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Posted: 2/22/2003 7:29:54 AM EDT
The old thread had reached page 4, Thought I would start a new one.
Rich, Any thoughts on the feedback from the experimental stock owners? How did the shot show go? When are you going to swing into full production? When will the mounts and accessory rails be ready? How much will the "upgrade fee" be for those of us that want to keep our Experimental stock be? What's the time line on Accessories? Any questions for those of us that have the experimental stock? I know you've been working your tail off getting things ready, and appreciate your attention to details. TIA Theo (who really likes this stock) |
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I did a test and eval with Rich Fitzpatrick (CEO of Magpul corp) and was impressed....
I'll be doing a review shortly...I'm in the process of moving so it will be a couple weeks before I get the review done...it will also have a lot of pics... BTW does anyone have the link to the old review that I did last year? |
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Thanks Theo, I sort of submarine for about 3 weeks after every Shot Show to catch up on orders, emails and time with my children. I have to say your set up in hard case looks awesome.
Any thoughts on the feedback from the experimental stock owners? View Quote So far I am amazed they are so positive. We literally threw the first 19 together and I expected much more in way of problems with the buffer tube installation. We are taking into account everything that is being feedback to us. Some things we have easy fixes for. Other things need to be addressed through a comprehensive user manual. Note: The Magpul manual reached 28 pages and 50+ illustrations, I dread to think what the MSS version will be like. "...could I see Volume 6 of the M93 manual?" In addition to cutting off any excess flashing we are planning to mildly tumble the parts before assembly. This not only knocks off the remaining sharp edges but also dulls the finish a little. Some of the big things we are fixing will be- 1. Adjusting tolerances all round 2. Harding the material that the body is made of and removing some of the carbon material in the buffer tube. The first batch of tubes had 30% Carbon by weight and we found that was so abrasive it was wearing down the body. The latest tubes sent out have just 20% carbon. This also reduces the weight of the unit noticeably. 3. Fixing the tail unit- As we changed materials (which shrink differently) the tail has a slight cant to it – this will be addressed as well as strengthening the plate that holds the tail on (this can be damaged through over-tightening the bolts) 4. Fixing the lock up- After extreme usage (i.e. smashing into things) the lock can sometimes get dented internally so that the cam is allowed slight movement. This doesn’t affect usage but is a simple fix to beef up that area. DevL is only one who has come across this but by the sound of it he is really beating the hell out of his. 5. Shims we now have 3 sizes of shims and we hope to include 6 in the production version. How did the shot show go? View Quote It was great, we met up with a number of AR15.comers. We were sandwiched between FN, Knights and Gemtech so we basically fed off their traffic. It was actually neat being in Orlando as a change from Las Vegas. When are you going to swing into full production? View Quote We are still going through, listing the final changes to be made on the molds. First test run of 50+ will probably be in about 30 days with quantity being produced in 60 days or so. When will the mounts and accessory rails be ready? View Quote We really want to mold the rails out of the carbon fiber material (to save on weight and have rounded edges) but the 4” rail from Falcon industries will fit you just need to get the correct bolts to screw into the hard points on the side (8/32 thread). Note: the side hard points are a push in type that needs to be primed. To do this remove the body from the buffer tube and screw in the bolt all the way, you should see a little star like metal piece pop out the other end. This piece expands the hardpoints so they a permanently fixed. How much will the "upgrade fee" be for those of us that want to keep our Experimental stock be? View Quote I don’t know yet but I will make it worth you while to keep the experimental. What's the time line on Accessories? View Quote The receiver sling mounts are the first up. We built five as a test out of Aluminum but think they really need to be made out of steel. Pinco Palla and Canadian Tactical each got one of the these. Expect the sling mounts in 2 weeks We built 10 tail strike plates for the Shot Show but they all sold too. Expect these in about 3 weeks. Any questions for those of us that have the experimental stock? View Quote Not really, I don’t want to lead you to your conclusions. Just keep feeding me information on methods to employ the unit along with issues/problems as they arise. |
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Everyday I try to do something to beat the crap out of my stock to find a weak point. Since my upper is being assembled I am using other peoples uppers to test her out. If I can ever get together with Brouhaha we will test it with his new Compact ACOG upper.
I decided to pull the stock to the preset open position where the detent is in a rapid and forceful manner 100 times to get an idea of how well the detent will hold up to abuse. About pull number 25 it popped open to the position number 7. I heard something hit the ground and pulled the tail off. The detent was destroyed as the tail portion of the detent broke off where the angled section juts out. Now I see why there was a spare included. I think it needs to be made of stronger material. In a panic people will be yanking those things open hard and fast and 25 yanks is too few to be dependable. If you took care of the stock and were somewhat delicate it would last a thousand pulls but I figured you wanted it stress tested so thats what I am doing. [:)] Also it appears you designed the buffer tube with a steel or aluminum insert in the back to prevent this very same thing from happening and I am happy to report I cant break it. Also it appears you designed the tail unit to slip on while only needing to press from the back and pull on the main latch underneath. Thats why the leading edge is angled on the two spring loaded stops and why the rear section also has the same 45 degree angle right? Well its not working. I am not sure if its tolerances or the spring is just too stiff to allow the rear capture pieces to come together. Perhaps the angle is too steep? Also if you fixed that and removed the P8 and P9 detents off the rear tube it would make getting the stock installed and into the first usable position a 2 step affair. Just lower the main latch and slide the tail piece on and youd be done. Right now its a bit of a 3 handed affair with having to hold the main latch down, press in both retaining latches (which is difficult and painfull they are so small) while collapsing the stock all at the same time. But if the P8 and P9 are needed for other stock options in the future it would not be a big deal. Just please either make the release buttons larger with a weaker spring or make the attachment not require pressing the capture buttons to install (which appears to be the intended design) Next I decided to completely disassamble the whole unit and see if I missed getting the dirt/sand out from any nooks or crannies I could not find earlier. I noticed it takes 4 different sizes of hex keys to disassemble the stock. Not real convenient but not really a problem either. What I did notice was the screws on the latch mechanism itself are NOT supposed to be removed. After mangling one of my hex keys I saw why it got mangled. RED Loctite! It was a miracle I got even one off. The place I especially wanted to look for crud buildup was inside the main latch rod/spring housing. As I expected it has no drain hole or way of cleaning it. However there was very little grime in there. The seal of the plunger its attached to keeps any large particles out. There was a minute amount of sand in there which I flushed out with some CLP. I guess this is supposed to be a maintenance free part? On a side note when I tried to reassemble my tail unit I forgot its assembled from the opposite side as all the rest of the hex screws (which is confusing) and I could not get it to torque all the way down but when I realized I was installing from the wrong side and reinstalled it afterward my tail unit is somehow now no longer canted! However I also noted the 1/16" hex screws strip with alarming ease. After reassembling my unit I noticed it was so tight it would barely operate. The small 1/16" hex screws are almost all worn where the hex key goes in. These are much more attractive than the rest of the hex screws but they are weak. I also noted that the plunger for the main latch that covers the main latch spring would bind if I did not leave the screw that holds the capture pieces loose and not tightened down. I had to tighen and loosen hex screws all over the unit to get it to finally function somewhat smoothly. It needs looser tollerances on the rails and plunger so everything can be tightened down and still slide smootly and allow the latch to operate with ease. I hope this information is going to help the final production unit. |
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I am eagerly awaiting the big test off:
Magpull MSS vs. Crane! I will be keeping a eye out. |
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After the MSS reaches its final production form I can not see how the Crane stock will have any advantages over the MSS. If it has any advantages the MSS will quickly adapt or surpass the Crane stock since its modular and the Crane is not. Even the battery carrying ability and the triangular tail piece is being copied by the MSS as future options. The only two places the Crane stock might win are cost and weight. Its destined to lose everywhere else.
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Well I am still awaiting UPS to deliver the stocks we got at SHOT [furious].
Tightest Ship in the Shipping business my ASS. They lost one of the parcels - 3 stocks and a few magpulls. No word since the 17th... The one I sent to me shoudl be here tomorrow *shipped the 15th - yeah 7 days my Ass. My buddy took one back in his luggage (well his wifes but who's counting). Should be able to do some shooting soon. Can't wait... |
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Rich - a rubber butpad like the Crane stock might be good too
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The stock went over well at the last [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=10&t=167617]FDCC shoot[/url]. Raised a lot of eye brows and drew a lot of questions. It was my first time out shooting with it. It is as solid as it seems. Folks are right though. The retaining buttons are hard to work. Too small and stiff. I've had trouble using them to show others how it works and it makes me look dumber than usual! Opening and closing the stock is becoming much easier. I dont think it's so much that it was ever hard, just different than what we're used to. I can see the little tabs breaking, they do appear to be made of pretty fragile stuff. The set of parts that lock the buffer tube on to the receiver bugs me a little. Just seems like small parts and small parts scare me. To be truthful, because you can use so many different stocks with just the one buffer tube, I suppose I really dont see a need to ever have to bother with them, but if there was a way to make it a single piece, I think that would be a good idea. If not, and if thats what it takes to have it as strong and solid as it seems, no complaints here. Anything that can be lighter while remaining reasonably tough and rugged is GREAT! GREAT! GREAT! While I still want and prefer black, it was good to see you experimenting with olive and tan at the shot show. I'm sure that will be a plus for some. I really, really like this thing. I will get a crane stock when it's released, but I dont see how I could prefer it to the MSS. The crane seems to be the same old thing in a slightly different package with a different shape. It may be an improvement over what we see now, but the MSS is a completely new, and novel system. From one end to the other, it is taking a new approach to what a stock can be and what you can make it do. Looking forward to more options and improvements! |
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Lighter isn't always better. Sometimes it is better to have a properly balanced (heavier) rifle then a unbalanced lighter one.
I don't have that big of an issue opening the stock to my preset, but closing can be tricky. Pulling back on the release, and pushing forward is aquard. Obviously, this isn't a critical function that requires speed. I've found pulling the stock into my shoulder while pressing the release to be the easiest. I don't know how the issue could be resolved. The butt plate is definately too aggressive for anyone not using body armour. I'd welcome a rubber butt plate. Not a cheap slip on one, but something made for this stock. I've done some hiking with my AR (as usual) with this stock attatched. I like the balance of the unit. I've compared the crane to the MSS M93, and it's no contest. Newarguy, that picture is BAD ASS! -Steve |
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Quoted: I did a test and eval with Rich Fitzpatrick (CEO of Magpul corp) and was impressed.... I'll be doing a review shortly...I'm in the process of moving so it will be a couple weeks before I get the review done...it will also have a lot of pics... BTW does anyone have the link to the old review that I did last year? View Quote Yes. Its on the Colorado site where its always been. [lol] Let me know when to post the new pics! [url]http://groups.msn.com/ColoradoAR15ShootersSite/magpulmss.msnw[/url] |
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Neil, that set up is so cool looking it makes me wanna get a TA31 instead of a TA11 and sell my FF RAS to buy a SIR. The only thing I notice is you have to hold your head up and your cheek is not solidly squished into the stock like I prefer. I wish the rails on the SIR were lower or that there was a mount which could reduce the height of the ACOG. That just looks your not getting the full benefit of the cheek weld the M93 offers. Have you tried a TA31 mounted directly to the reciever before? Do you like that better?
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The detent was destroyed as the tail portion of the detent broke off where the angled section juts out. Now I see why there was a spare included View Quote The preset clips included should be considered semi disposable. They are made of pretty strong stuff (30% Carbon filled Nylon 66) but will not take a repeated beating by the metal preset clip in the body. We used the same clip which didn’t break for all the demos during the Shot Show and we weren’t babying it either. We do have a design for a metal clip held in place by an allen nut but thought we would include the clips as a cheap preset option with the stock. I figured you wanted it stress tested so thats what I am doing. View Quote You Bet, DevL keep it up. Thats why the leading edge is angled on the two spring loaded stops and why the rear section also has the same 45 degree angle right? Well its not working. View Quote Yep, I wanted it to clip into place like installing a Glock slide. It was working great until we took out all the tolerances as a test. After we anodized the clips they were so much bigger they dragged on the buffer- That’s why they are all shiny on the top where we had to take off some material. That is one of the things we will fix, the body will slide onto the buffer as you describe. I forgot its assembled from the opposite side as all the rest of the hex screws (which is confusing) View Quote Yes but it is was designed that way to spread load the strength to the bolts As I expected it has no drain hole or way of cleaning it. However there was very little grime in there. The seal of the plunger its attached to keeps any large particles out. View Quote We thought adding a drain hole would just give another way of grim to get in. I also noted that the plunger for the main latch that covers the main latch spring would bind if I did not leave the screw that holds the capture pieces loose and not tightened down. View Quote That screw (just next to the preset button) is not meant to be tightened down all the way. It actually acts as an adjustment screw to affect the main leaver’s resistance. how bout rubber butt plate a la G36 View Quote Yes one is in the works which will screw into the base plate hardpoints. I am eagerly awaiting the big test off: Magpull MSS vs. Crane! View Quote As I stated on tactical forums, they are different beasts. The Crane Stock is without a doubt the best of the current CAR type offerings. The M93 is more of a “precision” Carbine Stock that is designed to be as happy shooting the Marine KD (Known Distance) course as it will doing CQB. That said it might require some to relearn certain actions which is where the Crane stock comes into it’s own- It offers improvement without relearning motor skills. don't have that big of an issue opening the stock to my preset, but closing can be tricky. View Quote When pulling the main leaver to release, I usually wrap my lower three fingers on the tail section to pull the stock closed. Those with small hands might not be able to do this a well as I can. Folks are right though. The retaining buttons are hard to work. Too small and stiff. View Quote I made these small on purpose (again like a Glock) as you only use these when removing the stock from the buffer tube. I didn’t want something an operator could activate and pull off by accident. We were pulling the stock off and on at the show with one hand after some practice. Let me think on this one. Cool Picture BTW New ARGuy Anyone have pics of the olive and tan stocks? View Quote Colors are easy to do but most don’t as it is a nightmare to manage the inventory Here are some samples Tan, Camo, and Dark OD Green. Camo was a one off which we are unable to duplicate consistently. [img]http://www.magpul.com/mss/msscolors.jpg[/img] The only thing I notice is you have to hold your head up and your cheek is not solidly squished into the stock like I prefer View Quote Yea I found this on also on "King of the Bumps" SIR system. The new Bi-line SIR might be the ticket though althought I really like the look of Knights URX? for freefloat simplicity on a single level. |
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The Bi-level SIR wont change how an ACOG mounts, but the RAS II would. And yeah, that URX looks awesome. I WILL have one when ever it becomes available. But man, "Knights" and "availability" are hard to say in the same sentence! [cuss]
Rich, Im glad you were able to score a M900 from Surefire and was happy to loan you mine for a couple days. They are great. Things about the stock are getting more and more simple for me as I use it. I think this has a lot to do with relearning motor skills like you mention. None of us have ever had something quite like this before and it does take a little getting used to. When you've done someting the same way a gazillion times, like opening and closing the retractable stock, and then you have to do it in a new way, it may seem hard or difficult. I dont really think it is hard or difficult, I just think it is different from what we're used to. And like I said earlier, it appears like these differences are necessary to achieve some of the advantages. There's no denying the MSS is WAY more rigid than any of the others. And it seems to me that having to lock it into place with that extra little push on the lever is at least one of several things that help make this so. If that is in fact the case, I will eagerly re-learn to press then push the lever instead of just pressing as I am so used to. |
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[wow] [hail2]
Rich if there is enough interest in getting the MSS in different colors think we could have a choice of a color at the production run? [:D] |
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I think it would be nearly impossible to depress both capture buttons to remove the stock by accident. It is one of the complaints along with the shim and raw hands after installing that is pretty much universal. Most all of us find it painfull to remove the stock. I dread having to do it to show friends.
Id pay for a metal preset stop in a heartbeat. Is the rubber buttplate going to be a rubber coated steel strike plate or will it be something else entirely? I am not for making the stock less aggresive in the base. It hurts less than my Bushmaster A2 stock. I also think this stock is WAY faster and easier to use than the old style collapsable stocks. I leave it closed and unlocked. Yank on the tail with my support hand while hold ing the pistol grip in the other hand to get it open to the preset. Flip the lever forward with the support hand and I am done. I close it by pulling the rifle into my chest with the butt plate on my pec and holding the pistol grip. I use my support hand to work the lever with two fingers, my index finger on the small lever and the middle finger on the rest of the latch. Adjusting to other presets is a bit more akward but thats mostly because the stock is tight/sticky. Going past the preset is a painful use of the thumb and middle finger pinching the presets and hoping they close enough (which they never do on the first try) to clear while using the middle finger to pull the main lever and pull the whole unit out. It usually take 2 to 3 attempts to get this to work and its always painful. Also like someone else said in the other thread I can't see it being done with gloves on. So the final unit will: Have proper shims Have flashing removed Be tumbled to remove shine/sharp edges Strike plate/rubber foot plate available Reinforced latch mechanism to handle pounding Be smoother/less sticky Lock and Unlock indicators work properly Tail unit made of same material as rest of unit Lighter tube Quick attachment of the tail unit Is that right? The only other things I could hope for are: Easier to use capture buttons Metal preset detent Main latch not touch your hand in P Zero If all that happens when the production unit is released I would have to say that this stock would be 100% perfect. I still wonder what P8 and P9 positions are for... |
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Probably to late to think about but is some place to stash some batteries completely out?
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Quoted: Well I am still awaiting UPS to deliver the stocks we got at SHOT [furious]. View Quote Hey Kevin, I already mounted and shoot mine !![nana] It's really outstanding , the rubber but plate'd be a good addiction , the rails do not hurt at all,neither the left one closer to the shooter's face , anyway it's always possible to cover them. Love all its features,I'm sure it'll be almost impossible to have a better stock. Rick, when you think 'll be possible to have the accessories , as the batteries containers , for the rails ?.....with the M900A ,M552 and PEQ2A mounted I really'd appreciate to have spare batteries carried on my M4 PP out |
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PP,
Well I arrived right to base some UPS driver was in the unit foyer - and asked my (conviently) Lt if he knew a Kevin B - so the LT picked up the parcel and brought it too me (he did not get lost either [;D]) so here are some pics... [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=8094[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=8098[/img] and some of the yoyo's :) [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=8101[/img] |
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Furthermore I have to add this is the most solid telestock ever.
You could not tell it was not a fixed stock. |
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PP,
Yes I am very glad - now I just need to track down the three that UPS has misplaced... Or have new-arguy report on any new shooter showing up with them in some Fla. shoots. A couple of our guys going to Dubia want to add them to their weapons... |
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I'm sure some one from our shoots works for UPS! Hahaha. If anyone does show up with them, he will have about 30 other very well armed shooters to answer to [;)]. Granted, none of them will have as nice a stock as he will (except me), but I'm pretty sure we'd get it back with out a struggle! Hahaha! Maybe if we find the stocks the guy who stole them will hold them for ransome. If he does, offer that Elcan in exchange!!!!
UPS lost that very rifle in my picture when I first bought it. It was missing for 5 days. That was 3 1/2 years ago. When I got it, it was in need of cleaning. To this day I swear someone from UPS took it out shooting, repacked it and then delivered. I'm vacaationing in Puerto Rico right now, and I miss my rifle. Especially with its new stock. [>(] |
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[green][b][i]Hey Rich,
I know I'm probably beating a dead horse[beathorse], but any more though on a variant for the AR10s? The original reason that you stated you couldn't make the stock was due to it's being built on a carbine platform. Apparently, there is a big push for a carbine version by both Knight and Armalite. It has been mentioned as a possible military contract, without mentioning the end user. The newest Armalite catalog is listing an [/green][red]M4 variant of the AR10[/red][jump].[green] There has also been information on a LEO collapsable stock coming down the pipe. So, if and when Armalite makes the carbine available, you'll have access to the carbine buffer assembly. Will you be able to manufacture a version for the AR10 at that time? I really want one of them there Tactical Shooting Stocks for my AR10T[headbang]. Thanks for your time and attention in this matter. [marines] Respectfully, Harry[/i][/b][/green] |
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THE KAC SR-25K USES A COLT 4-POSITION TUBE WITH OF COURSE A MONSTER SPRING AND BUFFER IN IT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT ANY COLLAPSABLE STOCK WILL MOUNT TO YOUR AR-10. COMING UP WITH THE RIGHT BUFFER/SPRING COMBO WILL BE THE CHALLENGE.
WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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The SR25k has two springs that work within each other. The hardest part is to get the springs and buffer.
AR-10 uses a standard buffer, don't they? I know the spring is stiffer. LS |
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Wes and Lord Stoner are correct. The MSS buffer will fit on an AR10 and SR25.
The trick is getting the right spring and buffer combo to have it function. Rest Assured - Larger companies than mine are working on this issue. |
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Quoted: I'm vacaationing in Puerto Rico right now, and I miss my rifle. Especially with its new stock. [>(] View Quote Alright guys...you think the AR is an addiction? Here's a guy on vacation that can't pull himself from AR15.com! I think these damn forums are more of an addiction than the rifles. The rifles just serve as something to take pictures of and show off when the opportunity presents itself. I'm not convinced that some of you even have jobs (new-arguy...kevinb) [:D] Drivie |
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Hey Everyone,
Thanks for the replies. I had planned on purchasing one for my Bushy Varminter, but when it went the way of the dodo, in exchange for the AR10T...I really wanted one! I'm glad to see it's still in the works. I never said patience is one of MY virtues [:D]...[spank] Just so I understand it, the spring is the issue? Could I buy the TSS, then a selection of springs from somebody like Wolff, or would I better better off just waiting for the Armalite stock, and buying thiers? [marines] Respectfully, Harry |
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Hey man, I actually have two jobs and work about 60+ hours a week. One of the reasons I am enjoying this vacaation so much... even without my guns! There's a TON of beautiful women around here though, it's almost enough to make me forget them for a minute. I dont think the 21st century has hit this islands gun industry yet. At least not that I have seen.
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Well...you shouldn't be in here, you should be out wooin' the women! Get out there and cop a feel for AR15.com!
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Neil,
Thanks have a good vacation- Stocks are still AWOL They apparently dissappeared in Orlando at the local UPS pickup office - I dropped them off at the Kinko's at ht econvnetion centre and UPS picked them up (two days later?). Worse yet the two that made it went to other guys (two of my buddies) ARGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I work - honest - I taught a cold weather operations class today, and played sports for the rest of the afternoon (we played a game that has been affectionately called MEGABALL - involving a 6' high ball and no real rules - surprisingly no one went to base hospital today - but it s the most intense cardio workout outside pool workouts) |
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Rich,
Regarding the cheek weld accessories: any chance that these might also have Li battery compartments, a la the Vltor ModStock? |
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KevinB and New-Arguy, I was just making light of the fact that you two seem to be on here so much and are involved in so many conversations it seems as if that's your job...hehe!
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I've had two range sessions with the new stock. I love it. The installation was a drag though. Spent an hour sanding the shims to fit. Needless to say I'm not sure I have any fingerprints left, Not necessarily a bad thing.
The balance of the weapon is definitely improved. Feel and cheek weld is outstanding. And I have to admit I had no trouble adjusting the locking lever, even with winter gloves on. I'm all for additions to the shim kit!!!! And we need the sling attachments ASAP. But over all I'm very pleased. Great job Rich. John |
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I must have been the only lucky one.. fit together like a dream. [:D]
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Yes. Its on the Colorado site where its always been. [lol] Let me know when to post the new pics! [url]http://groups.msn.com/ColoradoAR15ShootersSite/magpulmss.msnw[/url] View Quote Lancelot, Thanks, I forgot about that being on your site....Hopefully next Friday I'll be able to set down and do the review....I've spent my whole vacation getting up at 6am and working straight through until 9pm....But it looks like we are finally moved in for the most part...I've got to go out and bust through some shale today so I can put up a mail box...What fun... As soon as the review is done I'll send it your way and we go through the pics and add the best ones to the review...I have been so busy I still haven't been able to look through them yet.... Rich Fitz, How have things been going...Looks like you got back from the SHOT SHOW in one piece....Take care guys talk to both of you soon... |
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Ok we are making the final changes to the molds from the feedback we got from those testing the stock.
Thank you once again for all your feedback, it makes building stuff like this fun. For those waiting on the production version it will be very soon. But understand with current world events we have shipped out more Magpuls in the last two months than the previous 6 combined, so we are very very busy. In case you didn't notice from KevinB's photos here are two of the accessories I mentioned before. [img]http://www.magpul.com/mss/mssac.jpg[/img] Pinco Palla has two (yes 2) rails mounted on his. What for? Well I am waiting for photos too. In any case the production version will have a few new features included too, which I am keeping quiet on for now. Now for a question/survey what batteries and how many do you normally carry? |
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Quoted: Pinco Palla has two (yes 2) rails mounted on his. What for? Well I am waiting for photos too. Now for a question/survey what batteries and how many do you normally carry? View Quote Hi Rick, right, I have two rails mounted,the left side rail has a KAC QD sling attachment mounted on , the right side rail is there waiting for your batteries container. BTW,you remember you warned me at the SS about possible face hurting from the left side rail ? Well,that left side rail does not hurt my face at all , so it's OK there. Talking abt MSS accessories ,I'd like to have a container for 2 spare 123 for my M900A and 2 or 4 spare AA for my M552 & PEQ-2A . I'll try to post some pics of my MSS ASAP, Ciao PP out |
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Quoted: Ok we are making the final changes to the molds from the feedback we got from those testing the stock..... View Quote Rick, just to let you know my mates are going crazy "playing" with my M4 MSS outfitted , it'd be nice if you could let me know the price for a first shipment of 4 MSS , and a second possible shipment for 80/90 MSS , your stock R O C K S indeed ! PP out |
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Rick, one more photo from inside. The stock has been tested at around -30F. Big improvement form the factory tube. Especially when the eyes are watering from the cold and tears are hitting the stock and freezing at the same time.
[img]http://www3.telus.net/hansonk/109-0928_IMG.JPG[/img] Just wondering when the m203 ammo holder will be ready?? Brad |
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Rich, please be sure that the battery compartments hold no less than three 123a lithium batteries. Most lights people put on these rigs use 3 cell lights like the Surefire M900 or M96xx/M97xx series Surefire lights. All of these lights use three 123a lithium batteries. Making a carrier that held 4 batteries would be good, but more than 2 would be crucial. If you had a 4 cell carrier, maybe making a light weight dud battery for those people who only wanted to carry three?
You probably already thought of this, but... 123a lithiums are a little thicker than AA's. However, two AA's are nearly exactly the same length as three 123a lithium batteries. Maybe if you made a single tube that was wide enough and long enough for three 123a lithiums, you could make a thin insert people could slide into the tube making it the right diameter to hold two AA's for those who wanted AA's. This would ave you the trouble of having to make two seperate size containers. Just a couple ideas... Oh yeah, please make it water proof! Water and batteries dont mix. [;)] |
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Rich, since the battery compartments are the main feature of the latest stock design, would you consider to add those by using the mount rail on your MSS?
Do you still have any Experimental version left? |
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Any possibility that I can put this stock on a postban weapon legally???
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I think PP and new-arguy hit it right on, one double tube, one side for 3 123a's and the other for 2 AA's or even 4 as PP mentioned.
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Quoted: Rich, please be sure that the battery compartments hold no less than three 123a lithium batteries. Most lights people put on these rigs use 3 cell lights like the Surefire M900 or M96xx/M97xx series Surefire lights. All of these lights use three 123a lithium batteries. Making a carrier that held 4 batteries would be good, but more than 2 would be crucial. If you had a 4 cell carrier, maybe making a light weight dud battery for those people who only wanted to carry three? You probably already thought of this, but... 123a lithiums are a little thicker than AA's. However, two AA's are nearly exactly the same length as three 123a lithium batteries. Maybe if you made a single tube that was wide enough and long enough for three 123a lithiums, you could make a thin insert people could slide into the tube making it the right diameter to hold two AA's for those who wanted AA's. This would ave you the trouble of having to make two seperate size containers. Just a couple ideas... Oh yeah, please make it water proof! Water and batteries dont mix. [;)] View Quote I totally agree with the above, this would suit my needs. |
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Maybe better yet, make dual-function, triangular cheek-weld side attachments that can hold 3 Li batteries in an internal, H20-proof compartment (similar to the new Vltor stock concept).
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