at 8lbs and a lot more ergonomic? (plus they have the added benefit of being an excellent gun for still hunting where you may kick up a buck at close range and have to take a couple quick shots to bring it down.)[/b]

THE GUN IS GREAT FOR SMALL GAME BUT BY NO MEANS LIMITED TO SMALL GAME.
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 9:11:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Thanks for the comments so far.

I thought about the SS barrel, but I don’t really like the idea of a shinny barrel if I use the rifle for hunting.    Also, will RRA flute a barrel?  

I really am becoming more sold on the Varminter free-float tube.  If I go with a RRA upper I’d end up having to install the tube.  I’m not sure I’m up to the task of building an upper yet.  (Although I must admit I’ve thought a lot recently about trying it.)
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 1:53:42 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Nice setup the twist rate should be fine but 1/8 is even better ---it is only availible on target barrels and not really availible from Bushmaster except maybe in their DCM barrel.

(two comments from the peanut gallery)

1 If you are using this for target shooting and small game hunting and want to optimize you will probably achieve better accuracy out of a SS RRA, Les Baer or Krieger barrel.

2 If you changed the FF forend to a KAC FF RAS and added a RAS mounted KAC backup sight your chrome lined barrel would be right at home in a SPR/style gun that could do double duty target shooting- small game hunting and a SHTF role.


[b]Also I have to say Ive seen as many one shot kills with a .223 as I have with my .300win mag on deer (my brother hunts deer with .50grain nosler .223 and I am switching over).  Why carry a 13lb deer rifle when my 16inch carbine will kill deer at 8lbs and a lot more ergonomic? (plus they have the added benefit of being an excellent gun for still hunting where you may kick up a buck at close range and have to take a couple quick shots to bring it down.)[/b]

THE GUN IS GREAT FOR SMALL GAME BUT BY NO MEANS LIMITED TO SMALL GAME.
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13 pound bolt gun or what? All mine weigh a little over 7 pounds. most likely with a real caliber you wont have blastaway at that buck. Poor hunting caliber for big game. Poor decision to use that caliber. But you will look cool.
GG
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 2:06:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Bookhound,
  You may want to rethink the aluminum handguard.  Free-floating is the way to go, but aluminum heats up quickly exposed to the sun.  I'm in Vegas and could never go with a metal handguard, but I hear Georgia can get a little warm as well.  You might want to think about it.  Wearing an oven mitt when you go shooting is not my idea of practical.  While the PRI carbon-fiber forends are popular, I'd go with an Armalite fiberglass unit.
Link Posted: 7/30/2003 2:11:59 PM EDT
[#7]
I was going to recommend the same thing. Or if you wanted to go lighter you could go with the Hiperform Carbon fiber handguard, these handle heat very well. [url]www.hiperform.com[/url]

The Armalite unit is very nice because it is indexable.

Although, this would require some smithing on your part or a little extra expense.
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 3:25:32 AM EDT
[#8]
Those are some good thoughts on heat.  I was hoping the vent holes would be enough.  Never thought about heat just from the sun.
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 5:20:05 AM EDT
[#9]
Okay, from the advice given, I think I might go with a RRA Varminter upper for now.  It is a 1:8 twist, 20” SS Wilson HBAR, milled front sight base and a .223 Wylde chamber.  It also has an aluminum FF hand guard.  I might go with that for now and switch to something else later if heat is an issue.  The best news is that the upper I wanted from BM was $655 (with a 4-6 week wait).  Pete in NH has these uppers now for $480.  Sounds like a deal to me.  

Thanks for all your input so far.  Any thoughts on this RRA upper?
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 8:55:38 AM EDT
[#10]
That looks good. For what it's worth, I recently got an Oly 16" Stainless Ultra Match (SUM) that is darned accurate and parkerized so there is no 'flash' to worry about. They also make 20" & 24".

Match your twist rate to the ammo you will use.. that is paramount for maximum accuracy. I specified 1:9" twist and a .223 (not 5.56) chamber, because I will only be shooting lighter .223 hunting type ammo in that upper.

I have a Colt Competition Hbar Match that will shoot the heavier stuff into sub 1/2 MOA. Of course it weighs about 12 or 14 pounds!
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 12:34:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Bookhound, here is a link to a 20" bushy on sale at Go Go Varmint Go.com... looks like a really good price. Just in case you are interested.www.varminthunters.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=7979&query=retrieval

Link Posted: 7/31/2003 2:31:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks much.  I'll check it out.
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 4:09:16 PM EDT
[#13]
I live in TX and have a DPMS 24" 1/8, and a DPMS Free Float Tube on a Colt Match Target Comp HBAR.  Very HOT HOT HOT!!!  Go with the armalite fiberglass or whatever tube. But get the 1/8 Barrel  I am pumping a 69gr HPBT Bullet to 1k yards with this and it works! Just caint touch the barrel after 3 shots! :)
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 4:39:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Regarding your concerns with the reflective quality of the stainless barrel...I had the same thoughts regarding the ss barrel on my M1A National match. So to take care of this I taped off the receiver and flash hider (and other applicable such parts) and had a friend sand blast the entire barrel to a dull flat gray finish that is completely non reflective.
Link Posted: 7/31/2003 6:13:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Regarding your concerns with the reflective quality of the stainless barrel...I had the same thoughts regarding the ss barrel on my M1A National match. So to take care of this I taped off the receiver and flash hider (and other applicable such parts) and had a friend sand blast the entire barrel to a dull flat gray finish that is completely non reflective.
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Now this is a COOL idea.

BTW, welcome to the board.  Good to hear from ya.
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