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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 1:06:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: YuppieMike]
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The cerakote raw or over anno debate is interesting. For years I have wondered why factory Noveke Bazooka green guns look good, and then every gun done by a cerakoter looks like bight green pureed peas? This might be the answer - starting with a etched anno surface vs raw.
Does anyone have experience getting a gun done in Bazooka Green? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:31:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Netliquid]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YuppieMike: The cerakote raw or over anno debate is interesting. For years I have wondered why factory Noveke Bazooka green guns look good, and then every gun done by a cerakoter looks like bight green pureed peas? This might be the answer - starting with a etched anno surface vs raw. Does anyone have experience getting a gun done in Bazooka Green? Check out Deadlock where I got my Cerakote done. They did some Bazooka Green Cerakote for Grainger (@bobafettdunks) and it looks awesome. https://www.instagram.com/deadlock_coatings/ |
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USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:49:16 AM EDT
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Do they still make gen 3 upper receivers?
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: CAG and DG hush hush can is SiCo. It’s K size, reduced back pressure, and quiet as a full size can. It’s also FDE  not really hush hush then is it if youre blabbing on arfcom about it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmt-ar: Do they still make gen 3 upper receivers? Yes, but they're being allocated for complete uppers and full guns. That's the last I heard anyway when I spoke to them on the phone a couple months ago. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherokeefan03: not really hush hush then is it if youre blabbing on arfcom about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherokeefan03: not really hush hush then is it if youre blabbing on arfcom about it. I can't speak on Cag usage, but pretty sure DA shot down that claim as well, way earlier in the thread. Check pg11 and 12. Originally Posted By Mageever: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Probably because a new coughSiCocough can got the contract 🤷🏻♂️ I can confirm this is false. No reason to spread rumors here dude.  |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: I can't speak on Cag usage, but pretty sure DA shot down that claim as well, way earlier in the thread. Check pg11 and 12. https://i.imgur.com/ZjeZ5S2.jpg Lol okay. I have friends I served in the Marines with that work at both KGM who makes all of DA cans, DA, and SiCo. We’ll just wait till pics show up in the wild. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:03:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cherokeefan03]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Lol okay. I have friends I served in the Marines with that work at both KGM who makes all of DA cans, DA, and SiCo. We’ll just wait till pics show up in the wild. Maybe you should not throw your friends under the bus should someone with actual power at any of those companies try to figure out who leaked information about SMU contracts. But what do I know? Besides how to keep a secret that is. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:06:07 PM EDT
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Why we swinging purses?!
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:43:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherokeefan03: Maybe you should not throw your friends under the bus should someone with actual power at any of those companies try to figure out who leaked information about SMU contracts. But what do I know? Besides how to keep a secret that is. Why are you so butt hurt? Have I leaked any pics or friends’ name lol?? |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:06:33 PM EDT
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Can we go back to talking about paint again or something?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Can we go back to talking about paint again or something? Only if we compare ratios at the same time. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:58:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Can we go back to talking about paint again or something? Have we compared the brass deflector on a 5.56 to 300BLK? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2022 9:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Why are you so butt hurt? Have I leaked any pics or friends’ name lol?? Lol just trying to give some friendly advice. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Have we compared the brass deflector on a 5.56 to 300BLK? |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 2:11:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WTFShane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Yes we have. 2keylows has plenty of rounds through both of his. I did a quick scroll through the past few pages and didn't see pics of 5.56 uppers. I'll look again. I was going to comment about one of my Cerakoted 5.56 uppers, but it's mid-length, with A5 buffer system and I shoot unsuppressed. |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 9:26:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Lol okay. I have friends I served in the Marines with that work at both KGM who makes all of DA cans, DA, and SiCo. We’ll just wait till pics show up in the wild. Being that this clone is still relatively new, I'm more inclined to go by his insight and what limited pics that have surfaced. But you're right, We'll just have to wait for more Itw pics to know for certain. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 4:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: The account that originally quoted you is one of the founders of DA. Being that this clone is still relatively new, I'm more inclined to go by his insight and what limited pics that have surfaced. But you're right, We'll just have to wait for more Itw pics to know for certain. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/27/2022 2:44:55 PM EDT
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Legit 5.56 and 300blk marked port doors on the noveske site now
https://noveske.com/products/noveske-engraved-mil-spec-port-doors/ |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 9:56:38 AM EDT
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Day 415 since mailed form 4 for the can. Should I call the ATF?
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Posted: 6/30/2022 10:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: Day 415 since mailed form 4 for the can. Should I call the ATF? My Wolfman took almost 400 days. Longest I ever waited for a Form 4 approval. Probably wouldn't hurt to call, but my wait was similar. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 12:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: My Wolfman took almost 400 days. Longest I ever waited for a Form 4 approval. Probably wouldn't hurt to call, but my wait was similar. Just called. Found out it went into pending 06/28/2021. SO I guess technically i'm at 367 days. FML. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 12:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: Just called. Found out it went into pending 06/28/2021. SO I guess technically i'm at 367 days. FML. Yea…you still have a long way to go. 
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Posted: 6/30/2022 5:10:56 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 5:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Top: classified defense bottom: Noveske https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/0CBAD9F7-A517-416F-AEDC-BFECCADF511D_jpe-2436807.JPG That case deflector....... 
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Posted: 6/30/2022 7:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: That case deflector.......  Don't forget the Magwell fencing
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Posted: 6/30/2022 9:22:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Noveske has LW 5.56 barrels in stock
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Posted: 6/30/2022 10:58:48 PM EDT
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Hit 365 today 🤦🏾♂️
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 11:21:05 PM EDT
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Emailed noveske on cerakoting. They told me they do leave a light anodizing on prior to coating. I also spoke with a recommended coater(by noveske reps) noveske used for the wrm fzy collaboration rifles they did, which they didnt have any anodizing when noveske sent them the guns to cerakote. Apparently those guns are holding up well though. The recommended Cerakoter (sp?) told me they couldn’t reanodize and coat like noveske but they could be bead blast to leave a light Cerakote and then apply another layer leaving two layers of protection so they when it wears, there’s FDE underneath and not silver.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2022 11:53:39 PM EDT
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FYI Lightweight 556 barrels up on Noveske.com - go go go https://noveske.com/products/lightweight-barrel-5-56/?attribute_barrel-length=10.5%22%20Shorty&attribute_headspaced-bolt=NO
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2022 12:39:03 AM EDT
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All the talk about cerakote over amo made me want to add my 2 cents. 7075 and 6061 without type 3 hardcoat is a completely different animal than with the ano. The abrasion resistance, surface hardness and corrosion resistance of type 3 hardcoat ano alum makes it suitable for use in military small arms. without that ceramic skin the aluminum will almost certainly experience premature wear from regular use.
If I had anything to do with procurement where guns had to stand up to hard use I would insist any coating be applied over anodize. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coolmoney: All the talk about cerakote over amo made me want to add my 2 cents. 7075 and 6061 without type 3 hardcoat is a completely different animal than with the ano. The abrasion resistance, surface hardness and corrosion resistance of type 3 hardcoat ano alum makes it suitable for use in military small arms. without that ceramic skin the aluminum will almost certainly experience premature wear from regular use. If I had anything to do with procurement where guns had to stand up to hard use I would insist any coating be applied over anodize. yep. Now it's a matter of how to correct the cerakote job. Can our rifles be anodized again and cerakoted in this manner? or is a double layer of cerakote, as offered by Noveske's cerakoter, be our only option since the anodizing has been blasted off. |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 1:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: I bought a Pelican Vault V700 to create a “deployment case” for for this setup. Still just need that bloody suppressor! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/C8FDCF2C-31E6-4586-BF8F-B330CE2AFF44_jpe-2405739.JPG If anyone is interested in a case like this it’s on sale for $130 shipped today or $125 from the warehouse. Normally $170.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 3:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: If anyone is interested in a case like this it’s on sale for $130 shipped today or $125 from the warehouse. Normally $170. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/97D746BE-0D53-4A89-B916-B8B4FEF9C50D_jpe-2437684.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/8FCCFB63-04C8-4977-964E-2B47C5CC5769_jpe-2437685.JPG www.amazon.com/dp/B00745TV18 Is this clone correct? |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 4:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Is this clone correct? There's not one as far as I know. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2022 10:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YuppieMike: FYI Lightweight 556 barrels up on Noveske.com - go go go https://noveske.com/products/lightweight-barrel-5-56/?attribute_barrel-length=10.5%22%20Shorty&attribute_headspaced-bolt=NO |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 6:14:58 PM EDT
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Anyone have a Gen 3 upper laying around?
Or any leads on one? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2022 2:31:20 PM EDT
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ISO GEN 1 lowers if anyone has leads.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 8:22:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Anyone have a Gen 3 upper laying around? Or any leads on one? Stuck in the same boat. Sitting on a Gen3 upper that doesn't have Noveske written on the left hand side, but its not "clone correct" I may just pull the trigger and have it coated and be done with it |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2022 8:36:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: zinny103090]
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Cavete emptor guys. Snagged a Gen3 upper on the FB Noveske Trader group late last week, "lnib" for a couple hundred under msrp. Was stoked until it arrived today. Not even sure how you can do this while installing the barrel nut. The marring was covered up with what looks like wax/paint pen. Seller did take a pic of the area (last pic) But with the marring obscued and me "blinded" with finding a great deal; I didnt catch it. All in all though, the condition of the upper is as described, except for the blemish so I cant say I was completely faqued.
   With that, any body know any refinishers who would be able to buff this out? |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:00:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zinny103090: Cavete emptor guys. Snagged a Gen3 upper on the FB Noveske Trader group late last week, "lnib" for a couple hundred under msrp. Was stoked until it arrived today. Not even sure how you can do this while installing the barrel nut. The marring was covered up with what looks like wax/paint pen. Seller did take a pic of the area (last pic) But with the marring obscued and me "blinded" with finding a great deal; I didnt catch it. All in all though, the condition of the upper is as described, except for the blemish so I cant say I was completely faqued. https://i.imgur.com/X3xRxLoh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SZk7P5lh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rJQkG2uh.jpg With that, any body know any refinishers who would be able to buff this out? It’s hard for me to tell from the pics - is there damage to the metal or just the finish? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:06:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: zinny103090]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: It’s hard for me to tell from the pics - is there damage to the metal or just the finish? It about 1-1.5mm deep on the bottom portion. It was enough force that the edges of the marring is raised up. Guess it was a home build as the rail is prestine. 
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:57:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zinny103090: It about 1-1.5mm deep on the bottom portion. It was enough force that the edges of the marring is raised up. Guess it was a home build as the rail is prestine. https://i.imgur.com/qevsGNDh.jpg Put some Birchwood Aluma black on it and it'll be far less noticeable. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 10:03:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: x_red_beard_x]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zinny103090: It about 1-1.5mm deep on the bottom portion. It was enough force that the edges of the marring is raised up. Guess it was a home build as the rail is prestine. https://i.imgur.com/qevsGNDh.jpg The expensive fix: Find an excellent aluminum welder. Have him sandblast it to raw aluminum, build up the area with some weld. Sand it down flush with the sides. Take your time. Send it out to be sandblasted again and Cerakoted (anodizing over the weld will not look right). This solution will likely cost more than a new stripped upper. The cheap fix: Just hit it with some sandpaper on a block. Knock the protrusions down. Send it to someone to have it coated or rattle can it. This is the Way. If it really bothers you for a safe queen build: Sell the stripped upper and buy a new one. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2022 10:23:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Omega9000]
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I'm starting to think this clone is made out of Styrofoam. From the cerakote to the rifles themselves. Dev is going to demolish these guns lol
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:06:45 PM EDT
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365 days today
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: I'm starting to think this clone is made out of Styrofoam. From the cerakote to the rifles themselves. Dev is going to demolish these guns lol I'm not sure I understand. Do you have reason to believe that these guns are not performing well or are you just concerned about the finish? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2022 3:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x_red_beard_x: I'm not sure I understand. Do you have reason to believe that these guns are not performing well or are you just concerned about the finish? From all the clone threads I've seen over the years, this is the only one where the finish (tano color difference not included) appears to be an issue. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 3:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: From all the clone threads I've seen over the years, this is the only one where the finish (tano color difference not included) appears to be an issue. Try reading about the M45A1. I doubt the DEVGRU guys really care about the finish. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 3:37:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x_red_beard_x: Try reading about the M45A1. I doubt the DEVGRU guys really care about the finish.
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