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Posted: 6/4/2003 6:38:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 7:47:30 AM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 7:24:10 PM EDT
Any word on rifle length AR10 SIRs? Thanks.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 7:28:56 PM EDT
Wes, Sweet! That's in my future plans. If possible, can you post some pics? Mark
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 7:47:40 PM EDT
I'm really thinking of an SIR for my AR10 if they come out with a rifle length for the AR10. The chrome lined barrel is accurate enough with a non-freefloated barrel. The SIR would likely give me the benefits of the a more ordinary freefloat tube plus the added versatility the SIR offers. Ofcourse, I wouldn't mind one for my 20 inch Bushmaster as well.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 7:50:45 PM EDT
Sweet, that is exactly what I have been waiting for!!! Expect an order from me in the near future. Looking forward to pics!
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 6:08:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 9:24:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:13:56 AM EDT
BADA$$!!!
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:14:16 AM EDT
Veeeery niiiiice! Veeeery niiiiice, indeed! *********** Regarding that OPS brake + suppressor alignment ring: did you have to shorten the bbl. to get the ring to sit flush w/ the front sight? I've noticed on M4 varieties that the ring sits in front of the bbl. cut-out (to make room for the M203 mounting bracket). For the M4/CAR, does OPS also make a can that would/could mount further back to sit flush w/ the end of the front sight, sans M203? As well, does Seaberger (sp?) have any plans to move operations to another state so he can sell to civi's?
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:28:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:51:03 AM EDT
Wes, what would be the price of the SPR upper as configured in the pic? -Cap'n
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:26:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:58:25 PM EDT
IM received, and reply is en route! [whacko] -Cap'n
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:04:47 PM EDT
Now [b]that[/b] is kick ass! It's amazing ARMS kept the price the same as their carbine length systems. Now I know what my next project will be [;)] Oh BTW Wes, don't worry about the pics. They look nice as is.
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 5:13:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2003 5:19:06 AM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 6:24:00 AM EDT
OMG - I NEED ONE BADLY WHEN WILL THIS ADDICTION EVER END....... SUCKS BEING HOUSE POOR
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 8:54:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2003 8:55:46 AM EDT by M4A2_L073754]
Originally Posted By FALbert: OMG - I NEED ONE BADLY WHEN WILL THIS [s]ADDICTION[/s][red]hard on[/red] EVER END....... SUCKS BEING [s]HOUSE POOR[/s] [red]in Finland[/red]
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[;)] MN
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 12:12:46 PM EDT
Also curious of the price on the upper as configured with and without the S.I.R.
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 12:28:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MSTN: [IMG]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=13447[/IMG]
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Holy shit Wes, thats SWEET. And BTW, the walkway adds a whole new demension to your pics.
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 3:16:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2003 3:19:15 PM EDT by MaverickMkii]
[WOW] I must get this for my DMR project! [:D] Rifle length...free floats...user installable... Yes I'm getting one as soon as possible. [:)] Oh and by the way, what is the ARMS designation on this model? ARMS#59?
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 3:41:31 PM EDT
Wes, I see two dif colors of the lower handguard, are they dif? Jack
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 4:23:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 4:26:36 PM EDT
M4A2_L073754: Thanks for saying what I wanted to say but couldn't for fear of scaring away the children.......Muhahaha. [LOL]
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 5:03:50 PM EDT
Wes, whats a rough weight on that set up? How's the balance? I have no idea on what the SPR profile looks like under the handguards...
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 6:35:10 PM EDT
WES Can I take a NO.1 or 2 rail and put it further back towards the rear of the handguard for my bi-pod like the #50 does. What about the #3 rail? How does the foward lower alum section disenguage? Can I put a NO. 1, 2 or three rail along the sides from front to back? This thing looks awsome so would like some more info. Good shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 7:04:23 PM EDT
It may be answered, but I don't see it, Is there a rail the entire length of the lower portion, aluminum and plastic? Why don't they put rails the entire length on the sides? Mark
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 7:14:43 PM EDT
That's one of the nice features of the SIR's, you can put the rails where and when you need them, instead of having to keep track of pannels. Makes it lighter, more comfortable, and less bulky than having to hold a rail or pannel. I assume this full length is a slim line, WES? Jack
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 7:54:00 PM EDT
Anyone know the reason ARMS did'nt continue on through the lower portion of the forend with polymer instead of both that and the forward aluminum section?
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 8:20:14 PM EDT
From my experience, anytime the military can have a many common parts for weapons like the lower handguards and rails interchangable, it's the smart thing to do. Especialy for the guys in the field and logistical reasons. I can see that they may even have laser range finder devices, etc. that can be exchanged into the forend. That's the modular aspect I like about the SIR's. Maybe ARMS will give us some info, maybe not. Good shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 10:12:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdtk: That's one of the nice features of the SIR's, you can put the rails where and when you need them, instead of having to keep track of pannels. Makes it lighter, more comfortable, and less bulky than having to hold a rail or pannel. I assume this full length is a slim line, WES? Jack
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Jack, I'm pretty sure its a slimline. The reasons you stated above are why I use the SIR exclusively. The fact that I don't have to have unneeded weight from a rail that i don't need or want, that I can configure the forend rails to suit my needs, and that I can take it apart for cleaning in the field with a coin, IMO make it the best system. People complain about the ACOG height w/ the SIR, but in no way is it unusable. On my #50 gun I'm running an TA31 with the Trijicon mount, and will soon be picking up an ARMS #19s for it. I have to say that the SIR is the system from which others will be judged, as opposed to the old Knights standard. Sorry to make this so long folks, but, think about how revolutionary the Selective Rails are. This new #59 will be on my upcoming SPR, and on my "Recon Rifle" build. *sigh* Now if i just had the $$$ to build them, hehe. -Cap'n
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 10:27:28 PM EDT
It seems using #19S or TA51 over the SIR rail only raises like a quarter of inch. I was originally going to use TA31 / 19S directly on top of a rail, but after seeing this I must go with Rifle SIR. I'm getting tired of waiting for user-installable FF rifle length forends. RAS II was good but then we don't have long version of it. The new Rifle SIR looks much better than the one we saw at the SHOT show earlier this year.
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 10:35:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 10:58:25 PM EDT
It looks like something the Nazis in a sci-fi flick would use in the future. What a mean looking sob... It's like a Light MG.
Link Posted: 6/8/2003 11:09:20 PM EDT
Once I get Bushmaster makes me an M4 upper to put my #46 on, I think I might start an SPR project. Gotta sell some stuff and get the SEBR first.
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 2:32:18 AM EDT
Any info from A.R.M.S. about the AR-10 rifle length S.I.R.?!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 3:10:42 AM EDT
I realized after I typed that about the rails "selective" In my opinion, I think the longer rails should be on there(or included) to suit the user more, keeping in mind that not everyone is going to set things up like everyone else. Ok, one more- is there a rail on the polymer lower section? I'm asking to decide between the FF RAS and the #59 Thanks Mark
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 5:38:22 AM EDT
Mark According to WES, the selective rails can be installed anywhere, just like the carbine SIR rails. Your right about not everyone is going to set up the same way, and that's what I like about the SIR, I don't have to have a rail where my hand goes. Whats the sense of having a pannel over a rail you can't get rid of and where the hands go? Especially if you remove the pannel and put something on that rear portion of rail, then you can't put your hand there anymore, because the device took that spot. It looks like ARMS give the option of getting extra rails if wanted, or the price would be higher if they were all included, another option I like. I'd like to see some more detail from WES, or someone. Good Shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 7:08:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 12:47:36 PM EDT
Looking at those pics make me want to go out and buy a 20 inch HBAR! I knew this was going to happen! When does this ever end?
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 4:23:38 PM EDT
Wes, think you could make a package deal w/ the VLTOR stock and SPR upper? [peep] -Cap'n
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 4:27:16 PM EDT
Are any of the SPR barrels chrome lined? I'm trying to decide whether to cut down a 20" 1/7 Colt HBAR, or to go with an SPR barrel.
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 7:24:34 PM EDT
WES! "zeus fasteners".........are those the button type fasteners that ARMS uses to fasten the polymer lower to the upper on the carbine length #45(and I am assuming all the other model #'s)? The screw that you push in and turn halfway to lock?
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 8:03:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/9/2003 8:09:39 PM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 8:19:08 PM EDT
Attila 200 - or the other NVEC laser - name escapes me for the moment Aquila 6x NOD I have seen similar set ups although not on the ARMS upper...
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 8:24:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 8:37:18 PM EDT
Wes, but what is the ARMS gadget on the side - a round counter or another laser?
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 10:26:10 PM EDT
I dont know what it is but I can bet is fastened via those little threaded holes on the side of the #38's and SIR's everyone is always wondering about!
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 10:32:48 PM EDT
Wes, do you prefer the Crane or the VLTOR stock?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 7:12:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 3:31:21 PM EDT
Trying to make out the text on the mystery item.. ARMS Night Infrared ******* ?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 4:25:06 PM EDT
What's the flip up doohickey thing that is on the front of the SIR top rail just behind the front sight and ahead of the laser designator? I REALLY want one of these things for my AR10 damn it. Maybe one for the Bushmaster 20inch as well but time will tell, maybe if I go the SPR route if the AW ban sunsets. I think I'd actually rather have an SIR than the PRI tube.
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